What happens to the first half of the 70th week?

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What happens to the first half of the 70th week?

Postby Woodhenot on Tue Jan 20, 2004 11:07 am

Since the first half of 7 years is not a Tribulation period, I would think we would see the False Peace and the Rise of the Anti-Christ along with the deceptions of the world.<br>
Woody <p></p><i></i>
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first part

Postby njfish17 on Tue Jan 20, 2004 11:45 am

If the first part of the 7 years is a time of peace (which i believe it is) then this would more than likely contribute to many being lulled to sleep. Though the abomination of desolation would seem to wake many up the Bible seems to suggest otherwise. Due to being lulled to sleep the love of most will grow cold and many will fall away from the faith. The deception and persecution during the great tribulation will likely have a horrible impact on those who have fallen asleep and are not remaining faithful to the Word and Christ. <p></p><i></i>
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Day of the Lord

Postby Herb on Tue Jan 20, 2004 12:07 pm

Here's some thoughts.<br>
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Both Paul and Peter said the day of the lord would come as a thief. However, though they were talking about the same day that would come as a thief, they said different things would happen.<br>
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Paul said the day would come while they are saying peace and safety(1 Thes 5:1-3), and after the AC is revealed (2 Thes 2 :1-3).<br>
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But Peter said it would come when the elements melt with intense heat (2 Peter 3:10).<br>
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This leads me to believe the day of the Lord is a period of time. Paul gives us its beginning, and Peter its end.<br>
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The day of the Lord begins with the AC going into the temple, and ends at the end of Christ's thousand year reign.<br>
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And believe me, if this is true it will in fact come as a thief cause so few Chrisitans are expecting this.<br>
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Herb<br>
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day of the Lord

Postby njfish17 on Tue Jan 20, 2004 12:35 pm

I agree with you halfway Herb. I believe the Day of the Lord begins when Christ appears in the clouds...it begins with the seven trumpets...at the sixth seal they cry out for the rocks to fall on them for the day of His wrath has come. This occurs after tribulation of those days which begin at the abomination of desolation. But yes the Day of the Lord is a period of time. It encompasses the trumpets and bowls. <p></p><i></i>
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Something to chew on:

Postby 1withJesus on Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:13 am

This is kind of long but please bear with it. <br>
The way I understand the prophecy is that the decree given to Daniel was a period of 70 weeks of years (or 70 sevens totalling 490 years). The decree begins when when the Jews are freed from captivity in Babylon.<br>
Dan. 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined for your people and for your holy city To finish transgressions, To make an end of sins, To Make reconciliation for iniquity, To bring an everlasting righteousness, To seal up vision and prophecy, And to annoint the most holy.<br>
This obviously represents the time between the declaration of the decree and the return of Christ.<br>
Then in the very next verse it says:<br>
Know therefore and understand, That from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem Until Messiah the prince. There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks. (69 weeks or 483 years) The street shall be rebuilt again, and the wall. Even in troublesome times. Represents the time of the decree to the destruction of the Temple and city by the Romans in 70 A.D. Verse 26:says that after sixty-two weeks the Messiah shall be cut off (the crucifixion) but not for Himself. And the people of the prince who is to come (The Romans who will become the kingdom of the antichrist) Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.<br>
After 62 weeks (434 years) from the decree Jesus died <br>
and Rome was destroyed in 70 AD. Subtract the 434 years from the 483 years of the decree and we end up with 49 years. 49 years divided by 7 = 7 weeks of years, or the time from the 62 weeks to the 69 weeks. This leaves one future week remaining. Read on to the next verse:<br>
9:27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week (refers back to the antichrist);<br>
But in the middle of that week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate. <br>
This clearly refers to middle of this 7 year period in revelations in cojunction with the 1260 days leading to the Abomination of Desolation. The covenant with many for one week is this 7-year period. This is often confused with the desecration of the temple by Antiochus. The exception here is that Antiochus never made a 7 year covenant with many. This example is known as prophetic duality or typology where two separate events are similar in nature.<br>
I hope this clears up some confusion.<br>
Jim. <p></p><i></i>
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Afterthouoght:

Postby 1withJesus on Fri Jan 23, 2004 1:00 am

Speaking of prophetic duality, it seems to me that even the two names "Antiochus" and "Antichrist" seem similar in nature.<br>
My perpective on the terms "Tribulation" and "Great Tribulation" may also have some form of duality to it. Consider that the Judgements are to occur in a series time-flow, meaning the Seals are released in order, then the Trumpets, and finally the Vials. I've also contemplated a parallel chronology where the first set of judgements consisting of the first Seal, Trumpet, and Vial are released and then continues on to the Second of each set. My heart tells me it occurs in series. In this context, we see the release of the four horsemen in order shortly after the signing of the treaty. While Israel remains at peace the rest of the world is suffering horrendous war (likely nuclear), followed by it's after effects of famine, disease, and death shortly after the rise of the White horse, the antichrist. This would certainly be a "Tribulation" for Gentiles and Jews who reside in Gentile nations. Halfway through the 7 year period the AC does his thing in the temple which begins a "Great Tribulation" for the Jews and finally for all nations at Armegeddon. <br>
Definately something to chew on.<br>
Jim. <p></p><i></i>
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Question:

Postby 1withJesus on Fri Jan 23, 2004 1:53 am

I know there is no specific relation mentioned in the bible about a 7-year "Tribulation", but what I don't understand is why is a calculation of 7 years included into the final week of Daniel instead of simply being expressed mathematically as a 3 and one-half year mentioned in revelation? Could the red horse of war (2nd Seal) along with the Black and Pale horses occur before the AC rises to the scene as a peacemaker? If so there seems to be a paradox in the order of the Seals since the White horse is introduced first. Does 1/4 of humanity perish before the treaty is signed? This could also fit in with Gog and Magog in ezekiel 38 and 39. I just cannot imagine the United States willingly submitting it's sovereignty over to the E.U. and have the total approval of most Americans. Especially Americans who have any knowledge of end-time prophect Christian and secular. I cannot imagine Americans giving in without a fight being a primary ally of Israel. This is the part of prophecy I have trouble with.<br>
Jim. <p></p><i></i>
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