Mystery Babylon =Jerusalem??

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Mystery Babylon =Jerusalem??

Postby KimM777 on Sun Feb 29, 2004 12:15 pm

I have a question which was brought up on another MB:<br>
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Some believe that Jerusalem is/may be Mystery Babylon.<br>
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Re 18:21 - <br>
And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. <br>
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If Jerusalem is MB, that would mean that Jerusalem would never be inhabited again?<br>
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KimM777
 

Re: Mystery Babylon =Jerusalem??

Postby carpentersdaughter on Sun Feb 29, 2004 12:35 pm

It doesn't fit that Jerusalem be mystery Babylon. You are right when you say Jerusalem wouldn't exist anymore. So, whomever started that on that other board doesn't know what they are talking about.<br>
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correct

Postby Ragnarok on Sun Feb 29, 2004 3:42 pm

Mystery Babylon is destroyed forever yet later in Revelation and <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>before</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> New Jerusalem appears, Satan leads an assault on the "beloved City".<br>
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The only city refered to as "beloved" by God is Jerusalem...so it's still there. <p></p><i></i>
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Mystery Babylon

Postby orangemailman on Sun Feb 29, 2004 4:01 pm

I am the one who doesn't know what they are talking about. Here are some scriptures.<br>
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The antichrist's authority and kingdom is centered in Jerusalem.<br>
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Daniel 11:41,45;<br>
Isaiah 25:7, 26:13, 28:14-18<br>
Jeremiah 51:11<br>
Revelation 11:1-8<br>
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Jerusalem is a spiritual Sodom.<br>
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Isaiah 1:8-10, 3:8,9<br>
Ezekiel 16:2,3,45-56<br>
Revelation 11:2,8<br>
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Jerusalem is the center of idolatry<br>
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Isaiah 2, 10:11, 31:4-7<br>
Jeremiah 5:1,27<br>
Ezekiel 8<br>
Zephaniah 1:4-6<br>
Zechariah 13:1,2<br>
Psalm 97<br>
Revelation 18:2<br>
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Jerusalem is responsible for the blood of the prophets<br>
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Matthew 23:29-39<br>
Luke 13:31-35<br>
Lamentations 4:11-13<br>
Revelation 18:20,24<br>
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Reward Jerusalem double for all of her sins<br>
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Isaiah 40:2<br>
Jeremiah 16:18, 17:18<br>
Revelation 18:6<br>
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Jerusalem is a burdensome stone<br>
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Jeremiah 51:63,64<br>
Zechariah 12:3<br>
Revelation 18:21<br>
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The Babylon-Jerusalem connection<br>
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Jeremiah 50:28<br>
Zechariah 2:7<br>
Isaiah 46:13, 47:1 (the two verses are consecutive)<br>
Isaiah 46-48 these chapters seem to have a dual intertwining theme of both Jerusalem and Babylon<br>
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Remember that New Jerusalem will descend from heaven. Why wouldn't God just have the "old" Jerusalem repopulated? It is because He will make all things new. Mystery Babylon being completely destroyed does not mean that it cannot be Jerusalem, because New Jerusalem will be something brand new that the LORD brings into existence at that time.<br>
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Have fun and stay busy - Luke 19:13<br>
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-The Orange Mailman<br>
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P.S. There are other scriptures that I have been meditating on that correlate as well. The fleeing out of Babylon in the OT and NT seems to correlate with the timing of the admonition to flee from Jerusalem. <p></p><i></i>
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You missed my point...

Postby Ragnarok on Mon Mar 01, 2004 2:54 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Mystery Babylon being completely destroyed does not mean that it cannot be Jerusalem, because New Jerusalem will be something brand new that the LORD brings into existence at that time<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>
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MB is destroyed and Satan is imprisoned for the millenium. Then Satan must be released...He gathers his army and attacks the "beloved city", which is Jerusalem...It's still there.<br>
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<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>THEN</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> after his final defeat New Jerusalem comes down. <p></p><i></i>
Ragnarok
 

