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FreeInHim wrote:In Revelation 9:4 we’re told that the demonic locusts will have the power to hurt “those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.”
I’ve always assumed that we Christians will escape such a fate, despite being here, because we’re of the body of Christ. But further study sheds a different light on this.
And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Rev. 7:2
Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. Rev. 7:3
That we are sealed to God with the Holy Spirit is evident in II Cor. 1:22, Eph. 1:13, and Eph. 4:30. But this type of seal, or sealing, is distinctly different than the type of seal described in Rev. 7:3 and 9:4, wherein the seal is a distinguishable mark in the recipients’ foreheads. Furthermore, and equally plain, is the fact that the recipients of this protective seal are distinctly described as being Israelites, not Gentiles. Rev. 7:4-8
So I have to conclude that being Christian will not spare us from the sting of these demonic locusts, nor any other tribulation for that matter. Of all the Tribs coming, for some reason I’ve always had it in my head that Christians would be spared the horrible sting from these “locusts.” Probably an after-effect from reading the Left Behind series.
Thoughts, anyone?
Sue-M wrote:Now, why is the Church not mentioned? Are we forgotten about? Well, you know, Jesus said that He would never leave us or forsake us. So, it can't be that we are forgotten about. And God has also told us that we are not appointed to God receive God's Wrath. So, it can't be that we are going to endure any part of God's Wrath.
The only way I can figure this is that this Scripture is only mentioning those that need to be protected. And just because Scripture doesn't mention those that have already been saved, doesn't mean that those people are not protected. Either that or the Church has been raptured by that time and we are no longer here.
I tend to think that it's more likely the last scenario that is happening in Revelation 9:4. I tend to think that the Rapture has just happened and those Jews who are destined to be saved, are marked to protect them from what is coming. And these Jews will survive into the Millenium. In my thinking, if the Rapture has happened, at that moment, there is no longer anyone on the Earth that believes in Jesus. And God will send extra protection to the remanent of Israel.
crmann wrote:9:7. And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.
The word "shape" is one translation, but "form" is a better one. Like horses assembled for battle; arrayed as a group, armoured, and representing uniformity of purpose and action. These are not horses, though, but "flying scorpions". The faces of men will be seen at the front. And above them... an impressive circle of powerful metal.
9:8. And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.
Two translation issues here: This should be "manes" not "hair" to be consistent with the descriptive horse theme. And, as in a certain part of Zechariah, where the word "woman" is routinely substituted for "fire" (Hebrew/Aramaic:ishah vs. a'isha or isheh), the same thing is happening here.
These horses will have manes of fire, i.e., they will be military jet helicopters, with fire flowing out behind them.
And, like lions, they will be equipped to do battle.
9:9. And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.
Once again: armoured. And their blurred, locust-like wings would beat a loud rhythmic sound, like war chariots and their heavy horses charging to battle. (These verses really are beautifully written, but considering the content, it's a cruel sort of beauty.)
9:10. And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.
Long tails, like scorpions...or helicopters. And, like the scorpion, possessed of a blade at the tip. Imagine a blade so sharp that it can cut the air. The duration of five months is restated, in association with the word "power".
1WhoWaits wrote:And Isa 28 does apear to suggest that the Nephilium will be making a comeback at the time the covenant with death is annulled.
1WhoWaits wrote:And Isa 28 does apear to suggest that the Nephilium will be making a comeback at the time the covenant with death is annulled.
Isa 28 is an interesting passage, it does appear to discuss events at the middle of the 70th week and it does so through what appear to be 'riddles'.
The passage also discusses the covenant with death made by Israels rulers, which will be annulled, which could be consistent with the covenant with the AC. This could place Isa 28 as occurring during the latter half of the 70th week.
1WhoWait wrote:Isa 28: 19 states- 'The understanding of this message will bring sheer terror. The bed is too short to stretch out on, the blanket to narrow to wrap around you. The Lord will rise up as he did at Mount Perazim, he will rouse himself as in the valley of Gibeon- to do his work, his strange work, and perform his task, his alien task.
Now stop your mocking, or your chains will become heavier.'
The bed is to short and the blanket is too narrow when you are too big for them, as in the case of a giant. The case in point being OG of Bashan, whose bed was huge because he was a giant - 'Only Og king of Bashan was left of the remnant of the Rephaites. His bed was made of iron and was more than 13 feet long and 6 feet wide. It is still in Rabbah of the Ammonites' Deut 3:11 (Og, king of Bashan, one of the last of the Rephaites- Joshua 12).
1WhoWaits wrote:Therefore the reference to those sealed in their foreheads at the 5th trumpet cannot be the 144,000, they are not sealed until 3.5 years later, meaning that someone else has a seal of God in their foreheads.
