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The two witnesses,

Postby 1withJesus on Sun Jan 25, 2004 4:55 am

There has been alot of debate here lately about the timing of the rapture. I have been doing some thinking on a mid-trib scenario. I realized that if the mid-tribulation was to occur, us christians would have the privilege of hearing or seeing the testamonies of the two witnesses on the Temple Mount. This would be very exciting, considering they are the OT prophets Elijah and Enoch (or is it Moishe)? They may appear at the western wall. Here is a link to a live cam on the western wall which we may find useful in the future.<br>
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Too bad there isn't any sound though. Some people think these two will appear at mid-point of the last week of Daniel, and prophesy 1,260 days before being killed. I don't think this is true because scripture tells us of a 3 day (Christmas-like) celebration by the AC's followers before they are taken up to heaven. This would seem to surpass the day that Jesus returns to eliminate the enemy, 1,260 from the Abomination of Desolation. Any thoughts on this?<br>
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Re: The two witnesses,

Postby mrshalfcent on Sun Jan 25, 2004 5:06 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>This would seem to surpass the day that Jesus returns to eliminate the enemy, 1,260 from the Abomination of Desolation. Any thoughts on this?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>
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there may not be a discrepancy at all...check out Daniel 12:11&12<br>
'And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate is set up, thee shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.<br>
<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Blessed is he that waiteth and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.'</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>
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Re: The two witnesses,

Postby Bascababy on Sun Jan 25, 2004 5:28 am

Never cought that one Mrs. H....now I'll have to read that chapter today! <p></p><i></i>
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2 prophets ?

Postby cookiecrumbs on Wed Feb 04, 2004 7:11 pm

...there have been "NUMEROUS" debates and<br>
arguments about who the 2 witnesses will be,<br>
i've read many commentaries and some argue<br>
for elijah and enoch and others for elijah<br>
and moses...Personally, i am convinced that<br>
they will be the same 2 prophets that appeared<br>
with Jesus when he was tranfigurated on the<br>
mountain "Elijah & Moses"...Notice also what kind<br>
of powers that the Book of Revelation mentions<br>
that they shall have : power to bring down<br>
rain ( shut the heavens ) power to spew fire<br>
the same two powers that G-D gave to Elijah<br>
the prophet of "fire" and Moses the prophet<br>
of "Water" ( Red Sea etc ) <p></p><i></i>
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Did Moses Die?

Postby 1withJesus on Fri Feb 06, 2004 6:29 am

I have been busy with Laura's 40-day bible marathon recently which is why my participation on this board is low. I am fairly new to the faith and this is the first time reading the bible in it's entirety. I am currently on the book of Joshua, but while reading Deuteronomy, I learned that Moses died on the top of Mt. Pisgah and buried by the lord. During previous studies (although I can't remember which resource) I learned thast these two end-time witnesses would have to be two out of only three possible OT prophets: Moses, Elijah, and Enoch. This was determined because these three never died physically, but were caught up to heaven by the lord. But the NKJV says Moses died, but iw was never found where he was buried. Am i mixing something up here? Pleased help,<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :( --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":("><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br>
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Re: Did Moses Die?

Postby mrshalfcent on Fri Feb 06, 2004 7:00 am

Great news! I am so glad you are taking the challenge!<br>
Did you know there are about 400 people reading their bibles right now at any given time in this challenge? I wish more would. anyway....<br>
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imo I think Moses died and was buried...<br>
check out Jude 9 <br>
'But when the archangel Michael, contending witht he devil, was disputing about the body of Moses...'<br>
I hope that helps.<br>
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Laura

Postby 1withJesus on Fri Feb 06, 2004 7:47 am

Okay, I see now. Kinda vague though. Maybe it'll come to me more as I read onward. I may surpass the 40 days on this. I had trouble getting through all the laws and sacrifices. It seemed harsh to me, but I can also see the necessity.<br>
Thanks again,<br>
Jim. <p></p><i></i>
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witnesses

Postby Ives on Thu Feb 12, 2004 6:43 pm

I don't know why it has to be anyone from the old testament or otherwise. This just seems like a discussion that has no implications one way or another.<br>
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However, if it has to be someone then I would vote for Elijah and Enoch since neither one of them has experienced death. Poor Moses - why would you want him to die twice? <p></p><i></i>
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there's could be 4 possibilities

