How is the Holy Spirit preparing you for the trib?

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Postby njfishwatchTurkey&Isr on Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:05 pm

linda,

Welcome to the board!

Why do you want to stay alive so bad?


If I can feed someone right now don't you think that is a better use of money than storing up for the future?

Luk 12:22 And He said to His disciples, "For this reason I say to you, do not worry about {your} life, {as to} what you will eat; nor for your body, {as to} what you will put on.
Luk 12:23 "For life is more than food, and the body more than clothing.
Luk 12:24 "Consider the ravens, for they neither sow nor reap; they have no storeroom nor barn, and {yet} God feeds them; how much more valuable you are than the birds!
Luk 12:25 "And which of you by worrying can add a {single} hour to his life's span?
Luk 12:26 "If then you cannot do even a very little thing, why do you worry about other matters?
Luk 12:27 "Consider the lilies, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin; but I tell you, not even Solomon in all his glory clothed himself like one of these.
Luk 12:28 "But if God so clothes the grass in the field, which is {alive} today and tomorrow is thrown into the furnace, how much more {will He clothe} you? You men of little faith!
Luk 12:29 "And do not seek what you will eat and what you will drink, and do not keep worrying.
Luk 12:30 "For all these things the nations of the world eagerly seek; but your Father knows that you need these things.
Luk 12:31 "But seek His kingdom, and these things will be added to you.
Luk 12:32 "Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has chosen gladly to give you the kingdom.
Luk 12:33 "Sell your possessions and give to charity; make yourselves money belts which do not wear out, an unfailing treasure in heaven, where no thief comes near nor moth destroys.
Luk 12:34 "For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
Luk 12:35 "Be dressed in readiness, and {keep} your lamps lit.
Luk 12:36 "Be like men who are waiting for their master when he returns from the wedding feast, so that they may immediately open {the door} to him when he comes and knocks.
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Why prepare?

Postby coconut_meadows on Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:22 am

Thanks for the welcome everyone. :)

Why do I want to stay alive so bad?
hmmm....
I imagine most people want to stay alive,
and I think starving to death might be one of the worst ways to die.

I'm not acting in fear and I'm not worrying,
I'm just preparing.
I'm also preparing for my child and aging parents.
I think Proverbs is full of scriptures about how it is our
obligation to take care of our families and plan ahead.

Remember,
God made the sparrow who doesn't store up,
but he also gave us ants and squirrels who do.
It just depends what is appropriate for the given situation.
Sometimes God performs miracles,
and sometimes he gives us warnings and asks us to be
faithful servants and prepare.

He warned Noah about the flood -- he gave him 120 years warning
actually. Noah built a "tribulation retreat -- aka Ark". Didn't Noah
store up enough food for all the animals? Imagine all that work!

Why didn't God drop food miraculously from heaven like he did for
the Israelites in the desert? Different situations. The Israelites
weren't told to lug bags of food with them into the desert, and couldn't
have done so if they had wanted to. They were nomads moving around
in tents.

God told Joseph to store up 7 years worth of grain.

And God has told us to watch for the signs of the time. He has
given us notice.

What I'm posting below is borrowed from another website:

Faith is appealed to when a harmful situation takes us
suddenly or forcefully beyond our control. But if we see the trap
from a distance and walk right into it, why should God deliver us
as opposed to teaching us a good lesson for our irresponsibility?
No one who has read the prophecies can deny that the Bible has
shown a tribulation period awaiting end-time Christians "in the
distance." It requires us, therefore, to prepare for it in order to
avoid its iron teeth, and not to foolishly step foot into its jaws with
the huge assumption that God will deliver. Would it not have been
testing God if Jesus had stepped off the Temple wall if he then
depended on God on the way down to save him?


www.tribwatch.com/panhand.htm

As far as giving away all my money now for the hungry?
I do give a portion of money to charity already and I'm not going to stop doing that.

But why not cut back on some of my "extras" right now, like
entertainment, going out for dinner, pricey vacations ... and stock up on
staples like wheat and beans.
Imagine how much basic simple foods I could store up for the price of a
trip to Disneyland? I believe we should be good stewards of our money.
I'm not going to buy those expensive freeze-dried emergency
preparations. I'll buy bulk food and simple foods which are inexpensive.
This is being wise with my money. I'm not going to have a 7-year
supply of Twinkies on hand ... lol ...

