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1 Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship.
2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.
3 For through the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think more highly of himself than he ought to think; but to think so as to have sound judgment, as God has allotted to each a measure of faith.
4 For just as we have many members in one body and all the members do not have the same function,
5 so we, who are many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another.
6 Since we have gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, each of us is to exercise them accordingly: if prophecy, according to the proportion of his faith;
7 if service, in his serving; or he who teaches, in his teaching;
8 or he who exhorts, in his exhortation; he who gives, with liberality; he who leads, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness.
9 Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil; cling to what is good.
10 Be devoted to one another in brotherly love; give preference to one another in honor;
11 not lagging behind in diligence, fervent in spirit, serving the Lord;
12 rejoicing in hope, persevering in tribulation, devoted to prayer,
13 contributing to the needs of the saints, practicing hospitality.
14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse.
15 Rejoice with those who rejoice, and weep with those who weep.
16 Be of the same mind toward one another; do not be haughty in mind, but associate with the lowly. Do not be wise in your own estimation.
17 Never pay back evil for evil to anyone. Respect what is right in the sight of all men.
18 If possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all men.
19 Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord.
20 “But if your enemy is hungry, feed him, and if he is thirsty, give him a drink; for in so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.”
21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
1 Therefore if there is any encouragement in Christ, if there is any consolation of love, if there is any fellowship of the Spirit, if any affection and compassion,
2 make my joy complete by being of the same mind, maintaining the same love, united in spirit, intent on one purpose.
3 Do nothing from selfishness or empty conceit, but with humility of mind regard one another as more important than yourselves;
4 do not merely look out for your own personal interests, but also for the interests of others.
5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus,
6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,
7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.
8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
When someone demonstrates their dedication to winning the debate, what are they really saying about them self? Can I simply express the truth, then allow others to tear me down without need for defense? Can I allow others their own agendas, without insisting on importing mine? Can I simply share Scripture, and allow the Holy Spirit to either quicken their understanding or not?
mark s wrote: One can debate with the pure motives of learning truth, and sharing truth, and one can debate with the fleshly motives of proving to everyone that they have the answer, and are the more clever writer. One is what I can give to you, the other is what I can take for myself.
mark s wrote:If we are living the love of Jesus, His love is our love, and we love one another. And this love we have for each other, described so eloquently in Scripture, patient, kind, slow to anger, keeping no record of wrongs, seeking not its own, and so much more, this defines our words and tone, and our behaviors. It defines our agenda, because if we love, we serve. And that serving will reflect not only in what we do, but how we do it, and how little we gather to ourselves as we do it.
One can debate with the pure motives of learning truth, and sharing truth, and one can debate with the fleshly motives of proving to everyone that they have the answer, and are the more clever writer. One is what I can give to you, the other is what I can take for myself.
mark s wrote:I think that if we truly love, then speaking the truth in love will come quite naturally to us. It will be the expression of our love.
Abiding in His Word wrote:One can debate with the pure motives of learning truth, and sharing truth, and one can debate with the fleshly motives of proving to everyone that they have the answer, and are the more clever writer. One is what I can give to you, the other is what I can take for myself.
Can we really know who's doing what or why? After all, not every believer is at the same level of maturity in any one of the fruit of the Spirit. Shouldn't that be taken into consideration?
Does this scripture apply?
Some, to be sure, are preaching Christ even from envy and strife, but some also from good will; the latter do it out of love, knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel; the former proclaim Christ out of selfish ambition rather than from pure motives, thinking to cause me distress in my imprisonment. What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed; and in this I rejoice. Yes, and I will rejoice....Philippians 1:15-18
Tevye wrote:mark s wrote:I think that if we truly love, then speaking the truth in love will come quite naturally to us. It will be the expression of our love.
I hope my whole life will be found in that kind of love...
someday...Lord willing...this will be what I'm known for,
in everything I say and do. I desire to have His kind of love,
because in every situation of life perfect love cast out fear,
and the Lord knows we need that in every part of our life.
How would you apply this to the current discussion?
mark s wrote:It's been often reported that the Apostle John would tell the church, "Love each other. If you can do this, it is enough."
Abiding in His Word wrote:While speaking the truth in love is surely the ultimate way to do so, we should nevertheless rejoice in the fact that the truth is being spoken and understand that there is still some fruit that needs to grow.
I think that to be able to respond to someone in selfless love when they are specifically self-serving, abrasive, and even abusive, requires a true love that comes from the mind of Christ.
Tevye wrote:It's like
If I write with the tongues of men or of angels but have not love
then I am but a resounding gong, or clanging cymbal....
