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Postby extravagantchristian on Fri May 08, 2020 11:58 am

What is "the law" that Paul is talking about in galations?

Was is the commands given in Leviticus like, don't eat pork, circumcision, stone people who commit adultery? It's that the law he's talking about?
Matthew 1:22
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Re: Galations- law

Postby shorttribber on Fri May 08, 2020 4:36 pm

extravagantchristian wrote:What is "the law" that Paul is talking about in galations?

Was is the commands given in Leviticus like, don't eat pork, circumcision, stone people who commit adultery? It's that the law he's talking about?

The Law of Moses, that Old Covenant Law that included all temple laws and ordinances ,and social laws also
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Re: Galations- law

Postby Ready1 on Sat May 09, 2020 7:28 am

shorttribber wrote:
extravagantchristian wrote:What is "the law" that Paul is talking about in galations?

Was is the commands given in Leviticus like, don't eat pork, circumcision, stone people who commit adultery? It's that the law he's talking about?

The Law of Moses, that Old Covenant Law that included all temple laws and ordinances ,and social laws also


I agree with ST. The whole law given to Moses on Mt. Sinai.
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Re: Galations- law

Postby extravagantchristian on Sat May 09, 2020 8:14 am

So the 10 commandments?

Is Paul saying that we shouldn't keep the 10 commandments in Galatians?
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Re: Galations- law

Postby bchandler on Sat May 09, 2020 8:51 am

If you look at Jesus words to the Pharisees, you will see that Jesus standard is higher than the standard that the Pharisees were setting and they were the keepers of the law. Paul isn’t saying that we shouldn’t keep good morals or the 10 Commandments, he’s basically saying that we are not under condemnation of the law. Jesus sacrifice set us free from the condemnation of the law. While we are not under a command to keep the law as in the Torah, we are under command to be harmless as doves. So we are expected to keep the moral values that are set forth in the scripture, and Jesus standard for those moral values was even higher than the standards set by the law, or the Pharisees
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Re: Galations- law

Postby Ready1 on Sat May 09, 2020 9:12 am

extravagantchristian wrote:So the 10 commandments?

Is Paul saying that we shouldn't keep the 10 commandments in Galatians?


There is every reason why we should keep the 10 Commandments, but we are unable to do so because we are sinners. We cannot be "good enough" to gain merit with God. So Paul is asking whether blessing of the Holy Spirit comes, due to what we have done, (being good like the law tells us) or has it come because of what we have believed and what we are trusting in (the message of salvation through the Lord Jesus Christ) ?

Gal 3:2 Let me ask you this one question: Did you receive the Holy Spirit by obeying the law of Moses? Of course not! You received the Spirit because you believed the message you heard about Christ.
Gal 3:3 How foolish can you be? After starting your Christian lives in the Spirit, why are you now trying to become perfect by your own human effort?
Gal 3:4 Have you experienced so much for nothing? Surely it was not in vain, was it?
Gal 3:5 I ask you again, does God give you the Holy Spirit and work miracles among you because you obey the law? Of course not! It is because you believe the message you heard about Christ.
Gal 3:6 In the same way, "Abraham believed God, and God counted him as righteous because of his faith."


Romans 7 shares info on this topic as well.

Rom 7:4 So, my dear brothers and sisters, this is the point: You died to the power of the law when you died with Christ. And now you are united with the One who was raised from the dead. As a result, we can produce a harvest of good deeds for God.
Rom 7:5 When we were controlled by our old nature, sinful desires were at work within us, and the law aroused these evil desires that produced a harvest of sinful deeds, resulting in death.
Rom 7:6 But now we have been released from the law, for we died to it and are no longer captive to its power. Now we can serve God, not in the old way of obeying the letter of the law, but in the new way of living in the Spirit.


Romans 6 talks about this also, and gives the beautiful imagery of what Christian baptism symbolizes: when we go into the water and are completely immersed, it symbolizes the death of our "old man" (the sinful part of us which Jesus paid for and was crucified for, and the part of us that cannot keep from sinning) and when we come back out of the water it symbolizes rising again (like Jesus did from the grave) so that we can walk a life which follows Jesus in "newness of life" in the power of the Holy Spirit.

Rom 6:4 For we died and were buried with Christ by baptism. And just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glorious power of the Father, now we also may live new lives.
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Re: Galations- law

Postby keithareilly on Sun May 10, 2020 5:05 am

Ready1 wrote
Romans 6 talks about this also, and gives the beautiful imagery of what Christian baptism symbolizes: when we go into the water and are completely immersed, it symbolizes the death of our "old man" (the sinful part of us which Jesus paid for and was crucified for, and the part of us that cannot keep from sinning) and when we come back out of the water it symbolizes rising again (like Jesus did from the grave) so that we can walk a life which follows Jesus in "newness of life" in the power of the Holy Spirit.


Absolutely correct.

Hebrews 2:14-15
14Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, 15and might free those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives.

1 John 4:15-18
15Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God. 16We have come to know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and the one who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him. 17By this, love is perfected with us, so that we may have confidence in the day of judgment; because as He is, so also are we in this world. 18There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love.

Fear of death, the wages of sin, is the key to the power of controlling people.

Because we have already had Christ's death applied to us as the wages for our sins, the law of the wages of sin is death has been accomplished. There is no longer any reason to be afraid of sinning and earning death. The perfect love of God has already paid what we have earned, through sinless Christ's unearned death.

The price has already been paid, the law's sentence has been satisfied. Justice already accomplished. There is no more earning death; for God has set us free from the law of sin and death. He did this by applying Christ's death for our sins; furthermore, by participating in that death; we, like any other who person who dies, are no longer subject to the law. Therefore, We need not fear the consequences of sinning. There is no longer any reason to fear earning death for we are no longer under the law, therefore, those who use our fear of the law of sin and death no longer have any tools with which to subjugate us.

We are so free of the law of sin and death that we can approaching the thrown in confidence, instead of fear, and we are told to do exactly this in our times of need, like, when we are struggling to overcome sin, and fail repeatedly. Even with 70 times 7 times of failing to overcome sin, we are instructed to still to approach the thrown in confidence.

Hebrews 4:14-16
14Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. 15For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin. 16Therefore let us draw near with confidence to the throne of grace, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

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