Understanding the "day of the Lord"

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Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby Ready1 on Wed Mar 25, 2015 12:06 pm

This has been interesting to follow in the Post-Trib only zone. Do any of the pre-trib group want to comment from their side in this pre-trib only arena?
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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby mark s on Wed Mar 25, 2015 12:36 pm

Hi Ready1,

A lot being said on that thread, was there something in particular?

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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby Mark F on Wed Mar 25, 2015 7:34 pm

Ok, when does the Day of the Lord begin? The Bowls? The Vials? The physical return of Christ?

Does the GT run concurrently or consecutively to the DOTL?
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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby Ready1 on Thu Mar 26, 2015 12:12 pm

Maybe a question which might start this thing off is: Are the first 4 seals of Rev 6 a part of the day of the Lord or is the starting point of the day of the Lord is somewhere else?

It seems to me that the dead of the fifth seal are a product of (though not limited to) the first four seals.
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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby mark s on Thu Mar 26, 2015 12:55 pm

Paul wrote in 1 Thess 5 that the Day of the Lord comes as a sudden destruction. I'm looking at the earthquake in the sixth seal, and in Ezekiel 38, which I think are the same worldwide earthquake.
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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby Sonbeam on Thu Mar 26, 2015 1:39 pm

mark s wrote:Paul wrote in 1 Thess 5 that the Day of the Lord comes as a sudden destruction. I'm looking at the earthquake in the sixth seal, and in Ezekiel 38, which I think are the same worldwide earthquake.


That is also what I see from the scriptures as the start of the Day of the Lord Mark S:

Rev 6:12I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, [fn] there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon [fn] became like blood.
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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby Resurrection Torchlight on Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:05 am

I have a slightly different take, although it is somewhat speculative, but I see the day of the Lord begin sometime after the Abomination of Desolation, likely after with the pouring of the bowl judgments and definitely with the Lord's return (just about every OT passage that references the DOTL, has the return of Christ in view). However I think that the people left on earth will believe that the 6th seal is the DOTL, they will think it is the end of the week when really it is just the beginning.

1 Thessalonians 5:1-3
1 Now as to the times and the epochs, brethren, you have no need of anything to be written to you.
2 For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night.
3 While they are saying, “Peace and safety!” then destruction will come upon them suddenly like labor pains upon a woman with child, and they will not escape.


Paul does say that destruction will come upon those who are in darkness, like a thief- suddenly. He also in 2 Thess. 2 gives a road-map to when that day happens.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
1 Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him,
2 that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.
3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,


Paul points out that the Day of the Lord will not come until the apostasy comes first, AND the man of lawlessness is revealed. When is the Man of Lawlessness revealed? When he commits the Abomination of Desolation. (which I see as occurring at or around the time of the 7th trumpet)

The people of earth will not have destruction brought upon them at the 6th seal, though there is a great earthquake at that time. We know this because the revelation goes on to talk about these people. I believe that the events of the sixth seal will cause those who remain on earth after the rapture, to believe it is the Day of the Lord. There is an even more destructive world wide earthquake here:

Revelation 16:17-21
17 Then the seventh angel poured out his bowl upon the air, and a loud voice came out of the temple from the throne, saying, “It is done.”
18 And there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder; and there was a great earthquake, such as there had not been since man came to be upon the earth, so great an earthquake was it, and so mighty.
19 The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. Babylon the great was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of His fierce wrath.
20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
21 And huge hailstones, about one hundred pounds each, came down from heaven upon men; and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail, because its plague was extremely severe.


This earthquake destroys the cities of the nations, mountains don't just move from their places, they are no longer found. Then there are the 100 pound hailstones- talk about sudden destruction- the plague is extremely severe.

But back to the sixth seal-

Revelation 6:15-17
15 Then the kings of the earth and the great men and the commanders and the rich and the strong and every slave and free man hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains;
16 and they said to the mountains and to the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb;
17 for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”
21 And huge hailstones, about one hundred pounds each, came down from heaven upon men; and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail, because its plague was extremely severe.


Notice who it is that makes the claim that the day of wrath has come? It is the men of earth who are hiding in caves and mountains. This is a complete departure from the revelation up to this point and afterward. This is the only time in the whole Revelation that we hear from the people of earth. It wasn't John or the living creature or any angelic being speaking these words, but the men of earth. I think that this is a significant point that has been overlooked by most. These are those who Paul says will be sent a deluding influence by God so that "they will believe what is false". A wrong mode of acting, they will behave as if the day of the Lord had arrived when in fact it hasn't. That is the error that Paul addresses in the 2 Thess. passage, the error that the Day of the Lord had come. This error IMO will pave the way for the lawless one to come forward and step into the "false Christ" position.

These men who hide themselves are described in almost the same terms later on in the Revelation:
Revelation 19:17-18
17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out with a loud voice, saying to all the birds which fly in midheaven, “Come, assemble for the great supper of God,
18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings and the flesh of commanders and the flesh of mighty men and the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them and the flesh of all men, both free men and slaves, and small and great.”


This is when they meet with destruction, and just before this passage we also see that this is when Jesus comes like a thief to slay these who are gathered for war against Him:
Revelation 16:13-16
13 And I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs;
14 for they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them together for the war of the great day of God, the Almighty.
15 (“Behold, I am coming like a thief. Blessed is the one who stays awake and keeps his clothes, so that he will not walk about naked and men will not see his shame.”)
16 And they gathered them together to the place which in Hebrew is called Har-Magedon.


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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby Resurrection Torchlight on Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:10 am

I also believe that the passage in Ezekiel 38 is fulfilled at the same time as the pouring of the 7th bowl:

Ezekiel 38:19-23
19 “In My zeal and in My blazing wrath I declare that on that day there will surely be a great earthquake in the land of Israel.
20 “The fish of the sea, the birds of the heavens, the beasts of the field, all the creeping things that creep on the earth, and all the men who are on the face of the earth will shake at My presence; the mountains also will be thrown down, the steep pathways will collapse and every wall will fall to the ground.
21 “I will call for a sword against him on all My mountains,” declares the Lord God. “Every man’s sword will be against his brother.
22 “With pestilence and with blood I will enter into judgment with him; and I will rain on him and on his troops, and on the many peoples who are with him, a torrential rain, with hailstones, fire and brimstone.
23 “I will magnify Myself, sanctify Myself, and make Myself known in the sight of many nations; and they will know that I am the Lord.” ’


Note what the outcome is- The Lord will be magnified, in the sight of many nations- who will then know that He is the Lord.

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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby Ready1 on Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:57 am

Isa 2:12 For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:

Isa 2:19 And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.
Isa 2:20 In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats;
Isa 2:21 To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.


Sounds a lot like:

Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?


Which sounds a lot like:

Isa 13:4 The noise of a multitude in the mountains, like as of a great people; a tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together: the LORD of hosts mustereth the host of the battle.
Isa 13:5 They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.
Isa 13:6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
Isa 13:7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:
Isa 13:8 And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames.
Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby Resurrection Torchlight on Fri Mar 27, 2015 3:54 pm

Hi Ready1,

Yes I agree they sound a lot alike, but not exactly the same. I noticed you left out a couple verses in the Isaiah 2 passage:

Isaiah 2:17-19
17 The pride of man will be humbled
And the loftiness of men will be abased;
And the Lord alone will be exalted in that day,
18 But the idols will completely vanish.
19 Men will go into caves of the rocks
And into holes of the ground
Before the terror of the Lord
And the splendor of His majesty,
When He arises to make the earth tremble.


Notice how Idols completely vanish, and how the Lord alone will be exalted. We know that this can not be in line with the sixth seal, because the sixth seal happens before the Lord alone is exalted and before all idols vanish. In fact we know that following the opening of the 6th seal, men of earth will worship the beast and the image of the beast, an idol. We know that the lawless one will exalt himself and portray himself as being God. These are the proud and lofty which verse 12 says that the Lord of hosts comes upon. That sounds like the 2nd coming to me, the Lord alone will not be exalted until He returns for all mankind to see.

