We are thinking we are close to the return of our Lord...

[Mrs. B]

Well Bob....if this be the case.....
then......the Gog and Magog war would have to happen so the Mosk can be destroyed? that means 7 years of cleansing the land and 7 months of burying the dead....

so the Jews can rebuild the temple....?

and the a/c can take control..?

I'm just thinking out loud.......

then....Jesus said.....when you see the Aob stand where it ought not.... head for the Mountains....then shall be great Tribulation....

Your see....I've been to the Mosk....even down in the bottom.....and it is something to see......under it is a large Rock.....very large....

One of the things I have been watching.....
and considering is
When Sharon went to the Temple Mount.....This triggered the bombing and killings....Sept. 28.2000

Jesus said....when you see the Abomination that maketh Desolate...spoken of by Daniel......stand where it ought not.....let him understand....

The word Abomination.....can be a bad omen......or excessive anger..or excessive hate.......that maketh Desolate.....
Desolate....un in habited......desolate

this started the Hate to a very excessive hate or anger......
the next year 2001.....we had 9/11
and since that time.....Wicked Weather ....Earth quakes....Waves...the sea boiling over.....Melt down....fires....Tornados.....floods.....sickness and rare deases......bombings and killings......we have stired up the Medies.....War and Rumors of war....

This is something that I've been think about......Jesus said Rumors of Wars.......?
Like in America.....Home land security.....Rumors of wars and yet we have no sign of war in America......

Is this a sign?

Jesus said.....Watch and Pray......Let keep on Praying and In Your Patience .....possess your soul.....

bb

[OBXBob]

Mrs. B.,

Nowhere do we read (that I'm aware of) that the mosque has to be destroyed in order for there to be another temple. This is a man-made assumption, IMO.

Also, how do we know that if the Gog/Magog war occurs before the AoD, that the mosque will be destroyed in it?

Interestingly, many believe now that the Holy of Holies was actually located 50 feet or more from where the Dome of the Rock stands. This would mean that the Temple can be rebuilt alongside the Dome.

IMO, we can't take obvious, straight-forward verses like those found in Revelation 11, and try to disprove them when they don't match man-made assumptions. We must follow what is stated in the Bible...not that which is could be a theory.

YBIC,

Bob

[Sherree]

I've been reading through this thread, and forgive me if I have missed it, but do you also believe in Replacement Theology Mrs. B.? Just wondering.....

[Triton57]

Well Bob....if this be the case.....
then......the Gog and Magog war would have to happen so the Mosk can be destroyed?

Revelation 11:1,2
And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

This scripture says the outer court of the temple won't be built because it is given to the Gentiles. Notice the image below shows that if the Dome of the Spirits/Dome of the Tablets is truly the site of the Holy of Holies, that if the outer court of the temple was not built, the inner court would sit next to the Dome of the Rock. In this way, the outer court will not be built and instead be given to the Gentiles.



Notice too, how if placed in that location with the Holy of Holies at the Dome of the Spirits/Tablets that the Eastern entrance to the temple goes right through the Golden Gate. There is prophecy about the Messiah entering through this gate and resulted in the Muslim burying their dead all over that hillside and sealing up the doors.


I should also mention that this temple will not be the millennial temple because that temple HAS an outer court. I believe this temple that will be built will be destroyed in the events of God's wrath leading to Armageddon.

[OBXBob]

Triton,

Also, if one looks at the size of the millennial Temple and court...it's HUGE! Which would make sense.

YBIC,


Bob

[DontLeaveMeBehind]