In fact, if you start learning how to prepare you own food from scratch
and bulk supplies right now (ie. bake bread, cook beans) then you'll
save a ton of money right now. That means more money to give away
to poor now or to save up for more food to help your family and to help other christians later.

... make sense? ...
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Postby looktree on Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:13 pm

My moms family is made of preachers and bible scholars.

I grew up being told the Lord was soon to return
and that they had to get their house in order.

I recall my greatgrandmother Richy(Richardson)
saying this as I sat with her being fasinated with her hands.
She died when I was 7 so I know I was really young.
That was 1960!!

From my first vision till present I have felt that
I most certainly would be here to help others
less capable than I.

Thru the years I have always been callled
to be of good health for this reason.
like if I stared eating bad foods within a week
or two I would see me with precise urgency
moving people and making up cozy beds.
and securing the house.
To me this was a sign I needed to heathy.

Today I have approx. ten blankets, 8 comforters,
a feather bed and tons of pillows.
I have loaded up my daughters and all my grandkids
with each atlleast one down comf., a reg. comf.,
a quilt and two pilllows.

In my stock plans I have antibiotic cream,
Nuprin 8-),extra eye glasses,cribnotes of scripture,
Peanut butter,crackers,the tuna and samon and chicken
that comes in the bags,dried fruit,nuts,and
cans of sardines so far.

My entire family is here with land and ponds and creeks
and livestock and gardens.
God brought me here ,kicking and screeming,
I might add,
fron KCMO 8/1989 and my girls were soon to folllow.
I now know why.

In my vision the water is contaminated
and the power lines are down so
there are no utiities from pretty early on .

I have seen the unprepaired come to my house.
I wecome them.
It is at this point that I believe if I run out
that God will provide.

I have seen and heard black evil appearing choppers
low over my house and
seen men in back Arab-like drape,
with only eyes showing,with very long guns.
I have not seen past this.
Maybe this is because I am no longer here?

This is a reoccuring dream
starting approx. 10 years ago.

If faced with the sword I think I will start singing
amazing grace or thank you for saving my soul.


l hope I learn to tell my stories with less words !!
Do I hear an :a3:
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Postby njfishwatchTurkey&Isr on Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:30 pm

Linda,

It makes sense...i used to think exactly the same way.

But I believe totally differently now. It will not be a time of survival.

anything you buy or store up will likely be taken. You won't be able to buy or sell---property taxes etc...

Noah was told to prepare because he needed to survive...

Yes, we should be wise with our money--not spending most on entertainment etc...However, many people often use the line of thought you just presented as an excuse to invest for retirement etc...which is the way of the world.

Luk 16:7 "Then he said to another, 'And how much do you owe?' And he said, 'A hundred measures of wheat.' He *said to him, 'Take your bill, and write eighty.'
Luk 16:8 "And his master praised the unrighteous manager because he had acted shrewdly; for the sons of this age are more shrewd in relation to their own kind than the sons of light.
Luk 16:9 "And I say to you, make friends for yourselves by means of the wealth of unrighteousness, so that when it fails, they will receive you into the eternal dwellings.
Luk 16:10 "He who is faithful in a very little thing is faithful also in much; and he who is unrighteous in a very little thing is unrighteous also in much.
Luk 16:11 "Therefore if you have not been faithful in the {use of} unrighteous wealth, who will entrust the true {riches} to you?
Luk 16:12 "And if you have not been faithful in {the use of} that which is another's, who will give you that which is your own?
Luk 16:13 "No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth."
Luk 16:14 Now the Pharisees, who were lovers of money, were listening to all these things and were scoffing at Him.


There is no point in surviving at that time for the sake of survival--it is the end...you will likely be beheaded anyway.


this is the pet peeve I have with myself. I should not be renting a movie when i can feed a hungry person with that money. we are consumed with materialism in America.

If you store up food while people are starving because you believe the end is near and the end is still a ways off, were you a good steward?

