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The main difference between historicism and futurism, is that the historicist (like the futurist) is watching for prophetic events to occur, and when he feels a biblical prophetic event has come to pass ... he reports on it.
The futurist also watches, but most futurist prophecy teachers tend to attempt to tell us ... “what is going to happen” rather than what has happened.
This is the luxury of futurist authors ... considerable assumption and speculation ... however, it sells a lot of books to us students of prophecy.
Historicism ... some of Revelation has been fulfilled and some of Revelation yet to be fulfilled. EB Elliott Charles Spurgeon. Papacy one of the beasts and the Church of Rome the great harlot church described in Revelation.
sacredcowbasher wrote:When you get to Rev 6 and the seals are opened, it tells us that the first beast (KJV) says to John come and see. John tells us what he sees. I believe the first beast equates to the first seal, the second beast equates to the second and so forth. This brings some light on the fact that the first beast having the face of a lion is significant if the first seal in the Lord Jesus. He is the lion of the tribe of Judah, and it would be fitting that the first seal would be immediately opened and He would be the first seal because of His victory at the cross, and His being given all authority in heaven and earth.The second seal would be 'religion' based on the horse being red, a great 'sword' was given to him (the sword of the spirit), and the second beast had the face of a calf, representing animal sacrifice which is bloody. Most of the world rejected Jesus and clung to their religious traditions which throughout the ages produced many wars.The third seal is fuzzy for me, but the man, the face of the man represents God the Father who holds the scales in Hishands. He gives the decree about the wheat and barley, and says not to hurt the oil and the wine. If the oil is the remnant of Israel and the wine is the church, we know that that decree would last for so long, because we know believers will be put to death, not all but some for sure.
sacredcowbasher wrote:The fourth seal being opened by the fourth beast...............[continues]
sacredcowbasher wrote: I don't think we would take anything away from the living creature's dignity or glory if in fact they are associated with what we know as the four horsemen of the apocalypse (the first four seals).
canada wrote:THE BOOK OF REVELATION AND ITS INTERPRETATION
There are three common interpretations of this prophetic book:
Partial preterism ... most of Revelation has been fulfilled.
RC Sproul John Piper etc. ... Nero (Nrn Qsr) usually the numbered beast.
Historicism ... some of Revelation has been fulfilled and some of Revelation yet to be fulfilled. EB Elliott Charles Spurgeon. Papacy one of the beasts and the Church of Rome the great harlot church described in Revelation.
Futurism ... some of Revelation has been fulfilled but most has yet to be fulfilled. John Darby, C I Scofield, Hal Lindsay etc. I think the Jesuit priest Alcazar held to futurism as the finger of prophecy was starting to point to his church at that time.
There is another “interpretation” of Revelation called full preterism ... all prophecy has been fulfilled ... most consider this view heretical.
I was a futurist for ten years ... my books by futurist authors stack higher than myself.
I am now an historicist ... do they have all the answers? No, but I believe they are closer to the truth than the other isms.
The main difference between historicism and futurism, is that the historicist (like the futurist) is watching for prophetic events to occur, and when he feels a biblical prophetic event has come to pass ... he reports on it.
The futurist also watches, but most futurist prophecy teachers tend to attempt to tell us ... “what is going to happen” rather than what has happened.
This is the luxury of futurist authors ... considerable assumption and speculation ... however, it sells a lot of books to us students of prophecy.
canada wrote:No problem to you both ... I made a mistake ... once!!
canada wrote:THE BOOK OF REVELATION AND ITS INTERPRETATION
There are three common interpretations of this prophetic book:
Partial preterism ... most of Revelation has been fulfilled.
RC Sproul John Piper etc. ... Nero (Nrn Qsr) usually the numbered beast.
Historicism ... some of Revelation has been fulfilled and some of Revelation yet to be fulfilled. EB Elliott Charles Spurgeon. Papacy one of the beasts and the Church of Rome the great harlot church described in Revelation.
Futurism ... some of Revelation has been fulfilled but most has yet to be fulfilled. John Darby, C I Scofield, Hal Lindsay etc. I think the Jesuit priest Alcazar held to futurism as the finger of prophecy was starting to point to his church at that time.
There is another “interpretation” of Revelation called full preterism ... all prophecy has been fulfilled ... most consider this view heretical.
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canada wrote:Yes Shorttriber ... there would be many things yet future that the historicist and futurist would agree upon.
However, until those things come to pass ... both systems could possibly be wrong about them.
I would recommend all Protestants read:
“Papal Rome And The European Union” by Bennett and de Semlyen
Babylon, the Prostitute on the Beast
17 One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits by many waters. 2 With her the kings of the earth committed adultery, and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries.”
3 Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns.
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