Also the Isaiah 13 passage:

Isaiah 13:4-13
4 A sound of tumult on the mountains,
Like that of many people!
A sound of the uproar of kingdoms,
Of nations gathered together!
The Lord of hosts is mustering the army for battle.
5 They are coming from a far country,
From the farthest horizons,
The Lord and His instruments of indignation,
To destroy the whole land.
Judgment on the Day of the Lord
6 Wail, for the day of the Lord is near!
It will come as destruction from the Almighty.
7 Therefore all hands will fall limp,
And every man’s heart will melt.
8 They will be terrified,
Pains and anguish will take hold of them;
They will writhe like a woman in labor,
They will look at one another in astonishment,
Their faces aflame.
9 Behold, the day of the Lord is coming,
Cruel, with fury and burning anger,
To make the land a desolation;

And He will exterminate its sinners from it.
10 For the stars of heaven and their constellations
Will not flash forth their light;
The sun will be dark when it rises
And the moon will not shed its light.

11 Thus I will punish the world for its evil
And the wicked for their iniquity;
I will also put an end to the arrogance of the proud
And abase the haughtiness of the ruthless.

12 I will make mortal man scarcer than pure gold
And mankind than the gold of Ophir.
13 Therefore I will make the heavens tremble,
And the earth will be shaken from its place
At the fury of the Lord of hosts
In the day of His burning anger.


This is a description of God's vengeance and wrath being poured out upon the wicked, and again it could easily apply to the Lord's visible return. You will note that in verse 10 that the moon does not shed it's light. While at the opening of the sixth seal the whole moon appears as blood. A visible blood moon is one that is still shining, though it is different in appearance, it is reddish in color so it can not fulfill the passage here which states that it does not shed its light. This passage again to me is more in line with:

Matthew 24:29-30
29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
30 “And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory.


Which again is "immediately after the tribulation" and coincides with Christ's visible return to earth.

The prophet Joel says:
Joel 2:30-31
30 “I will display wonders in the sky and on the earth,
Blood, fire and columns of smoke.
31 “The sun will be turned into darkness
And the moon into blood
Before the great and awesome day of the Lord comes.


The moon is turned to blood- BEFORE the day of the Lord comes.

earlier in the same passage he describes the day of the Lord in different terms:
Joel 2:10-11
10 Before them the earth quakes,
The heavens tremble,
The sun and the moon grow dark
And the stars lose their brightness.
11 The Lord utters His voice before His army;
Surely His camp is very great,
For strong is he who carries out His word.
The day of the Lord is indeed great and very awesome,
And who can endure it?


The sun and moon grow dark, and the Lord is directing His armies, what does that sound like? It sounds like His return.

So yes I agree that they are very similar looking events, and I think that it is by God's design that they are. I also think these similarities are why we have so many various views on the timing of the seals/ trumpets/ bowls. But they are not really the same are they?

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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby Resurrection Torchlight on Fri Mar 27, 2015 4:24 pm

I would also like to make note of another difference:

Revelation 6:12-14
12 I looked when He broke the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth made of hair, and the whole moon became like blood;
13 and the stars of the sky fell to the earth, as a fig tree casts its unripe figs when shaken by a great wind.
14 The sky was split apart like a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.


Isaiah 34:2-5
2 For the Lord’s indignation is against all the nations,
And His wrath against all their armies;
He has utterly destroyed them,
He has given them over to slaughter.
3 So their slain will be thrown out,
And their corpses will give off their stench,
And the mountains will be drenched with their blood.
4 And all the host of heaven will wear away,
And the sky will be rolled up like a scroll;
All their hosts will also wither away
As a leaf withers from the vine,
Or as one withers from the fig tree.
5 For My sword is satiated in heaven,
Behold it shall descend for judgment upon Edom
And upon the people whom I have devoted to destruction.


In both passages we see the reference to the sky being rolled up as a scroll, however in Isaiah the hosts of heaven wither away as a leaf from the vine, or fig tree. I find this very curious, because at the opening of the sixth seal the stars are said to fall "as a fig tree casts its unripe figs when shaken by a great wind". Two references to the stars/ hosts of heaven compared to a fig tree and two references to the sky appearing as a scroll. But the fig tree references are not the same. The one in Isaiah shows a post harvest fig tree, with it's leaves withering in the autumn. While the 6th seal fig tree is a pre-harvest tree casting its unripened figs to the ground as if shaken by a mighty wind. Jesus deliberately uses a different analogy in the Revelation. Now isn't that curious? I think so.

Not to mention the other clues in Isaiah that talk about the Lord's indignation being against all the nations and giving them over to slaughter, utterly destroying them. His sword being satiated in heaven and descending for judgment- again this to me sounds like the 2nd coming.

Now I am not claiming to be absolutely correct here and have admitted to some speculating, but what I think happens at the 6th seal- is the rapture. The sky opening like a scroll, to receive the body of Christ AKA the church into heaven. (When Israel is in it's pre- harvest state) And then later the sky opens again like a scroll to allow the Lord to descend from heaven at His return (when Israel is in its post harvest state).

I see that the seals 1-4 happen throughout the church age, the 5th seal is the resurrection of the dead in Christ and the 6th is the rapture, the beginning the 70th week follows, this is followed by the 7 trumpets, with the AOD occuring sometime around the 7th trumpet, which is then followed by the 7 bowls concluding in the return of Christ.

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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby Mark F on Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:41 am

RT,

I couldn't read all you posted this AM but will this evening, I just wanted to point out also that the book of Joshua seems to be very similar in that it shows Joshua as a type of warring Messiah, the men hid in caves etc., I know that is a very broad brush but I have no time.

You cannot look at end times without studying the Old Testament period, many prophecy buffs quote exclusively New Testament and IMO causes them to be out in left field.
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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby Resurrection Torchlight on Sat Mar 28, 2015 5:28 am

You cannot look at end times without studying the Old Testament period, many prophecy buffs quote exclusively New Testament and IMO causes them to be out in left field.


I completely agree :grin:

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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby Ready1 on Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:50 am

If I am reading you correctly, RT, you are suggesting that the "day of the Lord" encompasses considerably more than just the sixth seal. From your perspective, are you saying that it includes the rest of the seals, trumpets, and bowls?

(I only posted a couple of partial OT passages for discussion starters...there are more! :grin: )

Mark F wrote:You cannot look at end times without studying the Old Testament period, many prophecy buffs quote exclusively New Testament and IMO causes them to be out in left field.


I am also in complete agreement!
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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby Resurrection Torchlight on Sat Mar 28, 2015 10:25 am

Ready1 wrote:If I am reading you correctly, RT, you are suggesting that the "day of the Lord" encompasses considerably more than just the sixth seal. From your perspective, are you saying that it includes the rest of the seals, trumpets, and bowls?

(I only posted a couple of partial OT passages for discussion starters...there are more! :grin: )

Mark F wrote:You cannot look at end times without studying the Old Testament period, many prophecy buffs quote exclusively New Testament and IMO causes them to be out in left field.


I am also in complete agreement!


Hi Ready1,

No I actually believe that the day of the Lord does not include the seals at all, nor the trumpets. But perhaps starts with the pouring of the bowls of God's wrath, because this is when the Lord begins to pour out His vengeance on mankind, this is when the wicked begin to be punished. Understand that I do not see the seals and trumpets and bowls overlapping each other as many do. I see them as following one another consecutively. I do not see the seals as occurring within the 70th week at all, with the exception of the seventh, which is the half hour of silence. The trumpets I believe occur sometime just before the middle of the week, with the seventh falling right around the middle. I think that the bowl judgments will come in quick succession, not unlike the plagues of Egypt and close to the day that the Lord visibly returns. Which is when the wicked will be dealt with in full.

Peter says this about the day of the Lord:

2 Peter 3:7-13
7 But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
8 But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.
9 The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up.
11 Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness,
12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat!
13 But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.