After reading all the scenerios...I thought that I would post this here.......The scenerio that I come up with is;......Isaiah 17;1 happens first....The one and only reason that I strongly suspect that Isaiah 17;1 happens prior to the rapture, is because of the scripture of Isaiah 17;7 "IN that day a man will look to his Maker"...This seems to indicate that a lot of people will come to the Lord Jesus, when this prophecy comes to pass. But I am not certain that is what it means. I believe that the prophecy of Isaiah 17;1 will become the first major shock upon the world....but yet not enough to convince the arabs to agree willingly to a jewish third temple on the temple mount. When Isaiah 17;1 comes to pass.....I am thinking that a man out of the E.U. will activate "Recomendation 666" which will give him dictorial powers over the E.U. .....Then sometimes shortly thereafter, I believe that the Lord will call His Bride home, an event that "WE" call the rapture.....This will become the second global shock....This second shock may or maynot yet be enough to convince the arabs to agree to a third jewish temple. But because of the rapture, a lot of people are going to become religious overnite, which would make them prime candidates to become deceived by the false prophet...It is possible,but not for certain that this so-called coming false prophet could be the muslem messiah called the mahdi, who may be the false prophet...If this is true, then we have a scenerio of where muslims are brought together in (IF you will)....in harmony with the jews, considering that the Jews are looking for their false messiah who may be a jew......Which if this is case,....the islamic nations most likely would agree to anything that the anti-christ may suggest, including to have the arab nations to agree to a jewish third temple.......But after the rapture comes to pass, there will be a lot of chaos on a global scale, and I believe that it is going to take some time for the world to get its ducks in order....At this moment, a majority of the jews in Israel long to become aligned with the E.U. ......I believe that this will eventually happen, which the E.U. would guarantee peace and security, and the promise to come to Israel's aid, in the event that Israel were attacked. ......I believe that this strong guarantee, would be enough to convince Israel to unwall their villiages,and would believe that she is living in safety,..thus setting up the scenerio to where Ezekial 38 would come to pass. In its aftermath, there would be nothing to stand in Israel's way from building the third temple...............So it does seem that there will be a false peace before Daniels 70th week begins.....It is possible that the rapture could come to pass sometimes between 3 1/2 to 4 years before the last week of Daniel begins.....As I said before,...Once the rapture comes to pass, it's going to take some time to get thier ducks in order,because of all the chaos..........................benny

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[lookup]

So,

Are you saying also, Lookup, that there will be no literal temple?

No one is arguing here that our bodies are not the temple of the Holy Spirit. The temple where the abomination of desolation will be set up is a building. The building will not be abstract. It will be literal.

No, not at all. I only see in part as we all do. I just believe that when we pray, things always change. I don't see how it would be possible for an ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION to take place if there wasn't a temple. On the other hand, God may have something else in mind, that's why we need to keep on praying about everything. For example; look at the religious Jews when Jesus first came. They were expecting a mighty conquerer sitting on a horse. They knew that Daniel's 69/7's had come, they knew where to send the "wise men" but they were wrong in their comprehension of God's wonderful grace. There were many who knew the time had come.

I just had an interesting thought, it seems to me that those who were really looking and waiting for HIM were visited by angles. Wow... I'll have to check that out later.

Thanks for your inquiry.

I am becoming more and more concerned that "the prayer movement" in
America, by increasing focus on seminars, conferences, and the
selling of program oriented books and materials, looks more and
more like the very den of thieves that displaced God's house of
prayer. To your prayer closet, child of God! The Father promised to
meet you there. To your local church family's prayer gatherings!
Jesus promised to be there in the midst. Stop talking about prayer:
go to God, and Just Pray! -- Eddie Noragong

[Triton57]

Also, if one looks at the size of the millennial Temple and court...it's HUGE! Which would make sense.

Very true. In fact I've heard it said it is too big to fit on the Temple Mount and that it would actually be built to the North of the Temple Mount.

[Salty Skipper]

So,

Are you saying also, Lookup, that there will be no literal temple?

No one is arguing here that our bodies are not the temple of the Holy Spirit. The temple where the abomination of desolation will be set up is a building. The building will not be abstract. It will be literal.

No, not at all. I only see in part as we all do. I just believe that when we pray, things always change. I don't see how it would be possible for an ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION to take place if there wasn't a temple. On the other hand, God may have something else in mind, that's why we need to keep on praying about everything. For example; look at the religious Jews when Jesus first came. They were expecting a mighty conquerer sitting on a horse. They knew that Daniel's 69/7's had come, they knew where to send the "wise men" but they were wrong in their comprehension of God's wonderful grace. There were many who knew the time had come.