Postby IowaHawkeyes on Fri Feb 13, 2004 10:08 am

I was talking to a good friend of mine who is a pastor at an Evangelical Church. He has studied prophecy for 20 years. A little background on him..... he was an FBI agent for 25 years and while he was an agent, he took Seminary classes and got his degree that way. He's a good ole boy.<br>
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Now back to the topic. I was discussing about who I thought the 2 witnesses were. I thought it would be Enoch and Elijah, just from the fact they hadn't died a physical death. Mickey ( the pastor ) said he believes it will be Moses and Elijah. I can't remember the scriptural evidence he gave me that proves wrong the scripture that every man is appointed to die once. Anyways, he said if you go back to the Old Testament, and compare the powers that Moses and Elijah had with the coming 2 witnesses, it matches up. So his argument is that just because Moses died once, doesn't mean he can't be one of the 2 witnesses. Interesting? I thought so.<br>
Poor Moses. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br>
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Now if that is true, couldn't John the Baptist be considered one of the 2 witnesses? Think of his powers and preaching ability he had. I'm pretty sure Elijah is one of the 2 witnesses, the question is, who will be the 2nd? <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br>
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Iowa,

Postby 1withJesus on Fri Feb 13, 2004 10:46 am

Now that would be interesting if John the baptist was one of the witnesses. Just think what detail he would be able to preach about the remaining end-time prophecies which he has already seen. I have doubts about this though. I am also leaning towards moses and Elijah.<br>
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Re: Iowa,

Postby IowaHawkeyes on Fri Feb 13, 2004 12:15 pm

I agree with you Jim. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> I think it will be Moses and Elijah. It would be awesome if John the Baptist was one of them. We'll have to wait and see! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p>"Where there is one, there will be more."</p><i></i>
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Hawkeye will LOVE this...

Postby Ragnarok on Fri Feb 13, 2004 1:22 pm

Oooooh...It's that "radical", again...<br>
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IMHO, there are too many "complications" when we think of the two witnesses as two individuals. For instance ( got yer Bible ):<br>
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<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Rev 11:6 - " These have the power to shut up the sky, that it may not rain during the days of their prophecy. They have power over the waters, to turn them into blood, and to strike the earth with every plague, as often as they desire. "<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>
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The Scripture indicates that these Two Witnesses have power over the whole earth and their presence extends evidently to every continent and land. Now is such a thing possible for two single individuals? Not even the angels have such power. Only God - and He alone - is omnipresent, that is to say, capable of being everywhere at once. Even Christ, though Himself God, confined Himself to the limitations of humanity and restricted His presence during His earthly ministry to just one location at one given time, just as you or I are so restricted.<br>
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We also see:<br>
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<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Rev 11:7 - " When they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up out of the abyss will make war with them, and overcome them, and kill them. "<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>
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Two people yet it takes the Anti-Christ, who has decimated whole armies and has power over earth never seen before has to make WAR on two men? War would indicate he needs all his resources to take out two indviduals...That's gonna be bad for his PR campaign...<br>
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<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Rev 11:8-9 - " Their dead bodies will be in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sedom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified. From among the peoples, tribes, languages, and nations people will look at their dead bodies for three and a half days, and will not allow their dead bodies to be laid in a tomb. "<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>
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Remember, we're in the tribulation now...Death disease, famine poverty, etc... I've heard all the "scholars" say that everyone will see their bodies thanks to the wonder of CNN and satellite television. However, how many people will have television when a loaf of bread costs a days wages? And of those people, how many will be able to afford cable?<br>
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You say, " But the reference to the streets of the city where their Lord was crucified is Jerusalem. " Wrong, Jesus was NOT crucified IN Jerusalem but rather OUTSIDE the city walls at Golgotha.<br>
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<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Heb 13:12 - " Therefore Yeshua also, that he might sanctify the people through his own blood, suffered outside of the gate. "<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>
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So...Who or what could qualify as the two witnesses? Who could be seen dead in the streets around the world without television, who has the power to cause the Anti-Christ to have to wage a war against them? Who has the power to be anywhere on the globe at the same time?<br>
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The Church: <br>
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<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Act 1:8 - " But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> "<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>
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Israel:<br>
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<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Isa 43:10 - " Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. "<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>
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Further confirmation?<br>
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<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Rev 11:3-4 - " And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. "<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>
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The two witnesses are reffered to as an olive tree and a candlestick? So, it should be easy to discern who the witnesses are by figuring out who is reffered by those names in the Bible...<br>
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Well, the candlestick are references for the church confirmed by Revelation 1-3. Remember the seven churches?<br>
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<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Rev 1:12 - " And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks..."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>
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And the book of Romans uses the Olive tree to describe the nation of Israel:<br>
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<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Rom 11:17 - " And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree..."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>
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<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Rom 11:24 - " For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree? "<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>
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Ragnarok

