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On the monuments being pulled down and destroyed

Postby Loop on Sun Jun 21, 2020 1:04 pm

I've talked to my husband before about this when all those places in the middle East was being torn down and destroyed by ISIS and their cronies about whether or not that maybe people were worshiping those places and statue's ect. That maybe God was using them to get rid of things that are being worshiped..
And now here in the US they are tearing down statues/monuments even though they have nothing to do with what they are protesting about... Could they be considered "gods" and is maybe that why they are being torn down.. Not that the protestors are worshiping them but … … not sure if I'm explaining myself right... That God himself is "using" these protestors to get rid of them... If they could be termed as gods...

I know I've been so aggravated over stuff being destroyed "The monuments" which belong to all of the US citizens, and I've wondered am I wrong in being so furious at people who are destroying stuff that isn't theirs exclusively... Could they be considered gods..

Wasn't sure where to put this question... What do you think and why yes or no... :bag:

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Re: On the monuments being pulled down and destroyed

Postby Jay Ross on Sun Jun 21, 2020 1:25 pm

Hello Loop

You have asked a very good question concerning the installation of statues of people, often even before they are dead.

In the city that I live in, they have erected three statues to three to three great players of the dominate sport that is played within the stadium built for the sport that these three people played over the last thirty or so years. These players were worshipped by the followers of this game, particularly by the club members that these players played for.

The statues were erected as a tribute to the three players. I have often thought that the administering body for the sport played by these players had replaced the "church" in becoming the moral compass for the society in which we lived.

During this period the church had lost its mantle of being a moral beacon with the level of bastardisation that became prominent within the leadership of the churches where often children were groomed to satisfy the debased desires of the leadership within all of the churches within our nation. My country/nation was not the only country/nation where this was occurring. The people were looking for something to replace the "church" with and sporting legends become the replacement "deities" that they could worship. Even "pastors/reverend" "gentlemen" within the "church" were being worshipped by their respective congregations without the erecting of statues being necessary.

So Loop, your question is very relevant.

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Re: On the monuments being pulled down and destroyed

Postby Jericho on Sun Jun 21, 2020 4:38 pm

Loop wrote:I've talked to my husband before about this when all those places in the middle East was being torn down and destroyed by ISIS and their cronies about whether or not that maybe people were worshiping those places and statue's ect. That maybe God was using them to get rid of things that are being worshiped..


Funny you should mention that because I call them the American Taliban. Do I think these statues are being worshiped like gods? No, nobody prays to them or bows down to them. In fact, most normal people go about their lives without giving them a second thought. It's only the radical left that has a problem with them and wants to erase history. Ironically, the democrats were the pro-slavery party back then.

I am not pro-Confederacy, if that is actually a thing, but I object to them being torn down. For, one it's vandalism. There's a right way and wrong way to go about removing statues and that's not it. Second, it's part of Southern heritage and American history, like it or not it happened. Every one of those Confederate soldiers were pardoned and died as U.S. citizens. And third, they will come for the Founding Fathers statues next because many of them were also slave owners. Actually, they already have.
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Re: On the monuments being pulled down and destroyed

Postby Loop on Sun Jun 21, 2020 6:37 pm

Do I think these statues are being worshiped like gods? No, nobody prays to them or bows down to them.


But is it possible to still worship them without the bow down or praying to them, I've seen so many who seem to worship movie star's and the such without actually bowing an praying it seems to me.. Like I said, I've been so furious about different statue's being torn down even myself, ones I've never been around, I love art and have wanted to go see a lot of what is being done away with, "our history", sometimes I just worry … Dear hubby says I shouldn't let it worry me but it does...
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Re: On the monuments being pulled down and destroyed

Postby WOODHENOT3 on Mon Jun 22, 2020 3:14 am

I don't see anyone worshipping the statues, especially in Washington DC. Many statues are about history, You find them all in your history books. Should the libraries be destroyed too? The statues that should be destroyed is in the catholic church or in Italy. There are so many statues in Italy that people worship and pray to... a lot of idols...

Society today needs to grow up...
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Re: On the monuments being pulled down and destroyed

Postby mark s on Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:19 am

Loop wrote:I know I've been so aggravated over stuff being destroyed "The monuments" which belong to all of the US citizens, and I've wondered am I wrong in being so furious at people who are destroying stuff that isn't theirs exclusively...


Hi Loop,

I don't see them that way myself, as gods. And I don't really find that I care one way or the other about these statues, only, they are not respecting the rule of law. But then there's a lot of that going around!