I just had an interesting thought, it seems to me that those who were really looking and waiting for HIM were visited by angles. Wow... I'll have to check that out later.

Thanks for your inquiry.

I am becoming more and more concerned that "the prayer movement" in
America, by increasing focus on seminars, conferences, and the
selling of program oriented books and materials, looks more and
more like the very den of thieves that displaced God's house of
prayer. To your prayer closet, child of God! The Father promised to
meet you there. To your local church family's prayer gatherings!
Jesus promised to be there in the midst. Stop talking about prayer:
go to God, and Just Pray! -- Eddie Noragong

I don't think that the Lord will change his mind at this point. He has written, so shall it be.

[Mrs. B]

The True Tabernacle.....


The True Tabernacle.....Which the Lord Pitched, and not man.....

Hebrews 8:1....Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum:

We have such an High Priest, who is set on the Right Hand of the Throne of the Majesty in the Heavens....

2......A Minister of the Sanctuary, and of The True Tabernacle....

Which the Lord Pitched, and not man....

5....Who Serve unto the Example and Shadow of Heavenly things,

As Moses was admonished of God......When He was about to Make the Tabernacle:

For, SEE, SAITH HE......That Thou Make All things According to the

Pattern Shewed to Thee in the Mount....


6.....But Now....hath he (Jesus) obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the MEDIATOR of a Better Covenant, which was established upon Better Promises......

7.....For if that First Covenant had been Faultless, then should No place have been sought for the Second....

8.....For finding fault with them,....... he saith...
Behold,..... the Days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a New Covenant with the House of Israel and with the House of Judah:

9.....Not According to the Covenant that I made with their Fathers in the Day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt;

Because THEY continued NOT IN MY COVENANT, and I regareded them Not, Saith the Lord....


10.....For this is the Covenant that I Will Make with the House of Israel.....

after those days....saith the Lord;
I Will put My Laws INTO their mind, and write them in their hearts:
and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a People.....

Jesus fulfilled this New Covenant....

9:11.....But Christ being come an high Priest of Good Things to Come....By A Greater and More Perfect Tabernacle....
Not Made With Hands.....That is to say...Not of this Building:

12......Neither by the blood of goats and calves,

But By HIS OWN BLOOD HE ENTERED IN ONCE INTO THE HOLY

PLACE......HAVING Obtained Eternal Redemption for us......

14......How much more shall the Blood of Christ, who through the Eternal Spirit Offered Himself Without....Spot to God....Purge Your Conscience From Dead Works to Serve......THE LIVING GOD?


15.....And for this Cause He is the Mediator...of

THE NEW TESTAMENT OR NEW COVENANT......

THAT BY MEANS OF DEATH,

FOR THE REDEMPTION OF THE TRANSGRESSIONS....

THAT WERE UNDER THE FIRST TESTAMENT.....

THEY WHICH ARE CALLED, MIGHT RECEIVE......
THE PROMISE OF ETERNAL INHERITANCE...



Ok....saying all this.....to rebuild the Temple again.....would only bring Gods Wrath.....when He sent His only Begotten Son to Redeem us from sin and buy us back again by the shedding of His Blood.....

I see the Temple in Heaven......Prepared for us the Born Again Believers.....



bb

[Salty Skipper]

Well,

We know from Revelation that the wrath of Almighty God is going to fall upon the earth and those who have refused to accept Jesus. The temple isn't going to be sanctified, Mrs B. It will be a jewish temple. The jews have not accepted Jesus, and won't until God opens their eyes.

I just saw earlier where you said that you have been to the dome of the rock. Is that place open for tours?

[Mrs. B]

Salty.....

No.....not any more....

This was back in 1982

We had a special tour......It was just for pastors.....
and some wives.....I was blessed to Go...

We were taken to places the regular tourest were not taken....

It was the Most wonderful tour.....

I've see all the places that Trinto show in his Pictures....

My Husband was invited...it was just for the Pastors....I called and asked if the wife could come.....They said No

I was very disappointed because.....How could the Lord let my husband go and not me......I kept say....I'm going....I just know I'm going.....