Believe me when I say this applies to me more than anyone. I am just trying to generate thought.
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Good Steward

Postby coconut_meadows on Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:53 pm

If you store up food while people are starving because
you believe the end is near and the end is still a ways off, were
you a good steward?

Believe me when I say this applies to me more than anyone.
I am just trying to generate thought.


I will use what I store up whether or not the 'end' comes.
The food will not go to waste.
I have been using whole grains with my own grain mill for a few
years now, and I cook all my beans from scratch.

John 12

5 Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and
given to the poor?

6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he
was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.

7 Then said Jesus, Let her alone: against the day of my burying
hath she kept this.

8 For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always.


The poor are always here. Jesus never said that we shouldn't
take care of ourselves and prepare to have enough food for our
own families. He gave us the responsibility to care for our families
first, and then for the rest of the world.

And there will certainly be hungry people during the great
tribulation that will appreciate that I saved up when I did.

You seem sure that we will all be beheaded. But the bible doesn't say
this. The number will be huge, but there will be many christians alive
when he returns -- he is going to cut those days short for that precise
purpose. In fact, some christian women will be grinding grain the day
he returns, and some christian men will be working in the field the day
he returns --- it doesn't sound like all of them are in prison, or hiding in
the woods for fear of getting their heads chopped off -- it sound like
they are focused on growing food and preparing meals.
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Postby njfishwatchTurkey&Isr on Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:43 pm

Linda,

Your line of reasoning is logical however you are taking way too many passages out of context:

parable of virgins
poor will always be here

Yes we are to take care of our families but Jesus directly spoke of storing up:

Luk 12:22 And He said to His disciples, "For this reason I say to you, do not worry about {your} life, {as to} what you will eat; nor for your body, {as to} what you will put on.
Luk 12:23 "For life is more than food, and the body more than clothing.
Luk 12:24 "Consider the ravens, for they neither sow nor reap; they have no storeroom nor barn, and {yet} God feeds them; how much more valuable you are than the birds!
Luk 12:25 "And which of you by worrying can add a {single} hour to his life's span?
Luk 12:26 "If then you cannot do even a very little thing, why do you worry about other matters?
Luk 12:27 "Consider the lilies, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin; but I tell you, not even Solomon in all his glory clothed himself like one of these.
Luk 12:28 "But if God so clothes the grass in the field, which is {alive} today and tomorrow is thrown into the furnace, how much more {will He clothe} you? You men of little faith!
Luk 12:29 "And do not seek what you will eat and what you will drink, and do not keep worrying.
Luk 12:30 "For all these things the nations of the world eagerly seek; but your Father knows that you need these things.
Luk 12:31 "But seek His kingdom, and these things will be added to you.
Luk 12:32 "Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has chosen gladly to give you the kingdom.
Luk 12:33 "Sell your possessions and give to charity; make yourselves money belts which do not wear out, an unfailing treasure in heaven, where no thief comes near nor moth destroys.
Luk 12:34 "For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
Luk 12:35 "Be dressed in readiness, and {keep} your lamps lit.
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Postby coconut_meadows on Thu Aug 03, 2006 4:36 pm

I respect your interpretation,
but this is the way I see it:

Luk 12:24 "Consider the ravens, for they neither sow nor reap; they have no storeroom


Ravens don't sow fields or reap crops or store food ---
Jesus isn't saying that man isn't supposed to grow his food, reap the
harvest, or store up the harvest.

Luk 12:27 "Consider the lilies, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin; but I tell you, not even Solomon in all his glory clothed himself like one of these.


Lillies don't toil (work) and they don't spin (sew) their garments.
Jesus isn't saying that man should not work or sew clothes.

The bible clearly shows that we are to plant, water, sew, and store up
food.

The point is that God can and does provide miraculously
when he chooses to.

The point is that if God is directing you to change your career,
or give up something for his ministry, then you need to trust
him that he will work it out and give you a way to meet your needs.

If we are seeking the Kingdom of God and then learn in His Word
that he warns us that a time is coming where we won't be able to
buy and sell,
then we need to trust that he will find a way for us to get to a safe
place and a way to store up or find food for our family.
If we know the time is near and he has given us the means to buy
than we should buy now.
If we don't have the means to buy now, then we need to trust that
he will prepare a way -- he will provide the money if we seek him,
or he will provide another person who has extra provision to share
with us.

