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1whowaits wrote:Walrus, OK i will try again as it appears that you are not thinking this through and you are inserting your own assumptions. No one has sated that the Jews must rebuild the temple to come to Christ, that is your own assumption. The Jews come to Christ through faith like everyone else, the temple is not necessary for this.
And yet the scripture does describe a literal temple during the millenium and during the 70th week, that is what the scripture indicates repeatedly.
The scripture describes sacrifices during the millenium and during the 70th week.
The scripture describes celebration of the feast of Tabernacles during the millenium and the choosing of Levites, the priests of the temple.
Obviously it is not for salvation or the forgiveness of sins, no one needs a temple or sacrifices to accept Christ, so there appears to be some other reason.
And this type of worship is not contrary to scripture, in fact this is the way in which the Father wished to be worshipped by the Jewish people in the OT, the One that is the same today as He was yesterday.
If the Jews rebuilt the temple today and worshipped Jesus in the temple, would that be contrary to scripture?
So if the Jews decided tomorrow they wanted to rebuild the temple to worship God, the rebuilding of the temple itself is not contrary to scripture.
In fact, as Jesus rebuilds the temple and is worshipped in it during the millenium, as God provides a detailed plan for the temple in Ezek, the rebuilding of a temple to worship God appears desirable and is sanctioned by God.
Scripture indicates that the Jewish people will rebuild a temple during the 70th week, as Rev 11 describes, so that will happen.
1whowaits wrote: I see the walls of the temple are several hundred cubits, man, those are some mighty big saints. And water flows from the temple, does that indicate that the saints have a bladder problem?
1whowaits wrote:Walrus, we could not be farther apart in our understanding of scripture.
Pretzelogical wrote:(It seems, Walrus, Mrs. B. and I are not willing to ignore the interpretation given to Daniel.)
I have one too..' Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you? 1 Cor 3:16.
Christians are God's temple symbolically and literally, God's Spirit literally lives in us. But note there are no dimensions on this temple of the Holy Spirit, there are no priests in this temple, no worshippers in this temple, no outer court to this temple, no court given to the gentiles in this temple, no cubits in this temple (at least not 500 cubits or 800 ft.), no water flowing out of this temple (hopefully), nothing like the literal temple of Ezek and Rev that does have these things.
there are no dimensions on this temple of the Holy Spirit,
there are no priests in this temple,
no worshippers in this temple
no outer court to this temple, no court given to the gentiles in this temple
no cubits in this temple (at least not 500 cubits or 800 ft.)
no water flowing out of this temple (hopefully), nothing like the literal temple of Ezek and Rev that does have these things.
I have repeatedly provided a cohesive number of scriptures to support a spiritual temple. You have yet to refute a one of them.
Yes, there are specific measurements given for good reason. They denote perfection, justice, government, division of believers, and non-believers, etc.
If you had a child, that needed to die for all your children, and did so, so they can be saved, would you allow another child to try to replace that child's salvation with something other than the blood of your dead child?
This is common Christian sense people.
IamtheWalrus wrote:Everything has a literal application to it, but that never denotes the spiritual or symbolic attributes of any scripture. What people have failed to interpret here is that this temple, although literal in its explanation, was replaced, for lack of a better word, from the OT to NT with Christ and His church.
Features Unique to Ezekiel's Temple
No wall of partition to exclude Gentiles (compare Ephesians 2:14) The Gentiles were previously welcome in the Outer Courts, but excluded from the inner courts on pain of death.
No Court of Women (compare Galatians 3:28 (Outer Court and Inner Court only)
No Laver (see Ezekiel 36:24-27, John 15:3)
No Table of Shewbread (see Micah 5:4, John 6:35)
No Lampstand or Menorah (see Isaiah 49:6, John 8:12)
No Golden Altar of Incense (Zechariah 8:20-23, John 14:6)
No Veil (Isaiah 25:6-8, Matthew 27:51)
No Ark of the Covenant (Jeremiah 3:16, John 10:30-33)
Major Changes to the Altar: The sacrificial Altar will be approached by a ramp from the East. Previous altars were all approached from the South. Now there will be stairs to the altar, not a ramp as previously. The top of the altar is now described by the Hebrew word "ariel" [Isaiah 29:1] meaning "hearth of God" or "lion of God." [Rev. 5:5]. (Ref. 3)
If the previous temples, as well as the Tabernacle of Moses, are pictures for us of man as the dwelling place of God, then Ezekiel's temple may be intended to teach us about the marvelously new resurrection bodies waiting for every believer when he leaves this present life (2 Corinthians 5:1-5).
If the previous temples, as well as the Tabernacle of Moses, are pictures for us of man as the dwelling place of God.....