Two weeks before the tour.....we got a call...and thy had 10 spaces for some of the wives to Go.....well Glory....The Lord open the door and I was permitted to......go

It was a wonderful experience....

Hal Linsey had just been there about a week before and Was haveing a New book printed......so we order it there....and about 6 weeks later we received our copy.....

when I was there I picked up rocks, broken pottery,leaves all kinds of things for keep sake...

when we were at the Temple Mount .....at the Dom of the Spirits....where they think the Holies or Holies sit......a ways from that they believe is the Temple Corner......Well....I picked up a Rock....
and would you believe......when we received our copy of Hal's book....There was MY Rock at where He said or thought Was the Corner....

Well Glory.......I have My Rock....and Picture where I found it....My Corner Stone......

The Lord is so Good......I Praise Him and Praise Him....He is so faithful

He heard my hearts cry and let me go.....

I love Israel.....and I know God is doing a Work....Our Guide..the next time My Husband went......Gave Him a Godly hug....and Said..I'm

Born again....I am a Believer in Jesus.....

When we were there He Knew all about Jesus.....but did not Know Him as Savior.......He was so excited about the Temple being rebuilt.....I remember I said......Don't You Know....Your Body is the Temple of the Holy Ghost......and for him to remember my Husband and come to him personnelly and say......I Born Again......What a Blessing





bb

[Salty Skipper]

That sounds really neat. I would love to go to Israel. If not now, hopefully when the Lord reigns there on His throne.

[D4Christ]

Hi Triton,

I have a question about this quote from you:

Revelation 11:1,2
And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

This scripture says the outer court of the temple won't be built because it is given to the Gentiles. Notice the image below shows that if the Dome of the Spirits/Dome of the Tablets is truly the site of the Holy of Holies, that if the outer court of the temple was not built, the inner court would sit next to the Dome of the Rock. In this way, the outer court will not be built and instead be given to the Gentiles.

Let me state that (1) I have not followed this thread carefully and (2) do not really have questions as to when the 3rd temple will be rebuilt. I happen to think based on some of my own, very limited studies, that it will be rebuilt during the millenium where it will be the center of worship for the world....but that is not really my question.

You interpeted Revelation 11 to say that the outer court of the temple will not be built. However, after another close reading of this scripture it seems to be saying, that (paraphrasing) when doing all of your measuring leave out or skip measuring the outer court because the Gentiles will rule it for 3 1/2 years. It does not seem to be saying that it will not be built at all.

New Living Translation: ...But do not measure the outer courtyard, for it has been turned over to the nations. They will trample the holy city for 42 months....

Amplified...2But leave out of your measuring the court outside the sanctuary of God; omit that, for it is given over to the Gentiles (the nations), and they will trample the holy city underfoot for 42 months (three and one-half years).

NIV...Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, and count the worshipers there. 2But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months...

NASB...."Get up and measure the temple of God and the altar, and those who worship in it.
2"Leave out the court which is outside the temple and do not measure it, for it has been given to the nations; and they will tread under foot the holy city for forty-two months...

If I tell someone to measure all of the windows in my house but the window in my bedroom, leave out and measure it not, does not, on a good day mean that the window in my bedroom is non-existent. It just means that the people who go to measure the windows in my house will skip and not measure the window in my bedroom.

I am just curious about your interpretation that the outer court is not built when the scriptures, in multiple versions do not support it.

[Triton57]

Let me state that (1) I have not followed this thread carefully and (2) do not really have questions as to when the 3rd temple will be rebuilt. I happen to think based on some of my own, very limited studies, that it will be rebuilt during the millenium where it will be the center of worship for the world....but that is not really my question.

You interpeted Revelation 11 to say that the outer court of the temple will not be built. However, after another close reading of this scripture it seems to be saying, that (paraphrasing) when doing all of your measuring leave out or skip measuring the outer court because the Gentiles will rule it for 3 1/2 years. It does not seem to be saying that it will not be built at all.

New Living Translation: ...But do not measure the outer courtyard, for it has been turned over to the nations. They will trample the holy city for 42 months....

