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Don't ya Wish

PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 11:30 am
by carpentersdaughter
<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rollin --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> With so many holding views as to the timing of the rapture, and other scriptures in Revelation that is hard to understand, it's hard to know if what one believes is correct. I have my opinions on the timing of the rapture, and have held on strong to them, but as I read others who have the pre-trib view, it just makes me wonder who is really correct. Don't ya just wish that in a moment, a twinkling of an eye, that the Holy Spirit would confirm the truth of this matter to all, just like pentecost? That way the Body of Christ could be in one accord, and praise Him, no matter what the timing is. <p></p><i></i>

Re: Don't ya Wish

PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 4:11 pm
by Bascababy
I agree with you. I have often prayed that He would just show me clearly which interpretation is correct. Unfortunately...I am still questioning. I hope for pre-trib, but I won't lose faith if it is pre-wrath. <p></p><i></i>

Re: Don't ya Wish

PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 4:38 pm
by carpentersdaughter
With all the studying I've been doing over that last few months regarding the timing of the rapture, I am of the persuation that if it happens before the tribulation, then praise God, no complaints here, but if what I believe to be true and that is a post-tribulation rapture, then I know that God will give me what ever strength to go through it. He will be faithfull and in this, I trust. <p></p><i></i>

hmmm

PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 5:10 pm
by bruce
<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START |I --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tired.gif ALT="|I"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> ,, i have faith that there will be a pre-trib rapture. why would god leave us here when his holy-spirit will be removed from earth during the 7yr tribulation. [ the holy-spirit will be removed so that the AC will have complete influence on everyones perception. thats really the only way he can make any-believe he is a god.<br>
but AC will make war w/ the jews becuase they will be the last connection to a one true god, he knows this, and is the catalyst of armogeddon <p></p><i></i>

Imminency violation,

PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 12:43 am
by 1withJesus
As I've heard before, a post-trib rapture would violate the lesson of imminency which says no man can know the day or the hour but he can know the season. We can know the exact day of the Lord's Second Coming by counting 1,260 from the day the AC desecrates the temple. As for a mid-trib rapture, imminency seems a little fuzzy.<br>
Jim. <p></p><i></i>

Re: Imminency violation,

PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 3:29 am
by mrshalfcent
I don't think imminency would be violated at all.<br>
Why are there all the warnings about not being caught up in the affairs of the world, staying awake and alert?<br>
Jesus compares this time to the time of Noah.<br>
think about it...the people were told what was to take place and yet they didn't listen...<br>
ever been in a bad train of storms? just when you think it will never stop and it seems like it is getting worse, the clouds suddenly break and the sun shines. That is imminency.You don't know the hour in which the storm will stop. <br>
Also another thought, when a flood starts with a rain, it is gradual...you sort of acclimate until it gets too late and suddenly your home is in danger of destruction.(how many stories have we heard that people will not evacuate because they think it not so bad? They have confidence in the structure they built) It is alot like today already, even for christians.<br>
how much to do we put up with and are busy with?(oh, it is not that bad. we will know when it is bad enough to do something) one of the things I notice around me and on the net is the desensitization of our society to a great degree. If you think about this, it makes sense, at least to me.<br>
But those who are awake will understand His coming will be expected. I think the warning is to keep us FROM not paying attention. I think like Noah we will see and understand yet not know the exact day or hour, but know it is imminent. <br>
I hope that makes sense.<br>
just some thoughts<br>
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RE: Gathering storm,

PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 4:25 am
by 1withJesus
Great analogy. I think what I meant to say here was that a post-trib view would violate Jesus' statement about knowing the day or hour. Again, one can precisely know the day of a post-trib rapture (in the event that the time of a pre-trib rapture has passed) by knowing Christ will return exactly 1,260 from the day AC is in the temple. I assume post trib-means the rapture occurs on the same day of His return. The contradiction seems clear though. Many prophecy scholars see this too.<br>
In any case, the storm is gaining strength and most seem unconcerned.<br>
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Re: RE: Gathering storm,

PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 4:43 am
by mrshalfcent
actually the last 3.5 years may not be 1290....look at Daniel 12 the last few verses....it says blessed is the one who endures or hangs in there until the 1335 day.<br>
How do we interpret that?<br>
just a thought<br>
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Re: Gathering Storm

PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 5:56 am
by onestarfisher
Hi, I had a couple of thoughts....<br>
on imminency: I always think of having a suitcase packed and waiting for someone to pick you up to go somewhere, and you don't know when they will arrive, or waiting for someone to stop by "sometime today" - you always think it could be any moment; or knowing company is driving in from out of state and not knowing what time they will get there...<br>
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"Again, one can precisely know the day of a post-trib rapture (in the event that the time of a pre-trib rapture has passed) by knowing Christ will return exactly 1,260 from the day AC is in the temple."<br>
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But, if Jesus gathers His elect before the wrath of God is poured out, we won't know when it is.... <p></p><i></i>

?

PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 8:11 am
by 1withJesus
Thanks Laura. I failed to see that verse. but how do you correlate Daniel 12:11 to Revelation 11? Dan. 12:11 says the daily sacrifice is taken away and the Abomination of Desolation is set up. Then it says there shall be 1,290 days. I assume this means 1,290 days until the Christ's return. If so, what does Dan. 12:12 mean when it says "Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the 1,335 days." To me this is a tricky part of the puzzle. Don't get me wrong, I believe every word in the bible, but I don't see where this fits. Can you make it clear for me? Does this indicate a pre-wrath rapture?<br>
Thanks,<br>
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Re: ?

PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 10:03 am
by mrshalfcent
<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Thanks Laura. I failed to see that verse. but how do you correlate Daniel 12:11 to Revelation 11? Dan. 12:11 says the daily sacrifice is taken away and the Abomination of Desolation is set up. Then it says there shall be 1,290 days. I assume this means 1,290 days until the Christ's return. If so, what does Dan. 12:12 mean when it says "Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the 1,335 days." To me this is a tricky part of the puzzle. Don't get me wrong, I believe every word in the bible, but I don't see where this fits. Can you make it clear for me? Does this indicate a pre-wrath rapture?<br>
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IMO, Jim, I think this refers to the wrath. <br>
If you notice when the two witnesses are resurrected, it appears that the full wrath of God is then poured out on the unbelievers....which would explain why Jesus said, unless the time was shortened, no flesh will be saved. <br>
there are 45 days from 1290 and 1335...is it possible that this 45 days are the final woes and the destruction of Babylon and the gathering of all nations to Armegeddon? It certainly would be an intense time....<br>
so there may be two possibilities...<br>
1. we go with the two witnesses while the world watches and then the full wrath of God comes for 45 days....<br>
2.we don't go with the two witnesses but we witness the full wrath without being affected by it for this time period...<br>
just thinking...<br>
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RE:

PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 11:20 am
by 1withJesus
Vey interesting. Scary too. Thanks a bunch Laura,<br>
Jim. <p></p><i></i>

timeline

PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 11:23 am
by onestarfisher
Wow, this is awesome! Makes a lot of sense!! <p></p><i></i>

timeline

PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2004 2:51 pm
by njfish17
hey,<br>
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I haven't done much study into the final aspect of the 70th week but I thought this was a perspective that many of you may not have heard that does have some merit. <br>
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The two witnesses are raised 3.5 days after the 70th week and the rest of the 30 days are the vials and armegeddon and the next 45 days are cleansing before the 1000 year reign.<br>
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I've noticed that many believe that the first appearing of Jesus at the second coming is at armegeddon. This is not true. His first appearing at the second coming is at the 6th seal of Revelation and is also spoken of in Matthew 24. His first appearing(thief in the night) is quite different than His appearing at armegeddon(kings and armies have gathered to make war against Him). <p></p><i></i>