I still don't know how I am going to be able to get a remote piece
of land, but I'm not worrying because my God is rich,
and he will provide if I am seeking his face and his kingdom.

We aren't supposed to be worriers -- we can prepare as long as we
aren't worrying and as long as we don't think we are in charge.
The Lord is in charge of everything, and what we do with our
hands isn't eternal.

In regards to tribulation preparation, we should not be living in fear.
If at the moment we can see no way of saving or storing,
we should not fear as long as we are seeking God's will and protection.
If he then presents a way for us to nourish and protect our families
during that time, we should take that opportunity and not just expect
him to pour manna out of heaven when the time comes.

God does miracles,
and we shouldn't be worrying,
but a good steward works with his own hands,
he sews, he reaps, he spins, he toils
and he stores.

In brief, Jesus said that worry or anxiety is ill-advised because life is far more important than just what we eat or drink. He said that worry cannot alter whatever situation we may be in, and that worry or anxiety is a characteristic of the pagan world. Regarding life He said: " . . . Be not afraid of them that kill the body and after that have no more that they can do. But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell [gehenna fire]; yea, I say unto you, Fear him" (Luke 12:4–5). Jesus emphasized the importance of seeking the Kingdom of God as the primary goal in life. Then our physical needs will be met.


Being overly concerned about tomorrow often stands in the way of what one may be doing today. This is why Jesus said: "Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof" (Matt. 6:34). In brief, there are generally enough problems today, so that there is no need to make the situation worse. This text refers, of course, to excessive worry. We all need to plan for the future the Bible makes this plain in the book of Proverbs. "Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise: Which having no guide, overseer, or ruler, Provideth her meat in the summer, and gathereth her food in the harvest. How long wilt thou sleep, O sluggard? when wilt thou arise out of thy sleep? Yet a little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to sleep. So shall thy poverty come as one that travelleth, and thy want as an armed man" (Prov. 6:6–11). But excessive concern or worry is completely unnecessary Christ said. He expressed the importance of man even in respect to sparrows when He said: "Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father. But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows" (Matt. 10:29–31).


www.bethelcog.org/CL_sevenreasonsnotoworry.htm
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Postby Rick on Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:15 am

I grew up Baptist and Pre-Trib, but it always bothered me that I never saw a “definitive” passage of Scripture that taught Pre-Trib – even tho there are many scriptures that teach just the opposite.

But, to be honest, the thought of the consequences of Post-Trib were so horrifying, I guess I was “willfully ignorant.”

But the End Times are so obvious that I spent a lot of time studying Prophesy, mostly in the Old Testament. And I asked God to reveal it all to me – come what may. One day I opened my Bible and this verse leaped from the page:

“Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – Jer. 33:3

(BTW, according to Satanic numerology, 333 is very “Anti-Christ.” If you see Jeremiah as the 2nd book of prophesy, 2 X 333 = 666. This jumped out at me too. I understood this to mean that God would reveal things about the End that I had not previously understood – which is what I was asking for.)

I took Him at His Word, and determined to believe the Bible for what it said, and do my best to filter out the teachings of men.

What God showed from that point is that Pre-Trib is a lie, deliberately designed to neutralize the Church.

But there is more. Daniel 7:23 states that the last World Empire would Devour, Crush, and Trample the whole Earth – before the Anti-Christ even appears on the scene. The Kings of the Empire would then give their power to the Man of Sin. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see this Empire already coming together.

This says to me that there will be a great deal of death, suffering, and persecution before the Mark is even instituted. Indeed, there are reports of US Military personnel stating that once the New World Order is in place, Christians will be taken to the camps and brutally raped and tortured, and then sacrificed to Satan in order to bring forth the Anti-Christ.

Bible Prophesy and Current Events are coming together.

Obviously, no one wants to hear this, and few Americans want to believe Nero / Nazi style torture would happen to them. It’s much more pleasant to cling to Total Escape. My old Paster just smiled and said he would be Raptured.

When I try to explain to Christians that persecution is coming to America, the response I get is basically, “not in my lifetime.” Actually, this came from a man with 6 children. If not during his life, when? – His children’s? (Now you know why I don’t have kids.)

