11 THE TABERNACLES OF his PALACE 12

[shorttribber]

Daniel chapter 11 is long, complicated and if taken literally, much can be commented on and much has been historically commented on.

One common thread that seems to have enjoined every commentary i've ever read on these parts of scripture is the following.

There is a Great Leap in Time that connects the last verse (45) of Daniel 11 with the first verse (1) of Daniel 12.

I do have quite a few commentaries and the ones i primarily have are more commonly Historicist kinds.
The modern ones i have all seem to agree on that idea though...the Time Leap is there.

BUT, i have not seen anywhere among them the ONE Thing or Things that Connect the Past Spirit of antichrist with the Future, satan possessed, antichrist man of sin.

What i will attempt to show IS THAT Connection.

We will discuss the AOD in certain ways that have been discussed on this forum, but only by bits and pieces on this or that thread, and because of that, many or most could be reading this for the first time.

Ok.....
Daniel 11
40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.
4 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.
45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain;
yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

That's the part i like

Anyway.......What ARE Those "Tabernacles" ?

They ARE, The Dome of the Rock, and the Al-Aqsa Mosque!

PLANTED THERE just about 1,335 Years ago!

Does that number Sound Familiar? Those who Understand will Understand then How this Time period of the Past will then Connect us to the Time of the coming Loser (antichrist, Son of God Denying Dote!)

Will the Coming DAYS be Understood?
Will the Readers Understand?

They are right there in Plain Sight!

I will explain in this thread, the spirit of antichrist in Antiochus and Herod, and HOW the Desolation of 70 AD
Fulfilled and laid the foundation for How These Tabernacles came to STAND WHERE they OUGHT NOT.

Oh, Oh ST, Jesus said , "where IT ought not", he did not say "where THEY ought not".

Correct, and ONLY ONE of them is "STANDING" where Abraham was going to offer up Issac, and where the Ark of the Covenant once sat, in the Holie of Holies!

But certainly it will take SOMETHING ELSE to occur There, something else that will OPEN the EYES of God's Elect!

So that it CAN BE SEEN, and not Hidden by a lack of Understanding

[WOODHENOT3]

Very Interesting!!
Pretty convincing, but we know that Daniels speaks of 1335 days,What gave you the idea of 1335 YEARS?
I'm enjoying this.... :)

[shorttribber]

Very Interesting!!
Pretty convincing, but we know that Daniels speaks of 1335 days,What gave you the idea of 1335 YEARS?
I'm enjoying this.... :)

Since I esteem honesty and truth above all things, I will admit that I believe with all my heart that God Himself did.

[WOODHENOT3]

Correct, and ONLY ONE of them is "STANDING" where Abraham was going to offer up Issac, and where the Ark of the Covenant once sat, in the Holie of Holies!

The Holie of Holies was on the Dome of the Rock? This Temple Mount was built 1335ish years ago right?

[shorttribber]

Correct, and ONLY ONE of them is "STANDING" where Abraham was going to offer up Issac, and where the Ark of the Covenant once sat, in the Holie of Holies!

The Holy of Holies was on the Dome of the Rock? This Temple Mount was built 1335ish years ago right?

You're close Woody, the Dome of the Rock was built Over the Stone Hewn without Hands that the Ark sat on in the Holy of Holies. It is That Rock that Abraham almost offered up Issac on!

That Rock, Hewn Without Hands WAS and IS the type and Shadow of Christ Himself! It's sitting over what represents Christ Our High priest and Savior Himself?

[Ready1]

History: Al-Aqsa Mosque

The mosque was first built in 705 AD. The first mosque was destroyed in an earthquake in 748 AD and had to be built again.

We do not know when it was built again, but it was probably in 771 AD, and this mosque was destroyed soon after they finished building it.

The third mosque was built around 780 AD.

In 1033 AD there was another earthquake, and the mosque had to be built again.[10]

Jerusalem was taken over by the Crusaders in 1099. Instead of taking down the mosque, the crusaders used the mosque as a palace.

In 1119 it was changed into the headquarters for the Templar Knights.[11]

You are going to have a tough time getting 1335 contiguous years out of this one.
2020-705=1315 but if you subtract the time on the ground due to earthquakes: 2020-705-23-9-9=1274

Dome of the Rock

The Dome of the Rock is an Islamic shrine located on the Temple Mount in the Old City of Jerusalem.

It was initially completed in 691–92 CE at the order of Umayyad Caliph Abd al-Malik during the Second Fitna on the site of the Second Jewish Temple, destroyed during the Roman Siege of Jerusalem in 70 CE.

The original dome collapsed in 1015 and was rebuilt in 1022–23. The Dome of the Rock is in its core one of the oldest extant works of Islamic architecture.

You get a little closer on this one but if you subtract the time that it is laying on the ground because of earthquakes it Is farther away. 2020-692-8=1320.

