Jerusalem Launches Debate on Sharing Holiest Site (Reuters)

[nonymouse]

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNew ... U220090618

[BeTheMoon]

Incredible find, Nony! The sharing arrangement concocted by the global community's inter-faith movement. Check out the picture on this website: http://www.godsholymountain.org/English/index.aspx (referenced in the article).

[SueAnn]

It is a normal future day on the Temple Mount (الحرم الشريف) in Jerusalem. Jews, Muslims and Christians, entering through the Gate of Mercy, are waiting for services to begin, respectively, at the Temple, at the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque, and at the Church of the Holy Sepulcher. Friends of all three religions and from around the world greet each other, and some gather around an informal group of musicians from the three faiths who are playing together. The Temple Mount has shed the remnants of destruction and conflict left by the Roman Empire and is once again is a joyous place, in which all worship in their respective holy buildings, but bearing witness to the same One God, creator of all.

[joymart]

[Abiding in His Word]

In Ezekiel's prophecy (47:1-12) a stream of water is mentioned, which will flow from the threshold of the Temple as a small spring but soon becomes miraculously a great river that reaches the Dead Sea and gives life to it. This future stream is also mentioned in the Mishnah (Midot 2:6) that enumerates the gates in the first court of the Temple and mentions among them the "Gate of Water." Rabbi Eliezer Ben Ya'acov adds there that "from it the water in future will gurgle and flow underneath the threshold of the Temple."

In the painting, the stream allows ambiguity concerning the location of the Temple. The Temple could be standing on the original area of the Temple Mount, or else could be located on an extension to the mount, perhaps on manmade earthworks or as a consequence of a miraculous earthquake, depicted also in prophecy (Zechariah 14:4). It should be noted that according to various Jewish sources (e.g. Ezekiel 40-43, Talmud Baba Batra 75b) the Temple Mount area will be expanded by 36 times, in order to include all the nations there (see the Malbim's commentary on Ezekiel 42:20). In the Talmud, halachic methods to sanctify extensions to the Temple's holy area, are discussed.

godsholymountain

[Salty Skipper]

We are getting so, so close!!!!!!!

[joymart]

Yes Salty
Very very close! The tree is sending forth blooms...

[BeTheMoon]

The picture is pretty interesting. In all reditions of the Temple grounds I've seen, it was much larger. It's almost as if the picture depicts a "remeasuring" of the area.

[Spreading Salt]

Wow! Just wow! My eyes are getting tired every day from this , but I just can't help it!

[1whowaits]

While the Jews might share the temple mount, and apparently they will according to Rev 11 and the outer court being trampled, the muslims would never willingly allow a Hebrew temple anywhere on the mount they claim as a holy site. As according to Rev 11 a Hebrew temple will be rebuilt, I wonder what will change the minds of the muslims?

[OneDay]

I wonder what will change the minds of the muslims?

Yes, what will change the minds of the muslims? Perhaps loosing a war? or a promise from the ac?

[BeTheMoon]

... the muslims would never willingly allow a Hebrew temple anywhere on the mount they claim as a holy site.

True. I think there will be a period of time where the moderates of various religions will take center stage in the name of inter-faith and ecumenism. We already see it happening as the masses see fundamentalism as a huge problem in a global community.

I'm in the camp that thinks immediately following the AoD will be the slaughter of Jews in the settlement areas (Palestine), and that will be the starting point of the ACs wrath (the last 3.5 years). Maybe the AoD is a "signal" to radical elements (I don't know, I'm just thinking out loud).

[habag]

BetheMoon,

Actually the Dome does not stand over the site of the temples. The true site is North, near the well of souls, and facing the Eastern Gate. So the Dome will be as Rev 11 says, trodden down by the Gentiles, being outside the temple separation wall. So the site will be shared.

habag

[OneDay]

You are right habag! Welcome to the board!

[BeTheMoon]

i think it was triton who posted a map of the dome and temple grounds. ill see if i can find it.

[Abiding in His Word]

These diagrams may be of help.

Where did the Temple stand?
Among the numerous controversies about the Temple is the precise location of the original. There are three primary conjectures under active discussion in recent years. These three areas of interest on the Temple Mount have been the focus of intense investigation, much debate and discussion, and growing controversy. Behind many of these discussions lie serious plans by a number of Orthodox Jewish groups for the building of a Third Jewish Temple on the site when political conditions will permit this.

The primary areas on the Temple Mount which are seriously discussed in regard to the actual location of the First and Second Jewish Temples are:

1. The present site of the Dome of the Rock. This is the so-called "traditional location." There are two variations on this model.
2. North of the Dome of the Rock. Physicist Asher Kaufman proposed the Northern location about two decades ago.
3. South of the Dome of the Rock. Tuvia Sagiv, a Tel Aviv architect, has proposed a Southern location for the Temples with extensive documentation and research during the past five years.

