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keithareilly wrote:Luke 13:6-9
6And He began telling this parable: “A man had a fig tree which had been planted in his vineyard; and he came looking for fruit on it and did not find any. 7“And he said to the vineyard-keeper, ‘Behold, for three years I have come looking for fruit on this fig tree without finding any. Cut it down! Why does it even use up the ground?’ 8“And he answered and said to him, ‘Let it alone, sir, for this year too, until I dig around it and put in fertilizer; 9and if it bears fruit next year, fine; but if not, cut it down.’”
Legal Perspective ... True based upon historical facts
This verse describes God, the owner of the vineyard and the servant (Jesus) and the people of Israel, the trees.
The trees did not bear fruit. Fertilizer was provide, Christ came and preached and was sacrificed. Some repented, most did not. Eventually, Israel was cut down by God through the Romans during the Jewish Roman wars for not repenting and rejecting Christ.
Faith Perspective ... Kingdom of Heaven within you -Luke 17:20-21, Where your treasure is, your heart is -Matt 6:21
We each have relationships with others where we encourage growth and fruitfulness. We spend time and resources on those relationships. Eventually, we evaluate our time and resources and the fruitfulness of the relationship. If the relationship simply consumes resources without yielding any fruit, we may end those relationships.
The legal perspective and the faith perspective are lined up with each other.
There exists a synergy between the perspectives.
Because the LAW is written on our hearts, our works of faith align with the LAW.
As we act upon our faith, our faith is perfected.
keithareilly wrote:Luke 17:11-19
11While He was on the way to Jerusalem, He was passing between Samaria and Galilee. 12As He entered a village, ten leprous men who stood at a distance met Him; 13and they raised their voices, saying, “Jesus, Master, have mercy on us!” 14When He saw them, He said to them, “Go and show yourselves to the priests.” And as they were going, they were cleansed. 15Now one of them, when he saw that he had been healed, turned back, glorifying God with a loud voice, 16and he fell on his face at His feet, giving thanks to Him. And he was a Samaritan. 17Then Jesus answered and said, “Were there not ten cleansed? But the nine—where are they? 18“Was no one found who returned to give glory to God, except this foreigner?” 19And He said to him, “Stand up and go; your faith has made you well.”
Jesus commanded them what to do, go see the priests. On their way, before they arrived, they were healed.
Only the foreigner, deciding to not obey Jesus's instructions, returned to give glory to God.
keithareilly wrote:The legal perspective and the faith perspective are lined up with each other.
There exists a synergy between the perspectives.
Because the LAW is written on our hearts, our works of faith align with the LAW.
The Law does not apply to the child of God.
And what about my shrimp?? You've never responded to my shrimp-eating faith.
keithareilly wrote:Mark wroteThe Law does not apply to the child of God.
And what about my shrimp?? You've never responded to my shrimp-eating faith.
When one applies paint, the paint is on the outside.
When the law is on the inside, it is not applied, else it would be on the outside.
I did answer your post about the shrimp. I posted the passage about Christ's disciples picking grain on the sabbath. And Christ quoting what King David had done that was not lawful. Earlier I posted about the man who was healed who came back and gave glory to God instead of going on to the priests as Christ commanded.
Again, I'd have to say, according to your words, my faith is at best incomplete, leading me into that which decidedly disagrees with the Law as mentioned.
Hi Mark,
Matthew 22:36-40 New International Version (NIV)
36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b]
40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
From my observations or you on this board, I would wager your works of faith align with these commandments.
Keith
Jay Ross wrote:Within both the Kingdom of Priests, a Holy Nation and God's possession, among the nations and the Mosaic Covenants, they contained the basis of the Salvation covenant which enabled each and every individual person to enter into a personal relationship with God within the terms of God's statutes which had been in force since the time that God had created Adam and Eve. The relationships with God began initially as a personal relationship where God interacted face to face with people and over time up and until Jacob we have this record of God continually interacting directly with people, which then jumps around 430 years when God interacts directly with Moses to initiate His covenant with the Nation of Israel to be His priests and possession among the nation of the world and to fulfil God's covenant with Abraham that Abraham's descentants will be a blessing to all of the nations, i.e. the different people groups and families in the world, in restoring their relationship with God on a personal basis such that they would, at some time in the future will be restored into a righteous world that has been renewed by God for those who believe in Him and is countered as righteousness which was there at the very beginning before the fall.
This understanding is not a perspective of what is legal and faith, it is an understanding of what our relationship with God is all about and how we can enter into that relationship by conforming our minds by the renewing of our minds about the things of God and to then put on the renewed personhood that God had intended us to be from the beginning of the time that He had made Adam and Eve.
We need to change ourselves into the likeness of God, by changing our hearts to reflect God living within us. Knowing the Legal does not mean that our faith will get us to that point of a healthy relationship with God.