Six times scripture describes that the DOTL as coming like a thief. Revelation 16:15 places this reference right before the last bowl is poured and the voice is heard from the heavenly temple that says "It is done". So I would say that is the likely moment that the Day of the Lord begins, though it may start when Christ actually returns. Peter says that with the Lord a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years like a day, and that the destruction of the current heavens and earth are included in the day of the Lord. So I would also suggest that the "day" includes the Millennial reign of Christ and ends with destruction of the present heavens and earth and the final judgment. The Day of the Lord is when Christ brings vengeance upon His enemies and when He physically rules in majesty over the earth.

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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby Ready1 on Fri Apr 03, 2015 6:31 am

Hopefully I have most everything in one list. For the things I have missed or mischaracterized, please bring it to my attention.

Several things characterize the day of the Lord over and over

1: Man’s pride is brought low (Is 2: 11-12, 17; Zep 2:9-11, Mal 4:1)
2: The Lord is exalted (Is 2: 11, 17; Joe 3:16-21)
3: Idols are abolished (Is 2: 18, 20; Zep 2:11)
4: Men are terrified and attempt to hide (Is 2: 19, 21; 13:6-8, Joe 2:1)
5: There is a massive earthquake (Is 2: 19, 21; 13:13; Joe 2:10, Joe 3:16, Zec 14: 4-5)
6. God brings the nations to fight against Him. It is a day of battle and multitudes are destroyed (Is 13:4-5, 14-20; Is 34:2, Eze 13:5, 30:2-3; Joe 1:15, 3:1-14; Oba 1:15-16; Zep 1:2-14, 2:4-9; Zec 14:1-3; Mal 4:1)
7. God is angry and His wrath and His vengeance and destruction is poured out on sinners and Israel’s enemies (Is 13:9, 11, 13, Is 34:2-6, 8; Jer 46:10; Lam 2:22; Joe 1:15-20; Joe 2:11; Zep 1:2-14, 17; 2:2-3; Zec 14:12-15; Mal 4:1, 1 Thes 5:2-3; 2 Pet 3:10)
8. Cosmic and supernatural signs are apparent (sun darkened, moon and constellations, no light). (Is 13:10, Joe 2:10; Joe 3:15-16; Amo 5:18, 20; Zep 1:15; Zec 14:4-7)
9. This time is characterized by darkness, fire, desolation, and changes in Jerusalem. (Joe 2:2-3; Zep 1:15, 18; Zec 14:8; Mal 4:5-6 (Elijah))


I have also characterized the following scriptures as "Pre-DOTL: Joe 2:31, Acts 2:19-20

If we can agree on this list, then it will be interesting to see how many things on the list (if any) correlate to the Revelation passages.
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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby Resurrection Torchlight on Sun Apr 12, 2015 5:24 pm

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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby Ready1 on Sun Apr 12, 2015 9:28 pm

Has anyone looked at my collection of scriptures and their characterization to tell me whether you would agree or whether you feel like I am off track?
Just observing.

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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby Resurrection Torchlight on Mon Apr 13, 2015 7:14 am

Ready1 wrote:Has anyone looked at my collection of scriptures and their characterization to tell me whether you would agree or whether you feel like I am off track?


Yes- and I think you are on the right track!

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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby Ready1 on Mon Apr 13, 2015 8:47 am

Can we establish any direct links to the seals, trumpets, or vials of the Revelation?

1: Man’s pride is brought low (Is 2: 11-12, 17; Zep 2:9-11, Mal 4:1)


Isa 2:11 Human pride will be brought down, and human arrogance will be humbled. Only the LORD will be exalted on that day of judgment.
Isa 2:12 For the LORD of Heaven's Armies has a day of reckoning. He will punish the proud and mighty and bring down everything that is exalted.

Isa 2:17 Human pride will be humbled, and human arrogance will be brought down. Only the LORD will be exalted on that day of judgment.

Zep 2:9 Now, as surely as I live," says the LORD of Heaven's Armies, the God of Israel, "Moab and Ammon will be destroyed—destroyed as completely as Sodom and Gomorrah. Their land will become a place of stinging nettles, salt pits, and eternal desolation. The remnant of My people will plunder them and take their land."
Zep 2:10 They will receive the wages of their pride, for they have scoffed at the people of the LORD of Heaven's Armies.
Zep 2:11 The LORD will terrify them as He destroys all the gods in the land. Then nations around the world will worship the LORD, each in their own land.

Mal 4:1 The LORD of Heaven's Armies says, "The day of judgment is coming, burning like a furnace. On that day the arrogant and the wicked will be burned up like straw. They will be consumed—roots, branches, and all.

Rev 9:20 But the people who did not die in these plagues still refused to repent of their evil deeds and turn to God. They continued to worship demons and idols made of gold, silver, bronze, stone, and wood—idols that can neither see nor hear nor walk!
Rev 9:21 And they did not repent of their murders or their witchcraft or their sexual immorality or their thefts.

Rev 16:9 Everyone was burned by this blast of heat, and they cursed the name of God, who had control over all these plagues. They did not repent of their sins and turn to God and give Him glory.
Rev 16:10 Then the fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and his kingdom was plunged into darkness. His subjects ground their teeth in anguish,
Rev 16:11 and they cursed the God of heaven for their pains and sores. But they did not repent of their evil deeds and turn to God.


Do these Revelation passages belong with these DOTL passages?
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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby Resurrection Torchlight on Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:27 pm

The Revelation passages you quoted demonstrate that human pride is still intact, for those who remain on earth at that time refuse to repent. Therefore if we are looking at human pride being waylaid as a prerequisite of the Day of the Lord, then I would say that the verses in question do not fit. In fact up until the seventh bowl is poured mankind is still on a mission of pride and arrogance, acting on the belief that they even stand a chance in waging war on the Lord Himself. It is the ultimate act of rebellion and pride!

However we do see that human pride will be brought low when this happens after the 7th bowl is poured:

Revelation 17:14
14 “These will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those who are with Him are the called and chosen and faithful.”

Revelation 19:15-21
15 From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty.
16 And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, “KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”
17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out with a loud voice, saying to all the birds which fly in midheaven, “Come, assemble for the great supper of God,
18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings and the flesh of commanders and the flesh of mighty men and the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them and the flesh of all men, both free men and slaves, and small and great.”
19 And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies assembled to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army.
20 And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.
21 And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.


and also here: when those who looked with pride upon Babylon see her wasted in one day
Revelation 18:1-8
1 After these things I saw another angel coming down from heaven, having great authority, and the earth was illumined with his glory.
2 And he cried out with a mighty voice, saying, “Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great! She has become a dwelling place of demons and a prison of every unclean spirit, and a prison of every unclean and hateful bird.
3 “For all the nations have drunk of the wine of the passion of her immorality, and the kings of the earth have committed acts of immorality with her, and the merchants of the earth have become rich by the wealth of her sensuality.”
4 I heard another voice from heaven, saying, “Come out of her, my people, so that you will not participate in her sins and receive of her plagues;
5 for her sins have piled up as high as heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.
6 “Pay her back even as she has paid, and give back to her double according to her deeds; in the cup which she has mixed, mix twice as much for her.
7 “To the degree that she glorified herself and lived sensuously, to the same degree give her torment and mourning; for she says in her heart, ‘I sit as a queen and I am not a widow, and will never see mourning.’
8 “For this reason in one day her plagues will come, pestilence and mourning and famine, and she will be burned up with fire; for the Lord God who judges her is strong.


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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby Ready1 on Mon Apr 13, 2015 7:22 pm

Resurrection Torchlight wrote:The Revelation passages you quoted demonstrate that human pride is still intact, for those who remain on earth at that time refuse to repent. Therefore if we are looking at human pride being waylaid as a prerequisite of the Day of the Lord, then I would say that the verses in question do not fit. In fact up until the seventh bowl is poured mankind is still on a mission of pride and arrogance, acting on the belief that they even stand a chance in waging war on the Lord Himself. It is the ultimate act of rebellion and pride!