Ragnarok,

Postby KimM777 on Thu Mar 04, 2004 7:29 pm

Who do you think MB is?<br>
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YSIC,<br>
Kim <p></p><i></i>
KimM777
 

you missed MY point

Postby orangemailman on Mon Mar 08, 2004 1:09 pm

Ragnarok-<br>
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The beloved city could very easily be the New Jerusalem.<br>
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II Peter 3, my interpretation.<br>
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In the last days scoffers will come asking, "Where is the promise of His coming?" They will be ignorant of the days of Noah. The earth that existed then was slated for destruction with Noah inheriting a new earth after that destruction.<br>
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The earth and heavens that exist now are slated for destruction at Christ's return. The day of the LORD will come and melt the elements with fervent heat. Since this will happen at the day of the LORD, we look for the new heavens and new earth that will be established immediately after that.<br>
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There is language in Rev. 21-22 to suggest that the New Jerusalem and new heavens and new earth are established for the Millennial Kingdom, but we are clearly not in the eternal state yet.<br>
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21:24-27~The passage suggest that only those nations which consist of "saved" folks shall be able to walk in the light of that city and that nothing that defiles will be allowed into the city, implying the existence of unsaved on the earth at that time.<br>
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22:14-15~The passage plainly states that those who do His commandments will be able to enter into the city to access the tree of life but outside the city will be sinners who are not allowed in.<br>
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In 22:2 we have the leaves available for the healing of the nations. Ongoing healing? That's what I gather.<br>
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I believe in the creation of a new heaven and new earth for the eternal state, but that the new heaven and new earth described in II Peter 3 and Rev. 21:1 is the Millennial Kingdom. I also see the bride, New Jerusalem, descending before the Millennium.<br>
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The New Jerusalem IS the bride. We KNOW that the bride will descend Pre-Millennially.<br>
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The original discussion of Mystery Babylon being perhaps centered where we now see Jerusalem... only time will tell.<br>
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Have fun and stay busy - Luke 19:13<br>
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-The Orange Mailman <p></p><i></i>
orangemailman
 

Re: you missed MY point

Postby Faithful Witness for him on Wed Mar 10, 2004 7:52 am

Orangemailman,<br>
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You raise some good points to those who haven't read those passages before, but with enough study in this subject, you will also find that Jerusalem doiesn't fit the whole picture of MB, nor is New Jerusalem the Bride..<br>
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As you said in your posts: Have fun and stay busy <p>Jared Albrecht<br>
Water To Wine Ministries<br>
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New Jerusalem

Postby orangemailman on Wed Mar 10, 2004 11:48 am

Jared-<br>
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Revelation 21:9, 10<br>
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-The Orange Mailman <p></p><i></i>
orangemailman
 

Re: New Jerusalem

Postby Faithful Witness for him on Wed Mar 10, 2004 9:31 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>
9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.<br>
10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>
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The city is the domain of the Bride of Christ (Church) As citizens we are identified with the city (See Revelation 22:3,6,19) Remember John 3:29<br>
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Now as to Jerusalem being Mystery Babylon:<br>
Like I stated earlier (Another thread I believe), in order to fit this bill, it must meet ALL criteria. God's margin for error is ZERO. So let's see how this stacks up to God's word.<br>
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* MB is a prostitute. You can argue this one from scripture (Read Hosea)<br>
* MB has worldwide universal influence. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>NOPE</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>
* MB is seated on the beast <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>NOPE</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, but then again, we don't know who/what the beast is yet, so it's possible in the future<br>
* MB wears royal colors and wealth (Gold jewels scarlet and purple) <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>NOPE</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>
* MB has a golden cup, which looks good but is filled with abomination <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>NOPE</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>
* MB is linked with Babylon from Nimrod <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>NOPE</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>
* MB is the mother of prostitutes. The word mother signifies that she has offspring. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>NOPE</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>
* MB Persecutes true believers & revels in their blood <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>NOPE</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, but like I stated above, this can change in the future.<br>
* MB Surrounded by seven hills <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>NOPE</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>
* MB is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>NOPE</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> Actually, this contrasts scripture which states that Jireh-Shalom is a cup of trembling and burdensom stone to all the nations (Zecheriah 12)<br>
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How about this:<br>
What does MB say in Rev 18:7? <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"I am no widow"</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->. Contrast to Lamintations 1:1 See also Isaiah 47<br>
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Jerusalem is NOT mystery Babylon<br>
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<p>Jared Albrecht<br>
Water To Wine Ministries<br>
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