Which Conjecture is Correct?

In Israel it is often said that if you have two Jews you will have three opinions! Only time will tell which of the above views is correct. These conjectures will continue to be debated until Israel is able to conduct a thorough archaeological investigation beneath the Temple Mount itself. (3)

[1whowaits]

Holy Now, i believe that only a war which defeats the Islamic armies utterly will allow a Hebrew temple to be built on the temple mount, such as described at Gog-Magog. An as all the nations will know that God intervened on behalf of Israel after Gog, they will see that God favors Israel, and the temple mount should become very popular, the nations will likely stream to it. To men it might seem natural to build several places of worship in the outer court of the rebuilt temple, they may see the temple mount as a place to access God, and someone will take advantage of that.

[Tevye]

I just had an interesting thought. fwiw

What if, a future Jewish temple, in relation to this prophecy...

...until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed,
the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself
over everything that is called God or is worshiped,

so that
he sets himself up in God's temple,
proclaiming himself to be God.

...is not completely finished in it's construction
prior to the abomination that causes the desolation of Jerusalem?

Where Antichrist would be observing
the building of a Jewish temple and then in the midst of it's construction
with a war, he moves to abort the construction of that Jewish temple
in order to win favor with those of the Islamic faith
who would be motivated to join him in battle against Israel.

His actions thwarting Israel's efforts
to worship their God in a Jewish temple.
A temple built as they believe for the one true God.

After destroying the Jewish temple
and taking control of Jerusalem
he thus stands in the ruins of it
raises his fist and proclaims
that there is no other god than him.

As a result of conquering Jerusalem he believes
that he has become the victor over Jews and Christians
by defeating their act of faith, the rebuilding of a Jewish temple.
(As many Jews and Christians believe that a Jewish temple
must be rebuilt before antichrist is revealed)
He may even destroy what's left on the temple mount,
what left that's not Jewish, and possibly even destroy the walls of the mount itself.
Completely fulfilling the prophecy of Yeshua concerning the stones
of the temple mount, the ones that are one upon another in Matthew 24.
As we still have some stones there in that condition in Jerusalem today, not completely thrown down as Jesus said:

Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings.
"Do you see all these things?" he asked.
"I tell you the truth, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down."

Jesus was emphasising "all" and "every one"of these things,
I believe He was including the stones of the temple walls.
I believe He did and said "all" and "every one"of those things that they were observing there in Matthew 24
because He knew of the coming AD 70 event of destruction, He knew of Israel returning as a nation
and He knew of their future conflicts with Islam and a conflict with Islam over the use of the temple mount.
He knew there would be the majority of the temple stones destroyed in AD 70,
and that there would be the stones for the wall of the temple mount
that would survive the AD 70 temple destruction by Rome.
Therefore He said concerning His return to us here that it would (only) be preceeded by
the complete destruction of "all" and "every one" of the temple stones and the temple mount wall stones
very large and ornate stones that He and His disciples were looking at, on that day of the olviette discourse.
He gave us here in the far future a true sign to look for, to know who would be the real and dangerous antichrist
who would persecute Jews and Christians at that future time of Great Tribulation prior to His coming back
so that we would be prepared for its coming and our need to react to antichrist's actions against us,
and to remember to be joyful and prepared for the coming of our Lord Yeshua.

Antichrist will believe that he is god,
and will refuse to share the worship from those of the Jewish, Christian
and ultimately even of the Islamic faiths.
Opening the door to his destiny, and establishing the final beast empire
he will implement the manditory global use for all people of the world
the mark of the beast.
When no one will be able to buy or sell anything unless they have it
(imprinted visibly) on their right hand or on their forehead
proclaiming their allegiance to his new world (global) empire.

He will then go after and persecute the fleeing Jews,
and then persue to conquer the ones grafted into Israel, Christians.
Christians who will be here and not yet be rescued by the rapture,
he will persue the true believers in Yeshua who will refuse
to accept the mark of the beast/Antichrist.

It seems logical that there will be a move to build a Jewish temple
and that biblical prophecy is clear, those in opposition to the true and living God
have it set on their hearts to form an alliance against Him.
I believe that they will in deception allow the Jews to only go so far in it's construction
just enough to lead their people to the final destruction of Israel.

May the one true God of all mercy, grant us His mercy and grace.

[Resurrection Torchlight]

I have been waiting to hear from the media concerning this idea


See UN resolution 303
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_303

here is an article that talks about the ramifications from the Cutting Edge- I don't necessarily agree with everything said here, but it gives some idea as to where this may all lead. (Mods- if this is a violation of the rules- please remove link:)
http://www.his-forever.com/international_control_over_religious_jerusalam.htm

Like I said- I've been expecting this idea to come out in the media, it's only a matter of time.

RT