I would simply see these Revelation verses as suggesting that God is in the process of bringing human pride down but that pride "goes down hard". In spite of the massive supernatural miracles, and in view of the fact that God Himself is the perpetrator of them, man refuses to bow the knee. Your verses demonstrate that judgment and defeat at the hands of the Living God are all that is left for those who do not repent.
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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby Resurrection Torchlight on Mon Apr 13, 2015 8:29 pm

I would agree with your assessment.

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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby Ready1 on Thu Apr 16, 2015 5:01 pm

2: The Lord is exalted (Is 2: 11, 17; Joe 3:16-21)



Isa 2:11 Human pride will be brought down, and human arrogance will be humbled. Only the LORD will be exalted on that day of judgment.

Isa 2:17 Human pride will be humbled, and human arrogance will be brought down. Only the LORD will be exalted on that day of judgment.

Joe 3:16 The LORD's voice will roar from Zion and thunder from Jerusalem, and the heavens and the earth will shake. But the LORD will be a refuge for His people, a strong fortress for the people of Israel.
Joe 3:17 "Then you will know that I, the LORD your God, live in Zion, My holy mountain. Jerusalem will be holy forever, and foreign armies will never conquer her again.
Joe 3:18 In that day the mountains will drip with sweet wine, and the hills will flow with milk. Water will fill the streambeds of Judah, and a fountain will burst forth from the LORD's Temple, watering the arid valley of acacias.
Joe 3:19 But Egypt will become a wasteland and Edom will become a wilderness, because they attacked the people of Judah and killed innocent people in their land.
Joe 3:20 "But Judah will be filled with people forever, and Jerusalem will endure through all generations.
Joe 3:21 I will pardon My people's crimes, which I have not yet pardoned; and I, the LORD, will make My home in Jerusalem with My people."

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


Are there other scriptures which could correlate with this section?
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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby Mark F on Fri Apr 17, 2015 3:49 am

I would say that human pride is never brought low, RT posted this passage above;

Revelation 17:14
14 “These will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those who are with Him are the called and chosen and faithful.”


To overcome in Revelation is to be killed, and they only way one escapes that is to be converted and saved, (then be martyred) it seems that apart from those two outcomes there is no quenching human pride and it's consequences, therefore God must needs destroy His enemies who do not repent.

Good list Ready1, going to look more at it next day or so, thanks.
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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby Ready1 on Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:22 am

3: Idols are abolished (Is 2: 18, 20; Zep 2:11)


Isa 2:17 And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.
Isa 2:18 And the idols he shall utterly abolish.

Isa 2:20 In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats;
Isa 2:21 To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.

Rev 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:


Are there verses I have left out?

Reminds me of this passage.
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby Ready1 on Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:41 pm

4: Men are terrified and attempt to hide (Is 2: 19, 21; 13:6-8, Joe 2:1)


Isa 2:19 And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.

Isa 2:21 To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.

Isa 13:6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
Isa 13:7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:
Isa 13:8 And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames.

Joe 2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;



Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.


Any other verses?
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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby Ready1 on Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:17 pm

5: There is a massive earthquake (Is 2: 19, 21; 13:13; Joe 2:10, Joe 3:16, Zec 14: 4-5)


Isa 2:19 And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.

Isa 2:21 To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.

Isa 13:13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

Joe 2:10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:

Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.


Heb 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.

Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

Rev 8:5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.

Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Rev 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.


Have I missed any? Do these all apply?
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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby Ready1 on Thu Apr 23, 2015 10:11 am

Question: Does the DOTL earthquake bring about the fulfillment of the following millennial passage?

Isa 40:4 Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:
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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby Sanderson on Thu Apr 23, 2015 6:19 pm

Ready1 wrote:

Have I missed any? Do these all apply?


Perhaps this applies?

Isa 54:7 For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.
Isa 54:8 In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the LORD thy Redeemer.
Isa 54:9 For this is as the waters of Noah unto me: for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee.
Isa 54:10 For the mountains shall depart, and the hills be removed; but my kindness shall not depart from thee, neither shall the covenant of my peace be removed, saith the LORD that hath mercy on thee.


Ran across this passage when I was chasing a different rabbit.
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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby Ready1 on Fri Apr 24, 2015 10:55 am

I like it and I think it applies. The only OT passages that I put up, however, were those which directly referenced the DOTL. This passage does not do that but it certainly does appear to be addressing the same period and afterwords. Even the first verse makes me think of Israel today (6 million) and the surrounding Islamic countries (1billion +)

Isa 54:1 Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the LORD.


And the final verses appear to reference the time of trouble and the millennium. God indicates that He is the one who raises up the "waster to destroy" which would correspond with many of the Revelation passages. Then he talks about a time of peace and righteousness.

Isa 54:13 And all thy children shall be taught of the LORD; and great shall be the peace of thy children.
Isa 54:14 In righteousness shalt thou be established: thou shalt be far from oppression; for thou shalt not fear: and from terror; for it shall not come near thee.
Isa 54:15 Behold, they shall surely gather together, but not by me: whosoever shall gather together against thee shall fall for thy sake.
Isa 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.
Isa 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.


Thank you for your input! That's what I need.
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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby Ready1 on Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:34 am

This next point is so massively documented that I will break it into the OT passages in this post and the NT possible correlations in the next post. Here are the passages that are listed in Point No. 6. Keep in mind that these passages have the "DOTL" referenced in them although it may not be in the verses that we are quoting here.

6. God brings the nations to fight against Him. It is a day of battle and multitudes are destroyed (Is 13:4-5, 14-20; Is 34:2, Eze 13:5, 30:2-3; Joe 1:15, 3:1-14; Oba 1:15-16; Zep 1:2-14, 2:4-9; Zec 14:1-3; Mal 4:1)


Isa 13:3 I have commanded my sanctified ones, I have also called my mighty ones for mine anger, even them that rejoice in my highness.
Isa 13:4 The noise of a multitude in the mountains, like as of a great people; a tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together: the LORD of hosts mustereth the host of the battle.
Isa 13:5 They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.
Isa 13:6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.

Isa 13:14 And it shall be as the chased roe, and as a sheep that no man taketh up: they shall every man turn to his own people, and flee every one into his own land.
Isa 13:15 Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.
Isa 13:16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.
Isa 13:17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.
Isa 13:18 Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare children.
Isa 13:19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.

Isa 34:2 For the indignation of the LORD is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter.
Isa 34:3 Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood.

Eze 13:5 Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the LORD.

Eze 30:2 Son of man, prophesy and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Howl ye, Woe worth the day!
Eze 30:3 For the day is near, even the day of the LORD is near, a cloudy day; it shall be the time of the heathen.

Joe 1:15 Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come.

Joe 3:1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,
Joe 3:2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.
Joe 3:3 And they have cast lots for my people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink.
Joe 3:4 Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine? will ye render me a recompence? and if ye recompense me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head;
Joe 3:5 Because ye have taken my silver and my gold, and have carried into your temples my goodly pleasant things:
Joe 3:6 The children also of Judah and the children of Jerusalem have ye sold unto the Grecians, that ye might remove them far from their border.
Joe 3:7 Behold, I will raise them out of the place whither ye have sold them, and will return your recompence upon your own head:
Joe 3:8 And I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of the children of Judah, and they shall sell them to the Sabeans, to a people far off: for the LORD hath spoken it.
Joe 3:9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:
Joe 3:10 Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.
Joe 3:11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD.
Joe 3:12 Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.
Joe 3:13 Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great.
Joe 3:14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.

Oba 1:15 For the day of the LORD is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head.
Oba 1:16 For as ye have drunk upon my holy mountain, so shall all the heathen drink continually, yea, they shall drink, and they shall swallow down, and they shall be as though they had not been.