FreeInHim wrote:In Revelation 9:4 we’re told that the demonic locusts will have the power to hurt “those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.”
I’ve always assumed that we Christians will escape such a fate, despite being here, because we’re of the body of Christ. But further study sheds a different light on this.
And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Rev. 7:2
Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. Rev. 7:3
That we are sealed to God with the Holy Spirit is evident in II Cor. 1:22, Eph. 1:13, and Eph. 4:30. But this type of seal, or sealing, is distinctly different than the type of seal described in Rev. 7:3 and 9:4, wherein the seal is a distinguishable mark in the recipients’ foreheads. Furthermore, and equally plain, is the fact that the recipients of this protective seal are distinctly described as being Israelites, not Gentiles. Rev. 7:4-8
So I have to conclude that being Christian will not spare us from the sting of these demonic locusts, nor any other tribulation for that matter. Of all the Tribs coming, for some reason I’ve always had it in my head that Christians would be spared the horrible sting from these “locusts.” Probably an after-effect from reading the Left Behind series.
Thoughts, anyone?
GodsStudent wrote:1 Thes. 5: 9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.
I don't, nor will I ever, believe that we are going to suffer the wrath of God. I believe it will be going on all around us, but I believe that God will supernaturally protect us from His wrath as He always has protected His children in the historical accounts given in the bible.
I just pray that I am counted worthy.
1whowaits wrote:The demon locusts have human and non human characteristics, they appear to be a hybrid, which is what the Nephilium were. And Isa 28 does apear to suggest that the Nephilium will be making a comeback at the time the covenant with death is annulled.
The locusts are referred to as an army in Joel 2, but they appear to be consistent with the Gog-Magog army from the north that is destroyed by God.
The Abyss appears to be the place that the demons and fallen angels are sent to- 'Legion..because many demons had gone into him. And they begged him repeatedly not to order them to go into the Abyss.' Luke 8:31
There is no indication that men are sent to the Abyss, the bottomless pit, but to Hades, the place of holding- 'and Hades gave up the dead...' Rev 20.
The Abyss and Hades appear to be 2 separate places, one for demons/fallen angels and the other for men. The locusts that come out of the Abyss are therefore not men, they have some demonic or fallen angel origin. And yet they have faces that look like human faces and they appear to have a physical appearance, which is not consistent with demons, the 'locust' army is something else, not demon or spirit being, and yet not human. Is there any other being noted in scripture that is not completely human and not a spirit being?
Sue-M wrote:FreeinHim, this is the way I have always thought about it. These are Jews who are being marked here. Why are they marked? I believe it's because they are not saved yet. Either they are not saved yet or this is the exact time that their eyes are opened up and they get saved (en mass). And they are being protected by God during a time when they need to be protected.
Now, why is the Church not mentioned? Are we forgotten about? Well, you know, Jesus said that He would never leave us or forsake us. So, it can't be that we are forgotten about. And God has also told us that we are not appointed to God receive God's Wrath. So, it can't be that we are going to endure any part of God's Wrath.
The only way I can figure this is that this Scripture is only mentioning those that need to be protected. And just because Scripture doesn't mention those that have already been saved, doesn't mean that those people are not protected. Either that or the Church has been raptured by that time and we are no longer here.
I tend to think that it's more likely the last scenario that is happening in Revelation 9:4. I tend to think that the Rapture has just happened and those Jews who are destined to be saved, are marked to protect them from what is coming. And these Jews will survive into the Millenium. In my thinking, if the Rapture has happened, at that moment, there is no longer anyone on the Earth that believes in Jesus. And God will send extra protection to the remanent of Israel.
FreeInHim wrote:In Revelation 9:4 we’re told that the demonic locusts will have the power to hurt “those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.”
I’ve always assumed that we Christians will escape such a fate, despite being here, because we’re of the body of Christ. But further study sheds a different light on this.
And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Rev. 7:2
Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. Rev. 7:3
That we are sealed to God with the Holy Spirit is evident in II Cor. 1:22, Eph. 1:13, and Eph. 4:30. But this type of seal, or sealing, is distinctly different than the type of seal described in Rev. 7:3 and 9:4, wherein the seal is a distinguishable mark in the recipients’ foreheads. Furthermore, and equally plain, is the fact that the recipients of this protective seal are distinctly described as being Israelites, not Gentiles. Rev. 7:4-8
So I have to conclude that being Christian will not spare us from the sting of these demonic locusts, nor any other tribulation for that matter. Of all the Tribs coming, for some reason I’ve always had it in my head that Christians would be spared the horrible sting from these “locusts.” Probably an after-effect from reading the Left Behind series.
Thoughts, anyone?
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