Amplified...2But leave out of your measuring the court outside the sanctuary of God; omit that, for it is given over to the Gentiles (the nations), and they will trample the holy city underfoot for 42 months (three and one-half years).

NIV...Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, and count the worshipers there. 2But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months...

NASB...."Get up and measure the temple of God and the altar, and those who worship in it.
2"Leave out the court which is outside the temple and do not measure it, for it has been given to the nations; and they will tread under foot the holy city for forty-two months...

If I tell someone to measure all of the windows in my house but the window in my bedroom, leave out and measure it not, does not, on a good day mean that the window in my bedroom is non-existent. It just means that the people who go to measure the windows in my house will skip and not measure the window in my bedroom.

I am just curious about your interpretation that the outer court is not built when the scriptures, in multiple versions do not support it.

Hey D4Christ! I see what you're saying. Regarding the various translations, I prefer the KJV due to the source of most other versions from older gnostic versions of the Alexandrian and Vatican copies Bibles by Westcott & Hort. They leave out over 200 verses in the New Testament and in the first four Gospels, there are over 3,000 errors/contradictions. I won't get into that though, I've started gathering information here. Due to the types of things removed from scripture in those versions, I prefer to stick to the KJV while examining the Greek and Hebrew origins to more fully determine meaning of the words.

I guess my main reasoning for the outer court not existing is that I don't see the Jews giving the outer court (supposing it is built) to the Gentiles or the Gentiles wanting anything to do with it.

However, the Dome of the Rock lies within the area that would be taken by the outer court if the Dome of the Spirits/Tablets is the Holy of Holies. Given that the Ark of the Covenant held the 10 commandments on tablets of stone and that the Mercy seat of the Ark is where the Spirit of God rested, the Dome of the Spirits/Tablets seems to fit as well as it's perfect alignment with the Golden Gate to the East.

Given the situation in the world now and both Judaism and Islam claiming the Temple Mount for their own, the only way a shaky peace could arise is if the Temple Mount were divided such that both religions would coexist such that the Jews would rebuild the temple and leave out the outer court so the Dome of the Rock could remain. In this way, the Temple mount would be divided and the location where the outer court would have been would be occupied by a Gentile temple. So the space of the outer court would be given to the Gentiles (Islam specifically) and they would want it.

I think this fits the best with the current situation combined with what Bible prophecy says will happen. We know a Jewish temple must be rebuilt and we know a Muslim temple exists there now. Somehow between now and the end this must get sorted out. Either the Dome of the Rock must be destroyed to make way for the Jewish temple and the outer court of the Jewish temple will be given to the Gentiles. What they would want with the outer court I don't know... Or the outer court will not be built so that the two temples can coexist side-by-side. In this way, giving the outer court to the Gentiles makes more sense because there is a group of Gentiles that would like to keep their Mosque. Here's some pics of what I'm talking about in case you didn't see them previously.

[D4Christ]

Hi Triton,

I knew I would get a classic Triton (detailed) response. There's no shame in being thorough Triton, and I appreciate your complete answers. But, for time purposes...since I am at work, let's just look at this portion of your response.

I guess my main reasoning for the outer court not existing is that I don't see the Jews giving the outer court (supposing it is built) to the Gentiles or the Gentiles wanting anything to do with it.

And let us again look at Revelation 11 (King James style)

And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

I am actually in agreement with you, I just think my explanation may not be as long as yours . I can now see, with the help of your research, that the temple built without the outer court makes sense...not because the verse you quoted told them not to build the outer court, but because the verse said the outer court is in the hands of the gentiles (ie one who is not of the Jewish faith).

KJV says, "is given unto," other versions say, "had been given to or turned over." My point is that this is an event in the past....it has already happend. G-d is not implying that the outer court will be built and turned over to the Gentiles. He clearly tells John in the vision, it has already been turned over to them.

It is like saying to someone go in my closet and take my dresses but do not bother with my shoes because I turned them over to the salvation army. And according to your pictures Triton, the outer court area is already in the possession of the gentiles (muslims) is it not? So why would G-d give measurements for a structure He intends not to rebuild?

