Re: The LAST DAY

Ok Mr. B.,
This next part will answer your following questions....
First, the question is to be understood in the same manner as the same words in Malachi 3 and in Rev 11. Of course it is understood as rhetorical, but even rhetorical questions are Answered In Some Form right? In our thoughts and minds they find an answer, they can also be answered by the layout of a text...such as is found in Malachi 3....please note the following...
Mal 3
1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for
he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:
3 And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi
, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.
As you can see by the following example ,the Answer to "Who Shall Stand" is Answered in the few following verses in Malachi 3.
Is there any doubt that there is a clear comparison in the same words in all three places ( Mal 3,Rev 6 and Rev11)? There should be none, no doubt at all.
The words "after these things", or "After this I beheld" are not a problem in the least Mr. B.....John is just simply saying what he saw "Next" in the vision.
What he "Saw Next" were Those that "Will Stand" When Christ Appears.....When His Wrath Does Come...These Shall Stand....The 144,000 and The Church.
I agree completely, God's Wrath occurs After the rapture, Saints in Heaven and 144,000 protected on the earth through that Wrath.
Now here's where you must just think in terms of Eastern Forms and not those of the West that we are so stumbled by.
Eastern, Hebraic form is Repetitious. It overlays, expounds and enlarges upon previous words and statements. It's like Fabric woven together, a Word Tapestry.
Prophecy is so much the same.
Read the first chapter of Zechariah Mr. B. and take notice of how it is even given as an Intro to the Whole of what the rest of the Entire book involves.
To find an exact comparison to the Form or layout of Rev. among other Apocalyptic books is not possible though, and i'll tell you why.
There is a very close similarity in the Scroll, Horses, Two Witnesses, Temple (Spiritually) Built and so on between Zechariah and Revelation...very clear to see.
The big difference, and this is so important , "The Scroll", it became the major clue for my current understanding of the Revelation to John.
Note the Difference in the Scroll in Zechariah and the Revelation.....One is Closed....and the Other Becomes Opened
It doesn't start out Opened
. That's the key...WHEN IT DOES OPEN, That's "The Revelation" Expounded, "Laid Open" "Made Plain and Clear", "Made Known"!
That Book/Scroll that IS OPEN in the hand of the Mighty Angel at the end of Rev. 10 IS THE OPENED SCROLL.
When the seals are first spoken of in Rev 6, the Scroll is Still Closed, and Remains Closed until the SEVENTH SEAL is Broken.
That's Why Mr. B., That's Why seals 4-6 of Rev 6 is an Overview...Laid Over as a Condensed (ROLLED UP Tightly AS A Scroll)TIMESPAN, it Shares the Same Future Time as the Seven Trumpets.
And the Words of Rev 6"His Wrath is Come" and Rev 11 "HIs Wrath is Come" Share the Same TimeFrame in the Future.
The Wrath of God Does Not begin at Rev 7.....God's Wrath begins in REAL TIME when the Bowls/Vials are outpoured AFTER the Seventh (Last)
Trump.
Will add more later
This next part will answer your following questions....
Mr Baldy wrote:Shorty, I'm not so sure one should take the question: "Who shall be able to Stand?" in a literal sense. I think it's a Rhetorical Question. I think so because His Wrath has come! However, the 144,000 are sealed at that point; the Earth, Sea, and Trees are subsequently not harmed until they are Divinely protected, and then the Rapture occurs.
First, the question is to be understood in the same manner as the same words in Malachi 3 and in Rev 11. Of course it is understood as rhetorical, but even rhetorical questions are Answered In Some Form right? In our thoughts and minds they find an answer, they can also be answered by the layout of a text...such as is found in Malachi 3....please note the following...
Mal 3
1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for
he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:
3 And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi
, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.
As you can see by the following example ,the Answer to "Who Shall Stand" is Answered in the few following verses in Malachi 3.
Is there any doubt that there is a clear comparison in the same words in all three places ( Mal 3,Rev 6 and Rev11)? There should be none, no doubt at all.
The words "after these things", or "After this I beheld" are not a problem in the least Mr. B.....John is just simply saying what he saw "Next" in the vision.
What he "Saw Next" were Those that "Will Stand" When Christ Appears.....When His Wrath Does Come...These Shall Stand....The 144,000 and The Church.
Mr Baldy wrote:the 144,000 are sealed prior to His Wrath, and the Multitude subsequently appear in Heaven. This is very clear evidence that the Great Tribulation is still occurring; and the Church has been removed - save the 144, 000 who have to be Divinely protected in order to STAND.
I agree completely, God's Wrath occurs After the rapture, Saints in Heaven and 144,000 protected on the earth through that Wrath.
Now here's where you must just think in terms of Eastern Forms and not those of the West that we are so stumbled by.
Eastern, Hebraic form is Repetitious. It overlays, expounds and enlarges upon previous words and statements. It's like Fabric woven together, a Word Tapestry.
Prophecy is so much the same.
Read the first chapter of Zechariah Mr. B. and take notice of how it is even given as an Intro to the Whole of what the rest of the Entire book involves.
To find an exact comparison to the Form or layout of Rev. among other Apocalyptic books is not possible though, and i'll tell you why.
There is a very close similarity in the Scroll, Horses, Two Witnesses, Temple (Spiritually) Built and so on between Zechariah and Revelation...very clear to see.
The big difference, and this is so important , "The Scroll", it became the major clue for my current understanding of the Revelation to John.
Note the Difference in the Scroll in Zechariah and the Revelation.....One is Closed....and the Other Becomes Opened
It doesn't start out Opened
. That's the key...WHEN IT DOES OPEN, That's "The Revelation" Expounded, "Laid Open" "Made Plain and Clear", "Made Known"!
That Book/Scroll that IS OPEN in the hand of the Mighty Angel at the end of Rev. 10 IS THE OPENED SCROLL.
When the seals are first spoken of in Rev 6, the Scroll is Still Closed, and Remains Closed until the SEVENTH SEAL is Broken.
That's Why Mr. B., That's Why seals 4-6 of Rev 6 is an Overview...Laid Over as a Condensed (ROLLED UP Tightly AS A Scroll)TIMESPAN, it Shares the Same Future Time as the Seven Trumpets.
And the Words of Rev 6"His Wrath is Come" and Rev 11 "HIs Wrath is Come" Share the Same TimeFrame in the Future.
The Wrath of God Does Not begin at Rev 7.....God's Wrath begins in REAL TIME when the Bowls/Vials are outpoured AFTER the Seventh (Last)
Trump.
Will add more later