Post-Trib is a Hard Sell, because weak, comfortable, fat Americans are too busy with pleasure to study Scripture on their own. The response I get is, “But my Pastor says…” -- yet the only Scripture they can come up with on their own is, “God hath not appointed us to wrath.” Everyone knows that one.

Christians don’t study the Bible -- they listen to Pastors. Pastors don’t study the Bible – they read Commentaries.

Do I sound frustrated, LOL?

:armor: "...and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men." - Mic 5:5
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Postby Favoritetopic on Wed Aug 23, 2006 12:30 pm

YAY! I'm SO GLAD a lot of people are feeling this same urgency! I know we are to trust God, but we are also to be aware of our surroundings and the times.

It seems to me like God Himself is placing options in front of me and sort of controlling the rate at which things are happening for me. A little detail...I bought land over a year ago with my mom because her health is failing. We plan to build. Found a builder but I'm having issues with the loan process. While waiting for this, in frustration, found another builder who is doing Green Houses - homes that are completly self sufficient with solar energy, etc. More expensive, but I feel God is going to bring the funds necessary to do this.

I also started stalking up at the suggestion of our government while researching Bird Flu. If the President is telling the American people we need to prepare as families, we should do so, as God has instructed us to follow the laws, instructions of our government??? I feel this so strongly, that I just know it has to be God - it's something I can't ignore although I've gotten no STRONG confirmation on it...it also just seems logical.

Sorry - rambling here - would just like to know what others are thinking feeling and I think this is a good direction for me. What the future holds? I think if we're still here, Christian communities will pull together, God will lead us to each other.

I've already stored seeds, but found out I need to get seeds that are local to my area. The native Americans here in AZ have them available...may be good to look into in your area if you don't already have a garden
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Postby Favoritetopic on Wed Aug 23, 2006 12:40 pm

This is from a post today on the possible bird flu pandemic. We know plagues are another sign of the end times, so I have to agree this isn't far off - they state it's not 'if' but 'when'.

The H5N1 strain of bird flu, which has already killed 141 people worldwide without mutating to a human-to-human strain, is likely to be the next devastating pandemic to sweep the globe, experts say. When it does, Osterholm said it is likely to kill at least 2.7 million people -- maybe as many as 360 million -- and people will probably have to take care of themselves as the devastation completely overpowers state and federal emergency management plans.
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Postby heavenlycreation on Wed Aug 23, 2006 2:03 pm

I am not sure weather I am pre-trib or pre-wrath, but either way, one verse gives me comfort when it comes to this topic:

Revelation 3:10
Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.


I just don't think that the great tribulation was designed for the saints. I think it was designed for judgement.

BUT, I have had the thought on my mind since this year began, that maybe we should stock up on some bottled water. Not necessary for the tribulation period, but in case of an attack or natural disaster. Both seem to be happening quite a bit these days. I suspect that the holy spirit has put this thought in me because I can't seem to shake it, but then again I have 2 little girls so it would be foolish to ignore it.
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Postby Favoritetopic on Wed Aug 23, 2006 2:33 pm

Yes I agree Heavenly, but I do think we'll be here for a bit of bad times - the way I interpret Rev is that there will be a huge earthquake, the sun darkened and the moon blood red - then Jesus will pick us up. Only thing is...what if my interpretation isn't correct. Or if it is, how much time between the earthquake and Jesus picking us up? Days, months...years? Sounds like we may need to be prepared but God overall, will care for us.

Maybe we'll be around to plan and help each other after the quake? That is why I put that Christian communities may develop - we'll be relying on God and each other.
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Postby JR on Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:05 pm

Wow, this is a good thread and here is my two cents.

I have also had a vision that addresses this. Here is the link to the post and the discussions that followed.

http://fulfilledprophecy.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=12100

In that vision, I have moved. At the time, I was living in a suburban area. I have since moved to a more rural area, but I believe my vision depicts a more rural area, probably in another state.

Both my wife and I feel a real need to leave CA, not from what I have read here, but just to leave CA. CA has great weather, but way to many people and a liberal / hedonistic climate. It is just getting close to the time to go.