Zep 1:2 I will utterly consume all things from off the land, saith the LORD.
Zep 1:3 I will consume man and beast; I will consume the fowls of the heaven, and the fishes of the sea, and the stumblingblocks with the wicked; and I will cut off man from off the land, saith the LORD.
Zep 1:4 I will also stretch out mine hand upon Judah, and upon all the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and I will cut off the remnant of Baal from this place, and the name of the Chemarims with the priests;
Zep 1:5 And them that worship the host of heaven upon the housetops; and them that worship and that swear by the LORD, and that swear by Malcham;
Zep 1:6 And them that are turned back from the LORD; and those that have not sought the LORD, nor enquired for him.
Zep 1:7 Hold thy peace at the presence of the Lord GOD: for the day of the LORD is at hand: for the LORD hath prepared a sacrifice, he hath bid his guests.
Zep 1:8 And it shall come to pass in the day of the LORD'S sacrifice, that I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel.
Zep 1:9 In the same day also will I punish all those that leap on the threshold, which fill their masters' houses with violence and deceit.
Zep 1:10 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD, that there shall be the noise of a cry from the fish gate, and an howling from the second, and a great crashing from the hills.
Zep 1:11 Howl, ye inhabitants of Maktesh, for all the merchant people are cut down; all they that bear silver are cut off.
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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby Ready1 on Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:36 pm

6. God brings the nations to fight against Him. It is a day of battle and multitudes are destroyed (Is 13:4-5, 14-20; Is 34:2, Eze 13:5, 30:2-3; Joe 1:15, 3:1-14; Oba 1:15-16; Zep 1:2-14, 2:4-9; Zec 14:1-3; Mal 4:1)


These are NT passages which indicate that God will bring about an end time battle of the ungodly.

1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Rev 14:15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
Rev 14:16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
Rev 14:17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
Rev 14:18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
Rev 14:19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
Rev 14:20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
Rev 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
Rev 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
Rev 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
Rev 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
Rev 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
Rev 17:17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
Rev 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
Rev 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.


I suspect that there are many others. I would be happy for your help.
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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby Ready1 on Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:57 pm

Here are the original scriptures that I gave which indicate God's anger, wrath, vengeance, & destruction during the DOTL. Once again, I will post the original scriptures on this post and the scriptures in Revelation which may correspond to them on the next post.

7. God is angry and His wrath and His vengeance and destruction is poured out on sinners and Israel’s enemies (Is 13:9, 11, 13, Is 34:2-6, 8; Jer 46:10; Lam 2:22; Joe 1:15-20; Joe 2:11; Zep 1:2-14, 17; 2:2-3; Zec 14:12-15; Mal 4:1, 1 Thes 5:2-3; 2 Pet 3:10)


Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
Isa 13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
Isa 13:13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

Isa 34:2 For the indignation of the LORD is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter.
Isa 34:3 Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood.
Isa 34:4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.
Isa 34:5 For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment.
Isa 34:6 The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.
Isa 34:8 For it is the day of the LORD'S vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.

Jer 46:10 For this is the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord GOD of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates.

Lam 2:22 Thou hast called as in a solemn day my terrors round about, so that in the day of the LORD'S anger none escaped nor remained: those that I have swaddled and brought up hath mine enemy consumed.

Joe 1:15 Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come.
Joe 1:16 Is not the meat cut off before our eyes, yea, joy and gladness from the house of our God?
Joe 1:17 The seed is rotten under their clods, the garners are laid desolate, the barns are broken down; for the corn is withered.
Joe 1:18 How do the beasts groan! the herds of cattle are perplexed, because they have no pasture; yea, the flocks of sheep are made desolate.
Joe 1:19 O LORD, to thee will I cry: for the fire hath devoured the pastures of the wilderness, and the flame hath burned all the trees of the field.
Joe 1:20 The beasts of the field cry also unto thee: for the rivers of waters are dried up, and the fire hath devoured the pastures of the wilderness.

Joe 2:11 And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?

Zep 1:2 I will utterly consume all things from off the land, saith the LORD.
Zep 1:3 I will consume man and beast; I will consume the fowls of the heaven, and the fishes of the sea, and the stumblingblocks with the wicked; and I will cut off man from off the land, saith the LORD.
Zep 1:4 I will also stretch out mine hand upon Judah, and upon all the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and I will cut off the remnant of Baal from this place, and the name of the Chemarims with the priests;
Zep 1:5 And them that worship the host of heaven upon the housetops; and them that worship and that swear by the LORD, and that swear by Malcham;
Zep 1:6 And them that are turned back from the LORD; and those that have not sought the LORD, nor enquired for him.
Zep 1:7 Hold thy peace at the presence of the Lord GOD: for the day of the LORD is at hand: for the LORD hath prepared a sacrifice, he hath bid his guests.
Zep 1:8 And it shall come to pass in the day of the LORD'S sacrifice, that I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel.
Zep 1:9 In the same day also will I punish all those that leap on the threshold, which fill their masters' houses with violence and deceit.
Zep 1:10 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD, that there shall be the noise of a cry from the fish gate, and an howling from the second, and a great crashing from the hills.
Zep 1:11 Howl, ye inhabitants of Maktesh, for all the merchant people are cut down; all they that bear silver are cut off.
Zep 1:12 And it shall come to pass at that time, that I will search Jerusalem with candles, and punish the men that are settled on their lees: that say in their heart, The LORD will not do good, neither will he do evil.
Zep 1:13 Therefore their goods shall become a booty, and their houses a desolation: they shall also build houses, but not inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, but not drink the wine thereof.
Zep 1:14 The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.
Zep 1:15 That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,
Zep 1:16 A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers.
Zep 1:17 And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the LORD: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung.
Zep 1:18 Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD'S wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.

Mal 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby christian_m0mmy on Fri May 08, 2015 5:39 pm

I wish I could just sit and listen to you all talk about this in person. I find it endlessly fascinating.
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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby Ready1 on Thu May 21, 2015 10:57 am

I need to get this finished up: Here are the original scriptures that I gave which indicate God's anger, wrath, vengeance, & destruction during the DOTL. Following are the scriptures in Revelation which seem to correspond to them. Because there are so many I will break them into shorter sections and label them I, II, III etc.

7. God is angry and His wrath and His vengeance and destruction is poured out on sinners and Israel’s enemies (Is 13:9, 11, 13, Is 34:2-6, 8; Jer 46:10; Lam 2:22; Joe 1:15-20; Joe 2:11; Zep 1:2-14, 17; 2:2-3; Zec 14:12-15; Mal 4:1, 1 Thes 5:2-3; 2 Pet 3:10)


Section 1:

Rev 6:12 And when He had opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake. And the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood.
Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, even as a fig tree casts her untimely figs when she is shaken by a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed like a scroll when it is rolled together. And every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every freeman, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains.
Rev 6:16 And they said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him sitting on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb;
Rev 6:17 for the great day of His wrath has come, and who will be able to stand?

Rev 8:5 And the angel took the censer and filled it with fire from the altar, and cast it into the earth. And voices and thunderings and lightnings and an earthquake occurred.
Rev 8:6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.
Rev 8:7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mixed with blood, and they were cast on the earth. And the third part of trees was burned up, and all green grass was burned up.
Rev 8:8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea. And the third part of the sea became blood.
Rev 8:9 And the third part of the creatures in the sea, those having souls, died; and the third part of the ships was destroyed.
Rev 8:10 And the third angel sounded, and a great star burning like a lamp fell from the heaven, and it fell on the third part of the rivers and on the fountains of waters.
Rev 8:11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood, and a third part of the waters became wormwood. And many men died from the waters, because they were made bitter.

Rev 8:12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was stricken, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars, so that the third part of them was darkened, and the day did not appear for a third part of it, and the night also.
Rev 8:13 And I saw and I heard one angel flying in mid-heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe! Woe! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth, from the rest of the voices of the trumpet of the three angels being about to sound!