Am I making any sense? Let me know.

Deirdre

[Triton57]

I got my classic Triton response. There's no shame in being thorough Triton. But, for time purposes...since I am at work, let's just look at this portion of your response.

Hey Deirdre! I can be a little long-winded sometimes. If I get too repetitive, just

...according to your pictures Triton, the outer court area is already in the possession of the gentiles is it not? So why would G-d give measurements for a structure He intends not to rebuild?

God gave instructions for the dimensions of the temple and the Jews have been pretty good about sticking to that design in the past. As the earthly version of the heavenly temple, its dimensions are already set in stone, so to speak. (Or is it gold in heaven?) Those dimensions include the outer court and inner court except the Gentiles are controlling the space needed for all of that now. I believe as part of the upcoming temporary peace, Israel will either be allowed part of the Temple Mount or they will take it. Since the outer court area is given to the Gentiles, it makes me think they will cohabit the temple mount, at least for a time, and it won't be taken by force, but I don't really know for sure.

At any rate, I don't think the outer court will actually be built, but it is still part of the original design from heaven. The space that it would occupy if it were built though, has been given to the Gentiles already, I agree. I think it is for that reason that the temple's outer court is not measured out, because it won't be there so there's no reason to measure it. If one is going to build a building in a location according to pre-designed plans, they must measure out where the walls will be before building. I think this is the measuring that is going on. I'm not sure though if John is measuring the temple in heaven or the one that will be built on earth. The outer court is "left out" though and so I don't think it will be part of the rebuilt temple during the 70th week of Daniel.

[D4Christ]

God gave instructions for the dimensions of the temple and the Jews have been pretty good about sticking to that design in the past.... At any rate, I don't think the outer court will actually be built, but it is still part of the original design from heaven. The space that it would occupy if it were built though, has been given to the Gentiles already, I agree. I think it is for that reason that the temple's outer court is not measured out, because it won't be there so there's no reason to measure it. If one is going to build a building in a location according to pre-designed plans, they must measure out where the walls will be before building. I think this is the measuring that is going on. I'm not sure though if John is measuring the temple in heaven or the one that will be built on earth. The outer court is "left out" though and so I don't think it will be part of the rebuilt temple during the 70th week of Daniel.

Hi again,

I think the temple being described is the one on earth because Ezek. 44 talks about the priests who will be in charge of offering sacrifices for the sins of the people. There will be no need for sacrificing or a temple when the New Jerusalem comes to earth. Revelation 21:22 says, "I saw no temple in the city, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple."

However, I want to discuss the rebuilding of the temple during the 70th week. You say that since the outer court is left out then it is probably not part of the temple rebuilt during the 70th week. My question is where does it say in the bible that the temple will be rebuilt in the 70th week? Daniel states that the sacrifices will cease. The question is, according to Jewish law, can you sacrifice in G-d's Holy place (Temple Mount) without a physical temple?

Ezra 3

1And when the seventh month was come, and the children of Israel were in the cities, the people gathered themselves together as one man to Jerusalem.

3And they set the altar upon his bases; for fear was upon them because of the people of those countries: and they offered burnt offerings thereon unto the LORD, even burnt offerings morning and evening.

4They kept also the feast of tabernacles, as it is written, and offered the daily burnt offerings by number, according to the custom, as the duty of every day required;

5And afterward offered the continual burnt offering, both of the new moons, and of all the set feasts of the LORD that were consecrated, and of every one that willingly offered a freewill offering unto the LORD.

6From the first day of the seventh month began they to offer burnt offerings unto the LORD. But the foundation of the temple of the LORD was not yet laid.

8Now in the second year of their coming unto the house of God at Jerusalem, in the second month, began Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel, and Jeshua the son of Jozadak, and the remnant of their brethren the priests and the Levites, and all they that were come out of the captivity unto Jerusalem; and appointed the Levites, from twenty years old and upward, to set forward the work of the house of the LORD.

I do not have tons of proof readily available, but I have read enough to make me question if the temple being rebuilt now is a priority. Consider with me this.