Postby njfish17 on Fri Feb 13, 2004 2:13 pm

Hey,<br>
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You are a radical and one day it may cost you your life. Nothing to be ashamed of.<br>
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I understand how you are coming to your conclusion but I do see some problems (at least that I perceive).<br>
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1. The Jews flee to the wilderness where they are protected by God for 1260 days.<br>
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2. The tribulation is a time of persecution and death of Jews and Christians. So I see a problem with "They have power over the waters, to turn them into blood, and to strike the earth with every plague, as often as they desire. " <br>
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3. The two witnesses prophesy for 1260 days so if they don't begin until the 2nd half then what happened to the rapture? If they prophesy the first half...well that definitely wouldn't make sense.<br>
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I did find it interesting to read but I just see to many conflicts.<br>
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In Christ <p></p><i></i>
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the witnesses

Postby Ragnarok on Fri Feb 13, 2004 2:52 pm

#1 and #2:<br>
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The Jews flee as a group but what of the 144,000?<br>
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"And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the SEAL OF GOD in their foreheads." (Rev. 9:4)<br>
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They are given the power and protection of God.<br>
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Not being confrontational as I have read your posts and see we have a lot of common ground. I am wondering how you could fit two singular entities into the verses I mentioned? re: The AC having to wage a war on two people, two people being omnipresent when only God has that power, the entire world able to see their dead bodies...<br>
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As for #3...I have read your posts and see that maybe YOU know the answer to this question.<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br>
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The thing I can't understand is everyone makes the connection to Daniel's 7 days being seven years but why does noone make the connection to the 3 1/2 days the "witnesses" are dead as being 3 1/2 YEARS? ( Kinda puts a new light on it, no? )<br>
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maybe you'll learn something...

Postby Ragnarok on Fri Feb 13, 2004 2:58 pm

Really, Hawkeye...I see no reason for your overt hostility. You add nothing but insults to my attempts at discussion.<br>
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No...I don't smoke crack but I do offer scriptural backing...Be nice if you'd return the favor evry now and again.<br>
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No, I could live the rest of my life without hearing your degrading comments again.<br>
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So...I'd really appreciate it, unless you can add something constructive, if the doctor would take some of his own medicine:<br>
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<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>After reading through some threads on here, if someone was to come on here who wasn't a christian, would they really want to become one with all the bickering that goes on? I know I wouldn't. This is what turns people away. I think we are all guilty of this in some way. I think we should also quit questioning whether someone is a christian, if they come out and say they have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>
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If there are any mods reading this can we get this blatant harassment to stop, please?<br>
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Re: Ragnarok

Postby mrshalfcent on Fri Feb 13, 2004 3:06 pm

Iowahawkeyes...<br>
that was totally uncalled for. <br>
Rag used scriptures to support his position and whether you agree or not, name calling is not allowed. You got personal for no good reason.<br>
This board is to be a safe place to discuss just about anything as long as no one is denying the basic tenets of faith. <br>
You have been warned.<br>
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Thanks

Postby Ragnarok on Fri Feb 13, 2004 3:12 pm

Thank you...<br>
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I am NOT here to create division or arguements...I just think maybe we should set aside our "set in stone" beliefs that have been pounded in our heads by some of the "experts" and take a look at what the Bible REALLY says...<br>
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I have no problem with someone not agreeing with me, I'm not saying I'm right and your wrong, all I ask is...If you don't agree with my conclusions, offer me scripture backing up your beliefs and let's discuss, learn, and grow.<br>
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re: thanks

Postby rev2220 on Fri Feb 13, 2004 4:00 pm

Ragnarok, <br>
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Good to hear from you again brother ! I very much enjoy reading your posts. Your posts present a new point of view and they provoke deep thought as well. Prophecy is not a closed topic. As it says in Daniel 12:9, all is not to be revealed until the very end. Much is yet to be revealed to us by the Holy Spirit in these final days.<br>
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Rev <p></p><i></i>
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The Deleter

Postby Herb on Fri Feb 13, 2004 4:38 pm

I dood it<br>
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Am I missing something here?

Postby 1withJesus on Fri Feb 13, 2004 5:48 pm

Nowhere in this thread do I see Iowa addressing Ragnorak, unless these two are continuing their dispute from another thread. Last I knew Iowa and I were answering each other's post. Kinda scratchin' my head here. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START : --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/ohwell.gif ALT=":"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br>
Jim.<br>
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Re: re: thanks

Postby mrshalfcent on Fri Feb 13, 2004 5:52 pm

rev...Iowa's posts were deleted because he was not being nice......carry on!...<br>
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Hey Jim....