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ειπεν αυτη ο ιησους εγω ειμι η αναστασις και η ζωη ο πιστευων εις εμε καν αποθανη ζησεται
. . . saying to her Jesus, I AM the resurrection and the life, the one believing into Me even dying shall live . . .
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Re: On the monuments being pulled down and destroyed

Postby Jericho on Mon Jun 22, 2020 11:35 am

Loop wrote:But is it possible to still worship them without the bow down or praying to them


Maybe, but I still don't see it. Now if people flocked to these statues and gave their adoration to it, maybe that would be a different story.

Mark S wrote:And I don't really find that I care one way or the other about these statues, only, they are not respecting the rule of law.


That is exactly why we should care. There's too much lawlessness going on and that is not going to be good for anyone.
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Re: On the monuments being pulled down and destroyed

Postby Mr Baldy on Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:00 am

Loop wrote:I've been so aggravated over stuff being destroyed "The monuments" which belong to all of the US citizens, and I've wondered am I wrong in being so furious at people who are destroying stuff that isn't theirs exclusively... Could they be considered gods..


Hi Loop -

If I can provide a different perspective from some of the views that have been mentioned thus far.....

Has anyone considered "WHY" so many people are demanding to take down these monuments?

*These monuments don't reflect the views of "All US Citizens."

So far, from what I have seen there have been many one dimensional views as it relates to these monuments. Most say that it's their "heritage" or "a part of American Culture." Well, I've talked to a few people concerning this matter. People of different races.

For some, they mentioned that yes it is a part of American History - but should never be considered "heritage" and since what the monuments represented during that time in history is not only offensive; derogatory; racist; Anti-American because the South wanted to secede from the Union to form the Confederate States of America and defend it's right to own and keep slaves. In this case it represents White Supremacy - that no one has mentioned. Additionally, it's not about Democrat or Republican. This particular group of people agree with American History should not be erased - but these monuments should be placed in a museum or literature pertaining to this era in time, should be in a library and not put out for public display for what they represent to a lot of Americans. An example of this would be if there was a monument of Hitler erected in Countries of the European Union - manly Germany. Therefore, if the monuments are offensive to some Americans - then perhaps History should be preserved in a proper location verses in areas that appear to be still "sending a message."

For others - the monuments are highly offensive in that they feel it's a constant reminder of "oppression; slavery; White Supremacy; systemic racism; bigotry; hatred; lynching's; segregation; and mostly division - in that some don't want to realize that America is a plethora of races of people and these monuments should not be a daily reminder of how one race of people owned; dominated; degraded; and felt superior over others. An example that was given was the statue of Theodore Roosevelt riding on a horse - having a slave on his left; and an American Indian on his right - both were symbolized as walking, while he was seated elevated on the horse.

My take on this is - I believe the monuments should be preserved, but not in the direct view of the public. They are a part of American History which should never be forgotten - so in my opinion perhaps a museum would be the proper place. I am a Christian - a believer in Christ. Anything that offends others should be taken into consideration when viewing how we should worship; honor and adore our Savior - as He is no respecter of persons, and our views and the way we live should reflect or demonstrate our Faith and what we Believe. Scripture is Clear on this. When we begin to erect statutes - it is a form of Worship, whether we personally bow down before them, or indirectly honor them because of human accomplishments. It's an act of adoration - and has no place in a Christians life.

In closing - we are ALL people. We represent the Body of Christ for those of us who are Believers. God is Spirit. He has no Shape; Form or Physical Body - and when He appeared on Earth - He could have come in any Race He chose. I think people don't consider that. God chose to reveal Himself to us in His Son Jesus - where the FULNESS of the Godhead dwells bodily (Colossians 2:9) - but even that Physical Body He has absolutely cannot contain Him. Jesus Christ is the ONLY God we will ever see. It has not appeared what we shall be like in Eternity - but we will know when He Appears; for we shall be like Him, and see Him as He is. (1 John 3:2)

So all this focus on race; monuments; and things that divide us as a Nation - should NEVER factor in our lives if it doesn't reflect the life we believe and live in Christ Jesus.
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Re: On the monuments being pulled down and destroyed

Postby keithareilly on Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:04 am

Mr. Baldy,


The following video shows Black Lives Matter founder confessing to be trained Marxists.
BLM founder admits they are trained Marxists

The strategy of Evil is: In the name of doing Good, deceive people into supporting Evil.

So, what are we witnessing?
In the name of doing Good, that is, opposing racism and treating people with equality, people are being deceived into supporting Evil, that is, remove the history of freedom's progress, defunding the police so that community based Marxist organizations can, officially, take over policing the people, and eliminate God by burning down the churches.
That is what we are witnessing.

Truth is what sets us free; Deception is what enslaves us.
We must be clever as serpents; innocent as doves.
Lest we also be deceived into supporting Evil in the name of Good.

Ephesians 6:12
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.