I do not think these things happen in a vacuum or by accident. Many are having these sort of visions or motivations. Many in my church are also planning to leave the state. Not out of end times fears, but just as a normal course of action. This is more of the solid Christian types, then I would have normally expected to leave the state at the same time. God moves in open and often times subtle ways.

Regarding persecution. I have been persuaded to a pre-wrath position. I can not bank on a pre-trib and there is just not enough proof. My vision tells me I am being raptured and my wife and I are safe, but in hiding.

Here is a link to an Islamic eschatology Christian review site. Read chapter 18 for review of the muslim end times and read chapter 6 regarding what their jesus is about.

http://answering-islam.org/Authors/JR/Future/index.htm

http://fulfilledprophecy.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=12411

It does not take much imagination to see this happening in the next few years.

Regarding what we should be doing. A little to soon store food (IMO), but I would suggest getting ready for a flood of new believers. Here is a post that discusses that.

http://fulfilledprophecy.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=12411

Thanks for all the food for thought. I hope I have fed you also.


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Postby quiverfullmom on Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:47 am

In the House of the wise are stores of choice food and oil, but the foolish man devours all he has. Prov 21:20

He who gathers crops in summer is a wise son, but he who sleeps during harvest is a disgraceful son. Prov 10:5

Go to the ant you sluggard; consider its ways and be wise! It has no commander or overseer or ruler, yet it stores its provision in summer and gathers its food at harvest. Prov 6:6
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Postby RaeSem123 on Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:55 am



I am thankful for the posts pointing out that the question raised is actually related to the mid-tribulation point of view. Would someone please guide me to any information on this site about the 10 Virgins and Oil.

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Postby AndCanItBe on Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:04 am

:wavewelcome: RaeSem123!

There is more than one thread on this parable. Here is the one I believe is the most recent.

http://fulfilledprophecy.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11444
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Postby yhudit32548 on Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:47 am

Preparing for Persecution......I had offered a bible study on this topic from a jewish perspective. I'm impacted by Corrie Ten Boom and her story from her father about the "train ticket".(read her story).Again ,we read in the parable of the 10 virgins,Keeping the oil in our lamps(HOLY SPIRIT).G-d will give us the grace when we need it for staying in HIM!Apostasy,falling away from the L-rd(how can one fall away from something one never had?)men's hearts growing harder.I believe that those christians who go after false teaching,fail to repent of it,will also turn on "true believers" as we go into the future.It is already happening.

G-d told Jeremiah(16)Not to sit with the merrymakers!This is not just for hanging out with the world, but with false teaching as well.WE can get lonely and feel like we are alone in seeking only biblical truth.WE can in HIM,endure and be closer to JESUS than we have ever been!

Tribulation,,,,yes. But in HIM we are never going to be left alone :grin:
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Postby BeTheMoon on Sat Sep 23, 2006 11:14 pm

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Postby Downpour on Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:13 am

heavenlycreation wrote:I am not sure weather I am pre-trib or pre-wrath, but either way, one verse gives me comfort when it comes to this topic:

Revelation 3:10
Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.


I just don't think that the great tribulation was designed for the saints. I think it was designed for judgement.

BUT, I have had the thought on my mind since this year began, that maybe we should stock up on some bottled water. Not necessary for the tribulation period, but in case of an attack or natural disaster. Both seem to be happening quite a bit these days. I suspect that the holy spirit has put this thought in me because I can't seem to shake it, but then again I have 2 little girls so it would be foolish to ignore it.


I was reading another post yesterday, about what exactly in this hour trial or temptation? The word trial or temptation comes from the Greek word pirasmos, which means being tempted. This word is used in the same way in the Lord's prayer, "lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one", and also when Jesus was in the desert being tempted from satan. The word here means that we will not fall into the temptation of following satan, we will not be deceived. The delusion that God sends on the whole world will not affect us.