Rev 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded. And I saw a star fall from the heaven to the earth, and it was given the key of the abyss.
Rev 9:2 And it opened the bottomless pit. And there arose a smoke out of the pit, like the smoke of a great furnace. And the sun and air were darkened because of the smoke of the pit.
Rev 9:3 And out of the smoke came forth locusts onto the earth. And authority was given to them, as the scorpions of the earth have authority.
Rev 9:4 And they were commanded not to hurt the grass of the earth, or any green thing, or any tree, but only those men who do not have the seal of God in their foreheads.
Rev 9:5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months. And their torment was like a scorpion's torment when he stings a man.
Rev 9:6 And in those days men will seek death and will not find it. And they will long to die, and death will flee from them.
Rev 9:10 And they had tails like scorpions, and there were stings in their tails. And their authority was to hurt men five months.
Rev 9:15 And the four angels were loosed, who were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, in order to slay the third part of men.
Rev 9:16 And the number of the armies of the horsemen was two myriads of myriads. And I heard their number.
Rev 9:17 And so I saw the horses in the vision, and those sitting on them, having breastplates of fire, even dusky red and brimstone. And the heads of the horses were like the heads of lions. And out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
Rev 9:18 By these three the third part of men was killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone which issued out of their mouths.
Rev 9:19 For their authority is in their mouth and in their tails. For their tails were like serpents with heads, and with them they do harm.
Just observing.

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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby Ready1 on Thu May 21, 2015 11:06 am

Section II:

7. God is angry and His wrath and His vengeance and destruction is poured out on sinners and Israel’s enemies (Is 13:9, 11, 13, Is 34:2-6, 8; Jer 46:10; Lam 2:22; Joe 1:15-20; Joe 2:11; Zep 1:2-14, 17; 2:2-3; Zec 14:12-15; Mal 4:1, 1 Thes 5:2-3; 2 Pet 3:10)


Rev 11:3 And I will give power to My two witnesses, and they will prophesy a thousand, two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the God of the earth.
Rev 11:5 And if anyone will hurt them, fire proceeds out of their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone will hurt them, so it is right for him to be killed.
Rev 11:6 These have authority to shut up the heaven, that it may not rain in the days of their prophecy. And they have authority over waters to turn them to blood, and to strike the earth with every plague, as often as they desire.
Rev 11:13 And in that hour a great earthquake occurred, and the tenth part of the city fell. And seven thousand names of men were slain in the earthquake. And the rest were frightened and gave glory to the God of Heaven.

Rev 11:18 And the nations were full of wrath, and Your wrath came, and the time of the judging of the dead, and to give the reward to Your servants the prophets, and to the saints, and to the ones fearing Your name, to the small and to the great, and to destroy those destroying the earth.
Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in Heaven, and there was seen in His temple the ark of His covenant, and there occurred lightnings and voices, and thunders and an earthquake, and a great hail.

Rev 14:7 saying with a great voice, Fear God and give glory to Him! For the hour of His judgment has come. And worship Him who made the heaven and the earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Rev 14:8 And another angel followed, saying, The great city, Babylon, has fallen, has fallen; because of the wine of the anger of her fornication; she has made all nations to drink.
Rev 14:9 And a third angel followed them, saying with a great voice, If anyone worships the beast and its image, and receives a mark in his forehead or in his hand,
Rev 14:10 he also will drink of the wine of the anger of God, having been mixed undiluted in the cup of His wrath. And he will be tormented by fire and brimstone before the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb.
Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever. And they have no rest day or night, those who worship the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.

Rev 14:15 Then another angel came out from the temple and cried out in a loud voice to the one who was sitting on the cloud, "Use your sickle and reap the harvest, because the time has come; the earth is ripe for the harvest!"
Rev 14:16 Then the one who sat on the cloud swung his sickle on the earth, and the earth's harvest was reaped.
Rev 14:17 Then I saw another angel come out of the temple in heaven, and he also had a sharp sickle.
Rev 14:18 Then another angel, who is in charge of the fire, came from the altar. He shouted in a loud voice to the angel who had the sharp sickle, "Use your sickle, and cut the grapes from the vineyard of the earth, because the grapes are ripe!"
Rev 14:19 So the angel swung his sickle on the earth, cut the grapes from the vine, and threw them into the wine press of God's furious anger.
Rev 14:20 The grapes were squeezed out in the wine press outside the city, and blood came out of the wine press in a flood two hundred miles long and about five feet deep.

Rev 15:1 Then I saw in the sky another mysterious sight, great and amazing. There were seven angels with seven plagues, which are the last ones, because they are the final expression of God's anger.

Rev 15:7 Then one of the four living creatures gave the seven angels seven gold bowls full of the anger of God, who lives forever and ever.
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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby Ready1 on Thu May 21, 2015 11:14 am

Section III:


7. God is angry and His wrath and His vengeance and destruction is poured out on sinners and Israel’s enemies (Is 13:9, 11, 13, Is 34:2-6, 8; Jer 46:10; Lam 2:22; Joe 1:15-20; Joe 2:11; Zep 1:2-14, 17; 2:2-3; Zec 14:12-15; Mal 4:1, 1 Thes 5:2-3; 2 Pet 3:10)


Rev 16:1 Then I heard a loud voice speaking from the temple to the seven angels: "Go and pour out the seven bowls of God's anger on the earth!"
Rev 16:2 The first angel went and poured out his bowl on the earth. Terrible and painful sores appeared on those who had the mark of the beast and on those who had worshiped its image.
Rev 16:3 Then the second angel poured out his bowl on the sea. The water became like the blood of a dead person, and every living creature in the sea died.
Rev 16:4 Then the third angel poured out his bowl on the rivers and the springs of water, and they turned into blood.
Rev 16:5 I heard the angel in charge of the waters say, "The judgments you have made are just, O Holy One, you who are and who were!
Rev 16:6 They poured out the blood of God's people and of the prophets, and so you have given them blood to drink. They are getting what they deserve!"
Rev 16:7 Then I heard a voice from the altar saying, "Lord God Almighty! True and just indeed are your judgments!"
Rev 16:8 Then the fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and it was allowed to burn people with its fiery heat.
Rev 16:9 They were burned by the fierce heat, and they cursed the name of God, who has authority over these plagues. But they would not turn from their sins and praise his greatness.
Rev 16:10 Then the fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast. Darkness fell over the beast's kingdom, and people bit their tongues because of their pain,
Rev 16:11 and they cursed the God of heaven for their pains and sores. But they did not turn from their evil ways.
Rev 16:12 Then the sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great Euphrates River. The river dried up, to provide a way for the kings who come from the east.
Rev 16:13 Then I saw three unclean spirits that looked like frogs. They were coming out of the mouth of the dragon, the mouth of the beast, and the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 16:14 They are the spirits of demons that perform miracles. These three spirits go out to all the kings of the world, to bring them together for the battle on the great Day of Almighty God.
Rev 16:15 "Listen! I am coming like a thief ! Happy is he who stays awake and guards his clothes, so that he will not walk around naked and be ashamed in public!"
Rev 16:16 Then the spirits brought the kings together in the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon.
Rev 16:17 Then the seventh angel poured out his bowl in the air. A loud voice came from the throne in the temple, saying, "It is done!"
Rev 16:18 There were flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder, and a terrible earthquake. There has never been such an earthquake since the creation of human beings; this was the worst earthquake of all!
Rev 16:19 The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of all countries were destroyed. God remembered great Babylon and made her drink the wine from his cup---the wine of his furious anger.
Rev 16:20 All the islands disappeared, all the mountains vanished.
Rev 16:21 Huge hailstones, each weighing as much as a hundred pounds, fell from the sky on people, who cursed God on account of the plague of hail, because it was such a terrible plague.