Did not God set the Jews free from slavery?
Did not Christ die to set us free from slavery to sin?
Is not this fight one of the fights against the powers, world forces of Darkness, forces that want us re-enslaved to their agenda instead of God's agenda?

Yes. It is our fight. We must spread the truth, for only the truth sets us free.

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Re: On the monuments being pulled down and destroyed

Postby WOODHENOT3 on Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:18 pm

Amen Keith!

Great statement you've made, I agree... We have to keep our focus on Christ and not be deceived....
The strategy of Evil is: In the name of doing Good, deceive people into supporting Evil.


That is so True....

BTW: I toured many times in the Washington Monument and there are many wonderful Bible scriptures along the walls while going up in the elevator....I thought it was a beautiful thing...

Many blessings!!!
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Re: On the monuments being pulled down and destroyed

Postby keithareilly on Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:11 pm

Thanks :blessyou:
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Re: On the monuments being pulled down and destroyed

Postby Jericho on Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:25 pm

keithareilly wrote:So, what are we witnessing?
In the name of doing Good, that is, opposing racism and treating people with equality, people are being deceived into supporting Evil, that is, remove the history of freedom's progress, defunding the police so that community based Marxist organizations can, officially, take over policing the people, and eliminate God by burning down the churches.
That is what we are witnessing.


Correct. It's not really about racism or slavery or whatever, that's just a pretext. Oh I'm sure many of those doing this believe that, but they are for lack of a better word useful idiots. That's not being derogative that's telling the truth. They are being used and they don't realize it. If you have noticed they have moved beyond Confederate statues and are now targeting presidents. Including Abraham Lincoln, the man who actually freed the slaves. They even want to remove the presidents on Mount Rushmore. If you want to know what's really going on then look then no further than the 45 Communist Goals:

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the “common man.”

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the “big picture.” Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use [“]united force[“] to solve economic, political or social problems.

They want people to hate America so they will turn on it and destroy it. Then they can rule over the rubble and remake it into their socialist utopia.
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Re: On the monuments being pulled down and destroyed

Postby keithareilly on Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:38 am

Hi Jericho,


Matthew 5:15
nor does anyone light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house.

Glad you chose to shed light instead of hide.

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Re: On the monuments being pulled down and destroyed

Postby ToledoDebbie on Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:54 pm

Maybe, just maybe, since their attempt to create their "One World Government" with the "Climate Change" agenda wasn't working fast enough, this new tactic of "race riots and getting rid of police" was rolled out to speed up the process. Unwittingly, Trump did cause all of this by winning the election and halting and in some cases destroying all of their plans. He survived all of the media and congressional attacks, reduced taxes and eliminated unnecessary regulations, actually improved the economy, reduced unemployment, tried to stop illegal immigration and solved many other problems including re-building the military and fixing the VA among many others. The "Globalists" have spent at least a decade creating all of these problems so they could create "hell" in America, making their takeover easier. When President Trump was elected I was skeptical. As he continued to accomplish so many good things at a breakneck pace, in spite the constant attacks, I became much more supportive. Now I believe, we waited to long and it is too late to stop them. The spider-web of corruption is too pervasive. From a Prophetic perspective, we are watching all of the words of prophecy occur before our eyes.
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Re: On the monuments being pulled down and destroyed

Postby Loop on Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:19 pm

Now I believe, we waited to long and it is too late to stop them. The spider-web of corruption is too pervasive. From a Prophetic perspective, we are watching all of the words of prophecy occur before our eyes.


I agree.
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Re: On the monuments being pulled down and destroyed

Postby Ready1 on Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:53 am

Maybe.

While the protest power is hard to stop while it is happening, there is not much forward thinking regarding true governance after the fact. E.g.: the police have gone in and retaken the area in Seattle because of ineptness and foolishness of those at the center of the protest and their inability to provide actual solutions in the long term.

It is a powerful movement however and this may just be a precursor to more and stronger protests. It is definitely anti-Christian which ultimately makes it anti-Christ. However, if someone with great ideas showed up who was able to "control" it... :grin:

Whew, how did we get here?
Just observing.

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Re: On the monuments being pulled down and destroyed

Postby Jericho on Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:33 pm

Ready1 wrote:While the protest power is hard to stop while it is happening, there is not much forward thinking regarding true governance after the fact. E.g.: the police have gone in and retaken the area in Seattle because of ineptness and foolishness of those at the center of the protest and their inability to provide actual solutions in the long term.


It's a lot easier to destroy than build. It ironic that all the things the protestors in Seattle were supposedly against was happening in Chaz:racism, oppression, building a wall, deportations, etc. I said from day one it was unsustainable. I hope everything we've seen between the virus and how it was handled to the riots and protests are a wake up call for Americans. Who we vote for matters.
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