Romans 12:1-2 KJV
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 KJV
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.
it is an understanding of what our relationship with God is all about and how we can enter into that relationship by conforming our minds by the renewing of our minds about the things of God and to then put on the renewed personhood that God had intended us to be from the beginning of the time that He had made Adam and Eve.
mark s wrote:Hi Jay,
I've been reading and mulling over your post above since yesterday, and reading much of Exodus today. Very interesting, very engaging.
A couple of the things I've come across, wasn't the Levitical priesthood in place before the golden calf incident? Established in Exodus 28, the golden calf later in 32?
Also, Didn't Jacob prophesy that Levi would be scattered through the land, a prophecy fulfilled by Levi's inheritance to be the Lord Himself, and not a land possession?
So as such, wouldn't this mean that the Levitical priesthood was actually part of the initial covenant?
Much love!
Mark
Genesis 49:5-7: -
5 "Simeon and Levi are brothers;
Instruments of cruelty are in their dwelling place.
6 Let not my soul enter their council;
Let not my honor be united to their assembly;
For in their anger they slew a man,
And in their self-will they hamstrung an ox.
7 Cursed be their anger, for it is fierce;
And their wrath, for it is cruel!
I will divide them in Jacob
And scatter them in Israel.
Genesis 49:8-12: -
8 "Judah, you are he whom your brothers shall praise;
Your hand shall be on the neck of your enemies;
Your father's children shall bow down before you.
9 Judah is a lion's whelp;
From the prey, my son, you have gone up.
He bows down, he lies down as a lion;
And as a lion, who shall rouse him?
10 The scepter shall not depart from Judah,
Nor a lawgiver from between his feet,
Until Shiloh comes;
And to Him shall be the obedience of the people.
11 Binding his donkey to the vine,
And his donkey's colt to the choice vine,
He washed his garments in wine,
And his clothes in the blood of grapes.
12 His eyes are darker than wine,
And his teeth whiter than milk.
mark s wrote:Hi Keith,
When you say, "the entire law written on our hearts", what exactly do you mean?
Do you mean the Law given through Moses?
Do you mean the commandments to Trust Jesus and love others?
Are we talking 10 commandments? Sermon on the Mount?
I appreciate your clarification to me on this.
Much love!
Mark
So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.
I do not believe - most emphatically - that the born again child of God is a slave to sin. Where the Spirit of the Lord is there is Freedom. It is for freedom that Christ made us free.
keithareilly wrote:I do not believe - most emphatically - that the born again child of God is a slave to sin. Where the Spirit of the Lord is there is Freedom. It is for freedom that Christ made us free.
I agree when we are born again, we are free from enslavement to sin.
Before we are born again, even though we have a new mind and heart, we are not yet free.
Thus does Paul describe us being prisoners of our flesh.
A child, after being conceived, spends nine months alive in his mothers womb.
After nine months then he is born. Conception and birth are not the same event.
Having a new mind and new heart is not equivalent to being born again.
Those whom Peter addressed when he said: "repent and be baptized" already had a new mind and heart.
When Paul describes the circumstance where he is no longer the one sinning, he describes himself being a prisoner of the the flesh. The hearers of Peter were still prisoners of the flesh. They had a new heart and mind; but were not yet been born again.
mark s wrote:Hi Jay,
I've been reading and mulling over your post above since yesterday, and reading much of Exodus today. Very interesting, very engaging.
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Much love!
Mark
On this I most resoundingly disagree. How do you get a new mind without being born again?
I doubt you have a problem with being created, then, afterwards, being born.
So, why would you have a problem with being re-created, then, afterwards, being-re-born?
keithareilly wrote: . . . so if people do not understand the truth, they are not going to experience the freedom we are promised and as a result they are not able to stop being slaves to sin and therefore cannot stop sinning and because they cannot stop sinning for lack of knowledge, they deny we have been set free from enslavement to sin.
Our salvation includes being freed from the enslavement to sin.
I don't want you to fear. I want you to know you are free.
Genesis 4:3-7: - 3 And in the process of time it came to pass that Cain brought an offering of the fruit of the ground to the Lord. 4 Abel also brought of the firstborn of his flock and of their fat. And the Lord respected Abel and his offering, 5 but He did not respect Cain and his offering. And Cain was very angry, and his countenance fell.
6 So the Lord said to Cain, "Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen? 7 If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it."
Like Cain, if we do well, we will be acceptable,
keithareilly wrote:
. . . so if people do not understand the truth, they are not going to experience the freedom we are promised and as a result they are not able to stop being slaves to sin and therefore cannot stop sinning and because they cannot stop sinning for lack of knowledge, they deny we have been set free from enslavement to sin.
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