Rev 19:11 Then I saw heaven open, and there was a white horse. Its rider is called Faithful and True; it is with justice that he judges and fights his battles.
Rev 19:12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and he wore many crowns on his head. He had a name written on him, but no one except himself knows what it is.
Rev 19:13 The robe he wore was covered with blood. His name is "The Word of God."
Rev 19:14 The armies of heaven followed him, riding on white horses and dressed in clean white linen.
Rev 19:15 Out of his mouth came a sharp sword, with which he will defeat the nations. He will rule over them with a rod of iron, and he will trample out the wine in the wine press of the furious anger of the Almighty God.
Rev 19:16 On his robe and on his thigh was written the name: "King of kings and Lord of lords."
Rev 19:17 Then I saw an angel standing on the sun. He shouted in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair: "Come and gather together for God's great feast!
Rev 19:18 Come and eat the flesh of kings, generals, and soldiers, the flesh of horses and their riders, the flesh of all people, slave and free, great and small!"
Rev 19:19 Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered to fight against the one who was riding the horse and against his army.
Rev 19:20 The beast was taken prisoner, together with the false prophet who had performed miracles in his presence. (It was by those miracles that he had deceived those who had the mark of the beast and those who had worshiped the image of the beast.) The beast and the false prophet were both thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.
Rev 19:21 Their armies were killed by the sword that comes out of the mouth of the one who was riding the horse; and all the birds ate all they could of their flesh.


From the volume of scripture, it seems very plain that God is angry and His wrath and His vengeance and destruction is poured out on sinners and Israel’s enemies.
Just observing.

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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby Ready1 on Sun May 31, 2015 1:17 pm

8. Cosmic and supernatural signs are apparent (sun darkened, moon and constellations, no light). (Is 13:10, Joe 2:10; Joe 3:15-16; Amo 5:18, 20; Zep 1:15; Zec 14:4-7)


Old Testament References:
Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
Joe 2:10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:
Joe 3:15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.
Joe 3:16 The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.
Amo 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.
Amo 5:20 Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?
Zep 1:15 That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,
Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
Zec 14:6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
Zec 14:7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.


New Testament References
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Mar 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

Rev 8:12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

Rev 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.


If I have missed any scriptures, let me know...
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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby Ready1 on Wed Jun 10, 2015 12:33 pm

9. This time is characterized by darkness, fire, desolation, and changes in Jerusalem. (Joe 2:2-3; Zep 1:15, 18; Zec 14:8; Mal 4:5-6 (Elijah))


Old Testament
Joe 2:1 ...Let everyone tremble in fear because the day of the LORD is upon us.
Joe 2:2 It is a day of darkness and gloom, a day of thick clouds and deep blackness. Suddenly, like dawn spreading across the mountains, a great and mighty army appears. Nothing like it has been seen before or will ever be seen again.
Joe 2:3 Fire burns in front of them, and flames follow after them. Ahead of them the land lies as beautiful as the Garden of Eden. Behind them is nothing but desolation; not one thing escapes.

Zep 1:15 It will be a day when the LORD's anger is poured out—a day of terrible distress and anguish, a day of ruin and desolation, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and blackness,
Zep 1:18 Your silver and gold will not save you on that day of the LORD's anger. For the whole land will be devoured by the fire of His jealousy. He will make a terrifying end of all the people on earth.

Zec 14:4 On that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem. And the Mount of Olives will split apart, making a wide valley running from east to west. Half the mountain will move toward the north and half toward the south.
Zec 14:6 On that day the sources of light will no longer shine,
Zec 14:8 On that day life-giving waters will flow out from Jerusalem, half toward the Dead Sea and half toward the Mediterranean, flowing continuously in both summer and winter.

Mal 4:1 The LORD of Heaven's Armies says, "The day of judgment is coming, burning like a furnace. On that day the arrogant and the wicked will be burned up like straw. They will be consumed—roots, branches, and all.
Mal 4:5 "Look, I am sending you the prophet Elijah before the great and dreadful day of the LORD arrives.
Mal 4:6 His preaching will turn the hearts of fathers to their children, and the hearts of children to their fathers. Otherwise I will come and strike the land with a curse."



New Testament:
Rev 6:12 I watched as the Lamb broke the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake. The sun became as dark as black cloth, and the moon became as red as blood.
Rev 6:13 Then the stars of the sky fell to the earth like green figs falling from a tree shaken by a strong wind.
Rev 6:14 The sky was rolled up like a scroll, and all of the mountains and islands were moved from their places.

Rev 8:7 The first angel blew his trumpet, and hail and fire mixed with blood were thrown down on the earth. One-third of the earth was set on fire, one-third of the trees were burned, and all the green grass was burned.
Rev 8:8 Then the second angel blew his trumpet, and a great mountain of fire was thrown into the sea. One-third of the water in the sea became blood,
Rev 8:9 one-third of all things living in the sea died, and one-third of all the ships on the sea were destroyed.
Rev 8:10 Then the third angel blew his trumpet, and a great star fell from the sky, burning like a torch. It fell on one-third of the rivers and on the springs of water.
Rev 8:11 The name of the star was Bitterness. It made one-third of the water bitter, and many people died from drinking the bitter water.
Rev 8:12 Then the fourth angel blew his trumpet, and one-third of the sun was struck, and one-third of the moon, and one-third of the stars, and they became dark. And one-third of the day was dark, and also one-third of the night.
Rev 8:13 Then I looked, and I heard a single eagle crying loudly as it flew through the air, "Terror, terror, terror to all who belong to this world because of what will happen when the last three angels blow their trumpets."

Rev 9:2 When he opened it, smoke poured out as though from a huge furnace, and the sunlight and air turned dark from the smoke.
Rev 9:3 Then locusts came from the smoke and descended on the earth, and they were given power to sting like scorpions.

Rev 9:17 And in my vision, I saw the horses and the riders sitting on them. The riders wore armor that was fiery red and dark blue and yellow. The horses had heads like lions, and fire and smoke and burning sulfur billowed from their mouths.
Rev 9:18 One-third of all the people on earth were killed by these three plagues—by the fire and smoke and burning sulfur that came from the mouths of the horses.
Rev 9:19 Their power was in their mouths and in their tails. For their tails had heads like snakes, with the power to injure people.

Rev 11:5 If anyone tries to harm them, fire flashes from their mouths and consumes their enemies. This is how anyone who tries to harm them must die.
Rev 11:6 They have power to shut the sky so that no rain will fall for as long as they prophesy. And they have the power to turn the rivers and oceans into blood, and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they wish.
Rev 11:13 At the same time there was a terrible earthquake that destroyed a tenth of the city. Seven thousand people died in that earthquake, and everyone else was terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.
Rev 11:14 The second terror is past, but look, the third terror is coming quickly.

Rev 14:9 Then a third angel followed them, shouting, "Anyone who worships the beast and his statue or who accepts his mark on the forehead or on the hand
Rev 14:10 must drink the wine of God's anger. It has been poured full strength into God's cup of wrath. And they will be tormented with fire and burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and the Lamb.
Rev 14:11 The smoke of their torment will rise forever and ever, and they will have no relief day or night, for they have worshiped the beast and his statue and have accepted the mark of his name."
Rev 14:12 This means that God's holy people must endure persecution patiently, obeying His commands and maintaining their faith in Jesus.
Rev 14:18 Then another angel, who had power to destroy with fire, came from the altar. He shouted to the angel with the sharp sickle, "Swing your sickle now to gather the clusters of grapes from the vines of the earth, for they are ripe for judgment."
Rev 14:19 So the angel swung his sickle over the earth and loaded the grapes into the great winepress of God's wrath.

Rev 16:8 Then the fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, causing it to scorch everyone with its fire.
Rev 16:9 Everyone was burned by this blast of heat, and they cursed the name of God, who had control over all these plagues. They did not repent of their sins and turn to God and give Him glory.
Rev 16:10 Then the fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and his kingdom was plunged into darkness. His subjects ground their teeth in anguish,
Rev 16:11 and they cursed the God of heaven for their pains and sores. But they did not repent of their evil deeds and turn to God.

Rev 18:8 Therefore, these plagues will overtake her in a single day—death and mourning and famine. She will be completely consumed by fire, for the Lord God who judges her is mighty."
Rev 18:9 And the kings of the world who committed adultery with her and enjoyed her great luxury will mourn for her as they see the smoke rising from her charred remains.