The messsage one is sharing may get through
but the love which changes us in our hearts is not there for the other
to take hold of, when sharing the truth, and therefore it becomes fruitless.
Abiding in His Word wrote:
When the Spirit of Truth comes....you will be guided into all truth.
1 Therefore I, the prisoner of the Lord, implore you to walk in a manner worthy of the calling with which you have been called,
2 with all humility and gentleness, with patience, showing tolerance for one another in love,
3 being diligent to preserve the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling;
5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.
7 But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ’s gift.
8 Therefore it says, “When He ascended on high, He led captive a host of captives,And He gave gifts to men.”
9 (Now this expression, “He ascended,” what does it mean except that He also had descended into the lower parts of the earth?
10 He who descended is Himself also He who ascended far above all the heavens, so that He might fill all things.)
11 And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers,
12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ;
13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.
14 As a result, we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming;
15 but speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into Him who is the head, even Christ,
16 from whom the whole body, being fitted and held together by what every joint supplies, according to the proper working of each individual part, causes the growth of the body for the building up of itself in love.
17 So this I say, and affirm together with the Lord, that you walk no longer just as the Gentiles also walk, in the futility of their mind,
18 being darkened in their understanding, excluded from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardness of their heart;
19 and they, having become callous, have given themselves over to sensuality for the practice of every kind of impurity with greediness.
20 But you did not learn Christ in this way,
21 if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught in Him, just as truth is in Jesus,
22 that, in reference to your former manner of life, you lay aside the old self, which is being corrupted in accordance with the lusts of deceit,
23 and that you be renewed in the spirit of your mind,
24 and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth.
25 Therefore, laying aside falsehood, speak truth each one of you with his neighbor, for we are members of one another.
26 Be angry, and yet do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger,
27 and do not give the devil an opportunity.
28 He who steals must steal no longer; but rather he must labor, performing with his own hands what is good, so that he will have something to share with one who has need.
29 Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear.
30 Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
31 Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice.
32 Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.
Resurrection Torchlight wrote:Actually there is more to the context than just correcting false doctrine:
The reason we need to act in love toward one another is to preserve the unity of the Spirit that bonds us as believers together in the body of Christ. God gives some with particular talents to equip the body for service which in turn builds up the body, that "building" of the body is in reality the process of our sanctification (vs.13). The result of this sanctification is found in verse 14, we will no longer behave as spiritual "children" who are influenced by every wind of doctrine. This is the result of speaking the truth in love- sanctification, spiritual growth toward maturity that leads one into understanding the true doctrines of God's word.
Speaking truth in love can concern false doctrine, it also concerns dealing with sin according to verses 21-27, the context is laying aside the old self and putting on the new self. Laying aside "falsehood" and speaking the truth with our neighbor, not in anger but with words that edify (vs 26-29). Verses 31 and 32 elaborate on how not to behave and how to behave when dealing with one another do not act in bitterness, anger or malice or with shouting or slander, but be kind, compassionate and forgiving.
I think this passage especially speaks to those who are given to equip the saints, those who are apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers. Those who have a place of authority in the body of Christ, who are charged with speaking the truth to those who are less mature in their faith so that they can be built up and edified, and grow in sanctification.
Unfortunately from my experience and others that I know, it is often the case that those who are in those positions within our local churches, often are children in their understanding and in need of being equipped themselves. They are sometimes in no position to be speaking the truth, because they don't really understand it , or they cannot deliver it in a manner as is described above because they are too immature spiritually themselves. Being able to speak the truth in love is a sign of spiritual maturity, those whose job it is to disseminate the truth should be further along on the path to sanctification so that they no longer behave like spiritual "children". I believe that the state of our churches today especially those that have fallen prey to the "seeker sensitive" and church growth models, perpetuate spiritual immaturity among the ranks of believers, so that those who are put into places of authority not by God but by men, are unable to behave with the maturity it takes to truly speak the truth in love. So instead they react in all the ways this passage says not to act in.
This is not to say that those who are not put in these leadership positions don't have a responsibility to act in love as well. Every believer must strive to act in love in their dealings toward others. Ultimately each one is responsible for their own spiritual health, and if we truly desire to follow Christ, He will see to our sanctification. Love is part of that process, as we mature in Christ we grow in His love and in our ability to speak the truth in love to others. If we find that we are having trouble speaking the truth in love, then it is probably better that we don't speak at all and leave the speaking of it to those who can do so with the love of Christ.
Abiding in His Word wrote:..............................................
I agree with this entirely....providing "speaking the truth in love" is not used in this passage to support pointing out one anothers' sin.
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