Postby IowaHawkeyes on Fri Feb 13, 2004 5:55 pm

They deleted my post because they said I was doing name calling, by calling him a radical or something. I don't apologize for it. I get along with everyone on here except for this agitator. He likes to cause trouble and get under people's skin by throwing his obsurd, theories concerning the bible.<br>
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I'm ignoring him from now on. So, I think we agreed that Moses and Elijah are the two witnesses. Just be prepared, Rag might respond to this saying the two witnesses are an apple and an orange, not Moses and Elijah. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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I see,

Postby 1withJesus on Fri Feb 13, 2004 6:21 pm

I must've popped in here after the deletion. Don't want in the middle of it however. I like to be objective and polite here. Anyway, whoever these two turn out to be, I would love to go to Israel to hear their testamonials in person. I would certainly bow and tip my hat to them. During my reading of the "Left Behind" books, the storyline indicates that all who listen to these two will be able to hear their words in each one's language. I see no support in scripture for this but that would be something. I'm sure if they are given powers over the weather and waters this would also be a possibility. It would even be sensible due to the fact they are addressing both Jews and gentiles. <br>
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Afterthought:

Postby 1withJesus on Fri Feb 13, 2004 6:24 pm

Maybe the words "He who has an ear, let him hear" indicates this possibility.<br>
Jim. <p></p><i></i>
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Ragnarok

Postby njfish17 on Fri Feb 13, 2004 6:35 pm

hey,<br>
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I will carry on this discussion with you later. I'm working on my Master's degree and I had alot of work tonight and I have class tomorrow. I am interested in your view point. Ive never heard that before. <br>
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And don't worry about it, you're not the only one. <p></p><i></i>
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njfish17

Postby Ragnarok on Fri Feb 13, 2004 7:29 pm

nj...check your "inbox" <p></p><i></i>
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two witnesses

Postby mrshalfcent on Sat Feb 14, 2004 7:42 am

I find it difficult to spiritualize these two. If we say they represent the church or israel etc...then we must spiritulize the rest. <br>
The neat thing about John's vision is the references he gives us to the Old Testament. So then imo, there is a reason he wants us to look back, to instruct us and it must be important or else why is it pointed out in detail just who these two are...so let's be practical and straightforward about it and see....<br>
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Rev.11...vs1-2 tells us that John is told to measure the temple of God but not the outer parts because they are given to the gentiles and the holy city all of this will be tread under foot for 42 months or 3.5 years.<br>
Now then, vs 3 the two witnesses show up during this time. Can we agree that they show up during the AC's last 3.5 year reign? <br>
I think the witnesses show up the moment the AC enters the holy place (john has just been told to measure the temple)and declares himself God which is interesting because like Pharoah who declared himself above God as well and look what happened to him. I think the witnesses will operate just as Moses and Aaron did with the plagues, etc..<br>
(also the false prophet is on the scene with his signs and wonders, even fire coming down from the sky etc.. and these two witnesses will show the true God against the false.)<br>
But the arguement in this whole thread pivots around verse 4. So let's see what it is telling us.<br>
<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>'These are the two olive trees and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.'</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->Zech.4 but look closely at vs 12 there is something interesting there...<br>
<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>'and I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?'</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->This is an amazing description of the anointing these two have. Vs.14 is duplicated in Rev.11:4 these two operate with great power given by God himself. Not a group of people but two particular individuals.<br>
These two preach the good news of the Messiah, Yeshua to Jerusalem, to the Jewish people. So just who are these guys?<br>
Malachi 4:5-6<br>
<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>'Behold I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord. and he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.'</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>
Now we know that John the Baptist came in the spirit of Elijah but this passage I think talks of one of the two witnesses. <br>
Was the time of Jesus first coming one of dread and referred to as the day of the Lord? I think we can all agree that when the bible talks of the day of the Lord it refers to his second coming and judgement. right?<br>
So then what does this passage from Malachi tell us?<br>
We must consider this question also ....what is the purpose of the two witnesses? <br>
To turn the hearts of the Jews back to thier true heritage in God. 'and he shall turn the hearts of the fathers to the children and the heart of the children to their fathers...'<br>
this speaks of spiritual restoration or renewal. First they came to the land in unbelief, but soon they will say' blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.' The two witnesses one I believe is Elijah, will bring both a message of grace and hope as well as judgment. God is so loving that he will give this stubborn people one last chance to see the connection and in the OT fashion. These two preach Yeshua. How cool is that?<br>
Now Genesis 5:24 and Hebrews 11:5 tells us that Enoch walked with God and was not. Hebrews says he was translated and did not see death. It would make sense seeing how scripture says it is appointed once for man to die, that Enoch is the other witness. <br>
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I pretty much agree

Postby IowaHawkeyes on Sat Feb 14, 2004 7:50 am

I agree with everything you said. It would seem the most logical that it is Enoch and Elijah, but don't throw out the possibilty of Moses. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: I pretty much agree

Postby mrshalfcent on Sat Feb 14, 2004 8:06 am

Moses died...Jude 9<br>
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