1. Daniel states the AC will stop the sacrifices and offerings.
2. We know from Ezra 3 that sacrifices and offerings can be performed on the Holy Mountain without a physical building in place.
3. The Sanhedrin wants to perform sacrifices on the Holy Mountain but have been, so far, prevented from doing so.
4.The rebuilding of the temple described in Ezekiel is probably done in the millenium because:
a. We know that in the millenium sacrifices will continue.
b. Why would the temple be rebuilt in time for the sacrifices to cease when scriptures tell us that Jerusalem will be destroyed during the Day of the Lord, which we know happens shortly after the sacrifices are stopped (sometime between the midpoint to the end of the 70th week)? See Zechariah 14:1,2...Issaiah 5:26,30...Zephaniah 1:7,8,14-16.
5. And finally consider this....even though the outer court was not measured (to demonstrate that this area is in Gentile control) it is mentioned as a matter of fact when described in Ezekiel 42, ie it exists...though no where could I find in Ezekiel where it was measured.

Ezek clearly makes references to the outer court and like you said, the Jews stick close to their schematics. So why would they build the temple without the outer court if they are not known to deviate from G-d's plans?

It seems more likely that the the Jews will begin their sacrifices on the Holy Mountain without the temple, (as they are permitted to do and which the Sanhedrin wants to do) and it will be these sacrifices and offerings that the AC will cause to stop at the midpoint.

We know from the midpoint comes GT, then comes the DOL, in which Jerusalem is surrounded and conquered. After their conquering and the judgements on which her enemies are devestated, G-d brings back His scatter remenat and repopulated Jerusalem from a small rememnat (Zechariah 8: 4-8, 11-15, 20-23). Then they rebuild the temple in a city, which not only becomes the center of worship for the world but will never be touched by hostility again.

That's my What do ya think?

[Triton57]

God gave instructions for the dimensions of the temple and the Jews have been pretty good about sticking to that design in the past.... At any rate, I don't think the outer court will actually be built, but it is still part of the original design from heaven. The space that it would occupy if it were built though, has been given to the Gentiles already, I agree. I think it is for that reason that the temple's outer court is not measured out, because it won't be there so there's no reason to measure it. If one is going to build a building in a location according to pre-designed plans, they must measure out where the walls will be before building. I think this is the measuring that is going on. I'm not sure though if John is measuring the temple in heaven or the one that will be built on earth. The outer court is "left out" though and so I don't think it will be part of the rebuilt temple during the 70th week of Daniel.

Hi again,

I think the temple being described is the one on earth because Ezek. 44 talks about the priests who will be in charge of offering sacrifices for the sins of the people.

If you haven't already, you should check out Lambert Dolphin's site on the temple of Ezekiel. He makes the case that the dimensions described there do not match any previous temple and in fact do not fit on the Temple Mount. I believe that the temple described in Ezekiel 40 and beyond is the millennial temple and not the "tribulation temple" that the Jews will rebuild without the outer court so that it can sit next to the Dome of the Rock.

There will be no need for sacrificing or a temple when the New Jerusalem comes to earth. Revelation 21:22 says, "I saw no temple in the city, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple."

New Jerusalem doesn't descend until the new heavens and new earth after this heaven and earth are burned with a fervent heat. The temple of Ezekiel and the sacrifices therein must happen during the millennium. Why Christ has them do the sacrifices I'm not sure, but they are described in great detail there.

However, I want to discuss the rebuilding of the temple during the 70th week. You say that since the outer court is left out then it is probably not part of the temple rebuilt during the 70th week. My question is where does it say in the bible that the temple will be rebuilt in the 70th week? Daniel states that the sacrifices will cease. The question is, according to Jewish law, can you sacrifice in G-d's Holy place (Temple Mount) without a physical temple?

Ezra 3

1And when the seventh month was come, and the children of Israel were in the cities, the people gathered themselves together as one man to Jerusalem.

3And they set the altar upon his bases; for fear was upon them because of the people of those countries: and they offered burnt offerings thereon unto the LORD, even burnt offerings morning and evening.