But no 1335 Unless you have another way to figure it.

[WOODHENOT3]

Very interesting history Ready1, thanks for posting!
I didnt know there was that many temples built there... but what about the Temple Mount..that was built in 700 AD?

[Ready1]

Very interesting history Ready1, thanks for posting!
I didnt know there was that many temples built there... but what about the Temple Mount..that was built in 700 AD?

Thank Wikipedia

The Dome of the Rock is situated in the center of the Temple Mount, the site of the Temple of Solomon and the Jewish Second Temple, which had been greatly expanded under Herod the Great in the 1st century BCE. Herod's Temple was destroyed in 70 CE by the Romans, and after the Bar Kokhba revolt in 135, a Roman temple to Jupiter Capitolinus was built at the site by Emperor Hadrian.

Jerusalem was ruled by the Christian Byzantine Empire throughout the 4th to 6th centuries. During this time, Christian pilgrimage to Jerusalem began to develop.

The Church of the Holy Sepulchre was built under Constantine in the 320s, but the Temple Mount was left undeveloped after a failed project of restoration of the Jewish Temple under Julian the Apostate.

[shorttribber]

History: Al-Aqsa Mosque

The mosque was first built in 705 AD. The first mosque was destroyed in an earthquake in 748 AD and had to be built again.

We do not know when it was built again, but it was probably in 771 AD, and this mosque was destroyed soon after they finished building it.

The third mosque was built around 780 AD.

In 1033 AD there was another earthquake, and the mosque had to be built again.[10]

Jerusalem was taken over by the Crusaders in 1099. Instead of taking down the mosque, the crusaders used the mosque as a palace.

In 1119 it was changed into the headquarters for the Templar Knights.[11]

You are going to have a tough time getting 1335 contiguous years out of this one.
2020-705=1315 but if you subtract the time on the ground due to earthquakes: 2020-705-23-9-9=1274

Dome of the Rock

The Dome of the Rock is an Islamic shrine located on the Temple Mount in the Old City of Jerusalem.

It was initially completed in 691–92 CE at the order of Umayyad Caliph Abd al-Malik during the Second Fitna on the site of the Second Jewish Temple, destroyed during the Roman Siege of Jerusalem in 70 CE.

The original dome collapsed in 1015 and was rebuilt in 1022–23. The Dome of the Rock is in its core one of the oldest extant works of Islamic architecture.

You get a little closer on this one but if you subtract the time that it is laying on the ground because of earthquakes it Is farther away. 2020-692-8=1320.

But no 1335 Unless you have another way to figure it.

Not exactly Ready. It was built between 685 and 691 and even the foundation was laid before that...i've done my reading on it.

2020-685= 1335

[shorttribber]

Does someone else care to do the Math? According to a calculator 2020-685 DOES Equal 1335

[WOODHENOT3]

It was built between 685 and 691

2020-2026..... :)

Where did you get the facts from ST?

[shorttribber]

It was built between 685 and 691

2020-2026..... :)

Where did you get the facts from ST?

What Woody.....2020-2026?

I never mentioned that at all.

I have said, according to a calculator that 2020-685=1335.......i've checked that figure quite a few times.

[WOODHENOT3]

It was built between 685 and 691

2020-2026..... :)

Where did you get the facts from ST?

What Woody.....2020-2026?

I never mentioned that at all.

I have said, according to a calculator that 2020-685=1335.......i've checked that figure quite a few times.

My mistake, I was calculating 1335+685=2020 and 1335+691=2026..... :)

Blessings.

[Ready1]

Not exactly Ready. It was built between 685 and 691 and even the foundation was laid before that...i've done my reading on it.

2020-685= 1335

I guess we won't have to wait very long to see if you are right!

(You DO have another way of figuring it.)

[WOODHENOT3]

Not exactly Ready. It was built between 685 and 691 and even the foundation was laid before that...i've done my reading on it.

2020-685= 1335

I guess we won't have to wait very long to see if you are right!

(You DO have another way of figuring it.)

True, so shall we throw stones at Shorttribber if he's wrong?, haha....only teasing bro!

When I was thinking of the 1335 years, the calculation was based on modern calendar, if it was based on a Jewish calendar, that would have passed already... right?

Blessings...

[shorttribber]

I don't know Woody, the exact start and finish of it has about an 8 year window. That's why I said in my first post, approximately .

[shorttribber]

To anyone who has waited for so long for me to comment on this thread, I must apologize.

Things have really taken my time away for months!
Lately I've been posting on several threads about the Abrahamic Covenant, the Only Everlasting Covenant Promised by God to man with an Oath.

I'm glad about the time delay now to post on this thread.

God had good reason to hold back my ability to post on this thread.

Now I am Behoved to fully explain the 1,260 (time,times&half time),1,290, and 1,335 days spoken at the end of Daniel 12

It is essential that I define, explain, and expound on them now.

