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1whowaits wrote:That is interesting Nony, Venus is believed to represent Jesus, the bright and morning star, Mars can represent the angel Michael or war, and the moon, the one who rules the night, can be associated with Satan.
The alignment on the star site pictures the moon and Venus on opposite sides of the fish (Israel), they oppose each other, while Mars, possibly war, is directly over the fish (Israel).
Perhaps the battle between Satan and the Lord will heat up and involve events, possibly war, in Israel around the 21st of May or sometime afterward (this may be a sign of things to come- war involving Israel does appear likely in the near future).
1whowaits wrote:Nony, where did the link go? hey, i was only speculatiing, 5/21 may have no significance at all, but it is interesting.
The link Nony posted showed that on 5/21 the moon, Mars and Venus would appear to be in a triangular formation over the constellation Piceses, the fish. It is believed that Piceses is associated with Israel and a celestial sign in this constellation could point to an event in Israel. Venus and the moon on opposite sides could picture the battle between Christ and Satan, involving Israel. Mars could be associated with war or the angel Michael, who may defend Israel.
This type of sign could point to the events on earth in reality being part of the war in heaven.
It may be conincidence but this sign on this date, the anniversary of the ascension, the events concerning the temple cornerstone, the gentile nations basically getting ready to force Israel to accept a 2 state solution, is quite interesting.
The fact that they are working towards the rebuilding of the Temple to me also shows just how far their hearts are from God. They have abandoned God.
kazbo wrote:The fact that they are working towards the rebuilding of the Temple to me also shows just how far their hearts are from God. They have abandoned God.
I don't see it that way at all. By building a temple, by even wanting a temple, they are expressing, in the only way they know, their desire for God and his presence with them.
kazbo wrote:I don't see it that way at all. By building a temple, by even wanting a temple, they are expressing, in the only way they know, their desire for God and his presence with them.
1whowaits wrote:The rebuilding of the Temple is not part of a false religion, but the rejection of the blood of Jesus as atonement for sin is. I think it would be unwise to 'spit' on something Jesus Himself will be rebuilding and likely be worshipped in during the millenium.
OBXBob wrote:Do you believe that the Jewish people's rejection of Jesus has in any way changed the unfulfilled promises that God has made to them?
WallDoctor wrote: There are no promises left for unrepentant Israel. They will all die and go to Hell.
Romans 10 & 11:
Brothers, my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness. Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. Moses describes in this way the righteousness that is by the law: "The man who does these things will live by them." But the righteousness that is by faith says: "Do not say in your heart, 'Who will ascend into heaven?'" (that is, to bring Christ down) "or 'Who will descend into the deep?" (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). But what does it say? "The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart," that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame." For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!"
But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our message?" Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ. But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did:
"Their voice has gone out into all the earth,
their words to the ends of the world." Again I ask: Did Israel not understand? First, Moses says,
"I will make you envious by those who are not a nation;
I will make you angry by a nation that has no understanding." And Isaiah boldly says,
"I was found by those who did not seek me;
I revealed myself to those who did not ask for me." But concerning Israel he says,
"All day long I have held out my hands
to a disobedient and obstinate people."
I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don't you know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah—how he appealed to God against Israel: "Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me"? And what was God's answer to him? "I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal." So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.
What then? What Israel sought so earnestly it did not obtain, but the elect did. The others were hardened, as it is written:
"God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes so that they could not see
and ears so that they could not hear,
to this very day." And David says:
"May their table become a snare and a trap,
a stumbling block and a retribution for them.
May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see,
and their backs be bent forever."
Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their fullness bring!
I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I make much of my ministry in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.
If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, do not boast over those branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in." Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!
I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
"The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
And this is my covenant with them
when I take away their sins."
As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, for God's gifts and his call are irrevocable. Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God's mercy to you. For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
a monotheistic, non-trinitarian god who does not exist
kazbo wrote:a monotheistic, non-trinitarian god who does not exist
I thought the Jews worshipped the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob? Isn’t that the same God we know?
kazbo wrote:Considering the riches of salvation that have come to us as a result of the Jew's disobedience, and the fact that Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in, perhaps you could speak of them without such scorn? You have received mercy as a result of their disobedience.
1whowaits wrote:It does appear that the Jewish people can repent to God the Father and be restored to their land and be blessed by God based on the covenant with Abraham. This covenant with Abraham does not include the cleansing of sin or the obtaining of eternal life, which can only be obtained through faith in Jesus Christ, which would be the New Covenant.
1whowaits wrote:Actually, God's covenant with Abraham, Issac and Jacob is still in effect with Israel,
Very little has to do with His second coming
IamtheWalrus wrote:The only way the Jews are going to get saved is accept Christ as their saviour. That is the message to the remnant Jews. This is the message they must adhere. Building a temple won't bring them any closer to Jesus.
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