This is the final set of scriptures which deal with the DOTL. If I have missed any which directly reference the DOTL, please let me know. On the other hand, a vast body of scripture in the Revelation speaks of the same things as the DOTL scriptures reference. With that in mind, would anyone care to state their opinion as to how long of a period the day of the Lord encompasses?
Just observing.

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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby Resurrection Torchlight on Thu Jun 11, 2015 8:22 am

2 Peter 3:3-13
3 Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts,
4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation.”
5 For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water,
6 through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water.
7 But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
8 But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.
9 The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up.
11 Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness,
12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat!
13 But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.


According to Peter the Day of the Lord comes like a thief:

Revelation tells us when that happens, when Jesus visibly returns after the sixth and seventh bowls are poured:
Revelation 16:12-17
12 The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river, the Euphrates; and its water was dried up, so that the way would be prepared for the kings from the east.
13 And I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs;
14 for they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them together for the war of the great day of God, the Almighty.
15 (“Behold, I am coming like a thief. Blessed is the one who stays awake and keeps his clothes, so that he will not walk about naked and men will not see his shame.”)
16 And they gathered them together to the place which in Hebrew is called Har-Magedon.


Peter also says that within the Day of the Lord, the heavens and Earth will be burned up in intense heat. Revelation also tells us when this happens:

Revelation 20:7-11
7 When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison,
8 and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore.
9 And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them.
10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them.


Peter confirms this earlier in verse 7 when he says that the present heavens and earth will be destroyed by fire on the day of judgment, when ungodly men are also destroyed.

In verse 8 Peter says:
But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.


So if Peter tells us that one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day, and that the earth and heavens are destroyed within the Day Of the Lord, and the Revelation seems to indicate that that happens "after the thousand years", then the Day of the Lord would be 1000 years long. beginning with Christ's return to set up His millennial Kingdom and ending on Judgement day- 1000 years later.

That is how I see things.

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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby Ready1 on Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:49 pm

I have listed all the scriptures in the NT which refer to the DOTL as well as scriptures in Revelation that correspond to OT descriptions of the Day of the Lord.

Mat 24:29-30, Mar 13:24, Luk 21:25-26, 1Th 5:2-3, Heb 12:26, 2Pe 3:10,

Rev 6:12-17, Rev 8:5-13, Rev 9:1-6, Rev 9:10, Rev 9:15-21, Rev 11:3-6, Rev 11:13-14, Rev 11:18-19,
Rev 14:7-20, Rev 15:1, Rev 15:7, Rev 16:1-21, Rev 17:12-17, Rev 18:8-9, Rev 19:11-21, and Rev 20:4

Based upon this comprehensive list of scriptures, the DOTL can start no later than Rev 6:12 at the opening of the sixth seal and ends before the first resurrection of Rev 20:4. It does not encompass the millennium. It is "great and terrible" according to Joel! :grin:
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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby Straightshot on Mon Jun 15, 2015 6:00 am

Response to the OP

Revelation 6:12-17 is the beginning of the day of the Lord with respect to an unbelieving world .... this portent leads up to the brief period of silence, the sealing if the 144000 of Israel .... and the first judgment upon the earth

The conditions set therein will be the prevailing background of the tribulation period which will last for 2550 days [1260+1260+30] [Daniel 9, 12]

The Lord's purpose will be to punish the world for refusing to believe the truth about Him and to pressure Israel for turning to Him [2 Thessalonians 2:8-12; Jeremiah 30]

There will be a brief period of silence just after the 7th seal is removed [all of the seals are portents of the coming judgment and must be removed before the scroll will open]

..... and the 144000 mortals of the children of Israel will be sealed for protection from the wiles of the tribulation during their service [Revelation 7:1-8; 14:1-7]

The first judgment event will be the destruction of the "great city" of Mystery Babylon the Great [the unbelieving world] [Revelation 8:6-12; 14:8; 18:1-21]

.... but just before, the Lord will call His true ecclesia of both the dead and the living to immortality [1 Corinthians 15:20-23; 15:51-58; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 2 Thessalonians 2:1; Revelation 3:10; 18:4]

This day of the Lord will then continue on including His millennial kingdom upon the earth [Micah 4:1-3; Revelation 20:1-6] and then His eternal kingdom with a new heavens and earth .... this setting will never end [Revelation 21]
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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby Resurrection Torchlight on Wed Jun 17, 2015 7:18 am

Ready1 wrote:I have listed all the scriptures in the NT which refer to the DOTL as well as scriptures in Revelation that correspond to OT descriptions of the Day of the Lord.

Mat 24:29-30, Mar 13:24, Luk 21:25-26, 1Th 5:2-3, Heb 12:26, 2Pe 3:10,

Rev 6:12-17, Rev 8:5-13, Rev 9:1-6, Rev 9:10, Rev 9:15-21, Rev 11:3-6, Rev 11:13-14, Rev 11:18-19,
Rev 14:7-20, Rev 15:1, Rev 15:7, Rev 16:1-21, Rev 17:12-17, Rev 18:8-9, Rev 19:11-21, and Rev 20:4

Based upon this comprehensive list of scriptures, the DOTL can start no later than Rev 6:12 at the opening of the sixth seal and ends before the first resurrection of Rev 20:4. It does not encompass the millennium. It is "great and terrible" according to Joel! :grin:


So then you do not consider the following as great and awesome (terrible)?

Revelation 20:7-11
7 When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison,
8 and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore.
9 And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them.
10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them.


Revelation 20:14-15
14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire
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Zephaniah 1:17-18
17 I will bring distress on men
So that they will walk like the blind,
Because they have sinned against the Lord;
And their blood will be poured out like dust
And their flesh like dung.
18 Neither their silver nor their gold
Will be able to deliver them
On the day of the Lord’s wrath;
And all the earth will be devoured
In the fire of His jealousy,
For He will make a complete end,
Indeed a terrifying one,
Of all the inhabitants of the earth.


Zephaniah tells us that the day of the Lord's wrath, which is also known as the day of the Lord, includes the destruction of the earth and the complete annihilation of the inhabitants of the earth. How then can you claim that the day of the Lord does not encompass the millennial kingdom? We know that the destruction of the present earth does not happen until the millennium has finished. We also know that mortals will inhabit the earth during the millennium and that their "complete" end will not come until after Satan has been released and they gather against the saints in Jerusalem, when God devours them with fire from heaven. Not to mention that Peter tells us that the the destruction of the current heavens and earth are included in the day of the Lord as well, as I have mentioned in my previous post.

Malachi also speaks to the same idea concerning the day of God's wrath, the day of the Lord, when all evildoers will be chaff, set ablaze, completely removed without root or branch:

Malachi 4:1-3
1 “For behold, the day is coming, burning like a furnace; and all the arrogant and every evildoer will be chaff; and the day that is coming will set them ablaze,” says the Lord of hosts, “so that it will leave them neither root nor branch.”
2 “But for you who fear My name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings; and you will go forth and skip about like calves from the stall.
3 “You will tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day which I am preparing,” says the Lord of hosts.



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Re: Understanding the "day of the Lord"

Postby Ready1 on Thu Aug 13, 2015 5:20 pm

I have thought over the scriptures which you have set out, RT. The DOTL in scripture is, as you correctly note, a time of the Lord's wrath which he pours out on unbelieving man. Man who, in the face of evidence refuse to turn their hearts to him. As such, from my studies, I do not see any scripture which would cause me to think that the millennium is included in the DOTL. It rather is a time of peace and God's favor.

But it may be that the millennium is only a hiatus, a parenthesis if you please, of the Day of the Lord. After the one thousand year reign of Jesus, there is definitely a time when God brings man to final judgment. And it is ugly.

So I am rethinking what I said about about the post millennial period up to the GWT judgment. I am leaning toward this also being a part of the DOTL.

Sorry for not responding sooner but I had to think about this one for awhile... :grin:
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