What people have failed to interpret here is that this temple, although literal in its explanation, was replaced, for lack of a better word, from the OT to NT with Christ and His church.
kazbo wrote:I suppose this will sound simplistic, but why would God spend 8 chapters describing a temple in exquisite detail that he knew would be replaced by the church? Why not just sum it all up in "a glorious temple"? What possible point would there be to provide all the detail if he knew the temple would never be built?
Abiding in His Word wrote:
What spiritual, symbolic atttributes could we use to define the many architectural aspects of the temple in Ezekiel's description. Are door posts, windows, porches, pillars, etc. to be interpreted symbolically of a believer's body?
Abiding in His Word wrote:kazbo wrote:I suppose this will sound simplistic, but why would God spend 8 chapters describing a temple in exquisite detail that he knew would be replaced by the church? Why not just sum it all up in "a glorious temple"? What possible point would there be to provide all the detail if he knew the temple would never be built?
Kazbo, why did you wait until 141 posts to bring in this completely logical, common sense question? I think your "simplistic" question has hit the nail on the head imho.
What is so complex about it? Why wouldn't God be so simple to us, yet the Jews completely missed it? Why are peple missing this here? Everything and anything that regarded the temple, sancturary, etc etc in the OT was fulfilled in Christ and His church. What is so difficult about this?
why would God spend 8 chapters describing a temple in exquisite detail that he knew would be replaced by the church? Why not just sum it all up in "a glorious temple"? What possible point would there be to provide all the detail if he knew the temple would never be built?
It is ok that you don't agree with me, but do you agree with scripture?..this is infallible. Christ repeatedly told us that we were the Temple...He is God, and He calls the shots, and if Christ is God, then God died for us, replacing the structural temple with Himself and His church. This is hard to argue with.
a monotheistic, non-trinitarian god who does not exist
I thought the Jews worshipped the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob? Isn’t that the same God we know?
Walrus wrote: so does Islam. The difference is Jesus.
It is ok that you don't agree with me, but do you agree with scripture?..this is infallible.
Christ repeatedly told us that we were the Temple...
Once you get hardened like a rock, unwilling to budge from your position based on the premise of "I am right" satements, it is hard for anything to penetrate it.
I never say I am right, I say "this is what the scripture says", an entirely different stance.
people that are willing to gaze upon the face of God, than people who already think they know what He looks like.
They wrote about what they knew, about the things they understood.
And another thing, how do you have a tone on a message board?
Are we reading the same Bible?
Yes we are. Are you understanding it? It appears not so from that question.
Permit me to sling a marshmallow at you for that one.
Guess I should've said ouch first, so sorry, but you slung first. I was just defending myself.
Why ask a question such as what you asked...did you think you would have not gotten a response from me?
If you thought that my asking that question was an attempt to attack you, I am most sorry. The idea never crossed my mind. I was just honestly flabbergasted, and expressed it - innocently, I thought. My bad.
the sooner all of you understand this, the easier it will be to understand.
It seems you spend more time trying to disprove it with lack of evidence to support the theory, than you or anyone else for that matter do so in attempting to understand it.
your view upon this scripture will continue to be disillusioned
Is that enough for you? Open your heart and mind.
I think it is you who doesn't understand the reason why those laws were set in the first place.
I provided you the words of Jesus Christ regarding the need for a temple...That doesn't appear to be enough for you
That is an assumption and an interpretation of misguided hermeneutics.
This is common Christian sense people.
Excerpts from Lamentations 2
How the Lord has covered the daughter of Zion
With a cloud in His anger!
He has cast from heaven to earth
The glory of Israel,
And has not remembered His footstool
In the day of His anger.
And He has violently treated His tabernacle like a garden booth;
He has destroyed His appointed meeting place
The LORD has caused to be forgotten
The appointed feast and sabbath in Zion,
And He has despised king and priest
In the indignation of His anger.
The Lord has rejected His altar,
He has abandoned His sanctuary;
He has delivered into the hand of the enemy
The walls of her palaces
The LORD determined to destroy
The wall of the daughter of Zion.
He has stretched out a line,
He has not restrained His hand from destroying,
And He has caused rampart and wall to lament;
They have languished together.
Her gates have sunk into the ground,
He has destroyed and broken her bars
My spirit is greatly troubled;
My heart is poured out on the earth
Because of the destruction of the daughter of my people,
He has thrown down without sparing,
And He has caused the enemy to rejoice over you;
"O wall of the daughter of Zion,
Let your tears run down like a river day and night;
Give yourself no relief,
Let your eyes have no rest.
"Arise, cry aloud in the night
At the beginning of the night watches;
Pour out your heart like water
Before the presence of the Lord;
Lift up your hands to Him
For the life of your little ones
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