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πειρασμός
peirasmos
pi-ras-mos'
From G3985; a putting to proof (by experiment [of good], experience [of evil], solicitation, discipline or provocation); by implication adversity: - temptation, X try.
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My husband who is not a believer, for some reason, since about a month ago, has started to look at ways to survive on our own. He is looking at alternative energy, solar and wind, and studying on how we can do things for ourselves, like collect water from rain ect.... I think without him knowing the Lord is preparing him for what is about to happen, so that we will be able to survive whatever comes our way. And maybe we will be able to help others also.
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Postby OBXBob on Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:11 am

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Postby london on Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:54 pm

Here are my feelings on endtimes....i want to stay. not because im evil and not because i dont want to be with god. I want to stay because i want to save as many of the souls that are still there as possible. I want to to face challenges. its my dream. youll probably say im crazy and i dont know what im talking about and your probabaly right, but im staying with that.
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Postby OBXBob on Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:11 pm

:wavewelcome: london!

It's good to have you posting with us.

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Postby AndCanItBe on Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:29 pm

:wavewelcome: london!

I'm in Ohio too, not all that far from you if your name's any indication! Did you know the apostle Paul felt like you do?

Phillipians 1

Yes, and I will continue to rejoice, 19for I know that through your prayers and the help given by the Spirit of Jesus Christ, what has happened to me will turn out for my deliverance.[d] 20I eagerly expect and hope that I will in no way be ashamed, but will have sufficient courage so that now as always Christ will be exalted in my body, whether by life or by death. 21For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. 22If I am to go on living in the body, this will mean fruitful labor for me. Yet what shall I choose? I do not know! 23I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far; 24but it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body. 25Convinced of this, I know that I will remain, and I will continue with all of you for your progress and joy in the faith, 26so that through my being with you again your joy in Christ Jesus will overflow on account of me.



If you're crazy so was Paul. :wink:
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Postby Be still on Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:16 pm

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Postby london on Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:20 pm

Hm i didnt know that! And thanks for the welcome wagon. and i am NOT near london ohio, i am in the Northwest area. London is my actualy name.
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Postby AndCanItBe on Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:24 pm

Sorry, london! :bag:
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Postby london on Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:32 pm

Oh its no biggie :grin:
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Postby london on Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:35 pm

I know some people who used to live in london. The name Stopher ring any bells?
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Postby AndCanItBe on Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:39 pm

No, I'm probably about an hour and a half away from there though. I used to drive through it on the way home from college in Cincinnati.
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Postby london on Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:47 pm

ahh
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Postby AndCanItBe on Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:51 pm

:lol:

Weren't you just thrilled to be graced with that knowledge? That's just what you wanted to learn from this site wasn't it? :mrgreen:
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Postby london on Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:21 pm

oh of course!
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Postby Be still on Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:23 pm

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Postby Arfur on Mon Oct 16, 2006 3:13 am

In regard to the subject of this thread.

Read Isaiah ch 4 where the Jerusalem mentioned is not the earthly one.


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Postby WhiteH2OWoman on Mon Oct 16, 2006 9:39 am

watchingandwaiting wrote:People who live in the country will likely have their land confiscated
also unscrupulous people will likely break into and rob anyone who has a stash


I don't think so. Bear in mind that those of us in the country are usually well-armed...particularly here in Texas. If the govt wants to touch off a huge civil war and cause several western states to seceed, just try conficating land. They will not get far with that.

I don't think it shows a lack of faith to heed an inner calling to store food, any more than Noah showed lack of faith by heeding the call to build the Ark. To the contrary...
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Re: How is the Holy Spirit preparing you for the trib?

Postby bkhoward2001 on Sun May 31, 2009 6:49 pm

The Holy Spirit is telling me and my family that we need to prepare both spiritually and physically and network with other like-minded individuals. It has also led me to create the following website below to help others in this as well.
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Re: How is the Holy Spirit preparing you for the trib?

Postby Abiding in His Word on Sun May 31, 2009 6:57 pm

Welcome to the board, bkhoward2001. Please check your private messages (pms). Thanks!
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Re: How is the Holy Spirit preparing you for the trib?

Postby bkhoward2001 on Fri Jun 05, 2009 9:24 am

The Holy Spirit is leading me to prepare both spiritually AND physically.... Most Christians are going to be caught totally off guard and the time to prepare is not after events are occuring but prior. To use a simple boy scout saying.... you always prepare for the worst scenarios and hope for the best. This is just the wise path to take. But I am very excited about the soon return of our Lord and Savior.

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