4They kept also the feast of tabernacles, as it is written, and offered the daily burnt offerings by number, according to the custom, as the duty of every day required;

5And afterward offered the continual burnt offering, both of the new moons, and of all the set feasts of the LORD that were consecrated, and of every one that willingly offered a freewill offering unto the LORD.

6From the first day of the seventh month began they to offer burnt offerings unto the LORD. But the foundation of the temple of the LORD was not yet laid.

8Now in the second year of their coming unto the house of God at Jerusalem, in the second month, began Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel, and Jeshua the son of Jozadak, and the remnant of their brethren the priests and the Levites, and all they that were come out of the captivity unto Jerusalem; and appointed the Levites, from twenty years old and upward, to set forward the work of the house of the LORD.

I do not have tons of proof readily available, but I have read enough to make me question if the temple being rebuilt now is a priority. Consider with me this.

1. Daniel states the AC will stop the sacrifices and offerings.
2. We know from Ezra 3 that sacrifices and offerings can be performed on the Holy Mountain without a physical building in place.
3. The Sanhedrin wants to perform sacrifices on the Holy Mountain but have been, so far, prevented from doing so.
4.The rebuilding of the temple described in Ezekiel is probably done in the millenium because:
a. We know that in the millenium sacrifices will continue.
b. Why would the temple be rebuilt in time for the sacrifices to cease when scriptures tell us that Jerusalem will be destroyed during the Day of the Lord, which we know happens shortly after the sacrifices are stopped (sometime between the midpoint to the end of the 70th week)? See Zechariah 14:1,2...Issaiah 5:26,30...Zephaniah 1:7,8,14-16.
5. And finally consider this....even though the outer court was not measured (to demonstrate that this area is in Gentile control) it is mentioned as a matter of fact when described in Ezekiel 42, ie it exists...though no where could I find in Ezekiel where it was measured.

Ezek clearly makes references to the outer court and like you said, the Jews stick close to their schematics. So why would they build the temple without the outer court if they are not known to deviate from G-d's plans?

Becuase I believe it will be dictated that either they share the Temple Mount in the name of peace, or they can forget building a temple. Given that choice, they will do what they have been doing for the last 40 years, give up what is theirs in hopes of peace.

And I believe the "tribulation temple" is different from the millennial temple, which is described in Ezekiel 40 and on. Therefore, it is not related at all to the temple from which the daily sacrifices are stopped.

It seems more likely that the the Jews will begin their sacrifices on the Holy Mountain without the temple, (as they are permitted to do and which the Sanhedrin wants to do) and it will be these sacrifices and offerings that the AC will cause to stop at the midpoint.

We know from the midpoint comes GT, then comes the DOL, in which Jerusalem is surrounded and conquered. After their conquering and the judgements on which her enemies are devestated, G-d brings back His scatter remenat and repopulated Jerusalem from a small rememnat (Zechariah 8: 4-8, 11-15, 20-23). Then they rebuild the temple in a city, which not only becomes the center of worship for the world but will never be touched by hostility again.

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We know that there are elements in Israel who very much desire a physical temple rebuilt. To the extent that rumors are circulating that they plan to build it like Solomon did, constructing and cutting off-site and then assemble it when they can on the Temple Mount. Then there's...

2 Thessalonians 2:1-4
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

So I believe a temple will exist from which the antichrist will declare himself god.

As a sidenote, since he doesn't recognize the God of his fathers, I'm thinking it will initially be a pride-drenched humanistic declaration of diety by the man of sin in the temple in defiance of the Jews who refuse to stop the daily sacrifice even though animal rights laws prevent it. I think that when he stops the daily sacrifice and defiantly declares himself god, zealous Jews will assassinate him. When Lucifer is cast down and resurrects him and gives him his power, he will have cause in the world's eyes for them to allow his genocide of the intolerant Jews, bringing the time of Jacob's trouble from which they are warned to flee from to the mountains at the abomination of desolation.

Time will tell whether a physical temple will be rebuilt, but if the HIStory, Our Future timeline is accurate, expect it any time between now and next year. We may not have too much longer to wait in order to see these things come about!