On several other threads that I have interacted on, the time periods I've mentioned above have been a kind of focal
point in the discussion.

In this thread I now have some time again and I intend to put to rest, Two Giants with One Stone hewn without hands.

What I write here will answer the objections to what I've written in other threads regarding the above mentioned time periods.

I'm at home in bed with excruciating pain in my leg, and will soon be on medical leave from work.....please everyone pray for my healing ok?
It's nerve damage and feels like the bones being crushed and broken!
Thank the Lord for jumping bananas !
They can jump and Praise our Mighty, Faithful, and Wonderful beyond expression, God Almighty, while I can't jump too!

So here they go!

[burien1]

for you, Shorttribber !

[Exit40]

Prayers and Angels inbound !

God Bless You

David

[Mr Baldy]

Now I am Behoved to fully explain the 1,260 (time,times&half time),1,290, and 1,335 days spoken at the end of Daniel 12

WHEW! -

Can't wait

Should be a very interesting debate.

[Loop]

:praying: for you, Shorttribber !

[WOODHENOT3]

Praying for you Shorttribbbbber!!

Looking forward! I'll start sharpening my swords!

[shorttribber]

Thanx for the prayers everybody. I can report that i am having a little bit of relief so far

[shorttribber]

BUT, i have not seen anywhere among them (Bible Commentaries) the ONE Thing or Things that Connect the Past Spirit of antichrist with the Future, satan possessed, antichrist man of sin.

What i will attempt to show IS THAT Connection.

Regarding this part, i may need to be a bit brief so the focus can be more on the "Time Periods" listed in Daniel 12.

let me try it this way....

Antiochus and Herod was a Type/Shadow/Forerunner/Spirit of the Final Future antichrist. (i could list others more modern of course but will focus just on those two for now).

As far as the time leap that is clearly at the end of Daniel 11, and where TIME PICKS UP AGAIN in Daniel 12, we find the "TIME of Herod" dangleing out somewhere among No Mention in scripture.

It's the silent period between the testaments.....and....silent on Herod.

Nevertheless, Herod was real, and time he lived, Real.
I think of him as a kind of "missing link" in Bible prophecy.
Did you ever wonder Why there was that "silent period" between the Testimants?

It was a Time when the eyes of the People of "the Prince to come" had to become Darkened to the point of Not Recognizing their Prince who was to come.
The Pharasees and Saduceees HAD an Understanding of the Daniel 9 prophecy that SCARED THEM TO DEATH!. I mean that literaly too.

In one thread, i was answering Mark F, and said the following.....

Daniel 9 says such and such a time until Messiah the Prince, and after such time Messiah with be Cut off,
THEN the text says, And the People of the PRINCE that Shall Come shall destroy the city and the sancuary.

In the past i think i directed you to my Chiasm thread....if you do not recall it, i will help you find it...but the interpretation of the text IS NOT Dependant on chiastic structure, but it IS Informative and Supportive of what i will hereafter write.

Note above, the text says "The People of the prince that SHALL COME" are the ones who "Destroy or in other Hebrew meaning, "Corrupt" the city and the sanctuary.

This is one of the most important parts of the verse, and i will tell why.
The Sadducees, Pharisees and Scribes had an understanding of Daniel 9 that the "The People of the prince that shall Come" WERE Actually the Zealots!
They, the Scribes and Pharisees Thought that Messiah the Prince WHO "SHALL" COME WAS Referring to Christ!
And that Christ, WITH the Zeolts and Followers Christ would have WERE the Ones who were going to destroy the Temple!
This is one of the reasons WHY they asked him, Are You Going to Destroy the Temple? or "He said he was going to Destroy the Temple", when he was at his mock trial!

You see, they actually understood the entire passage to refer to their Coming Messiah! There could have been others too though that believed that it Could have been referring to the Romans as well, a coming Roman prince such as Titus!

This created great chaos and confusion as you can imagine, especially when probably as many as Four of the 12 that Christ called to him WERE Zealots more than likely!

Why would God Arrange the Wording as such to make it seem as though it Could be BOTH WAYS?
Because it WAS Both ways, that's why!

What i've tried so many times without much success is to point out the Dual prophecy in view in the text.

It's not that One is Right and the Other is wrong. They are Both right when the UNDERSTANDING is that ONE is the Primary Fulfilment, and the Other is Secondary.

THAT IS the Key!

When i go to work on my Tabernacles of his Palace thread, i will be explaining this much more.

Now suffice to say this much at this time in this thread, Messiah Was the Coming Prince to be cut off, and he was the prince of the People (The Jews/Zealots) that would come and He Confirmed the Covenant AND Decreed the Desolations.
AND HE Christ will OUTPOUR on the Desolate One/Ones antichrist and those following him at the End.

THAT'S the Primary Meaning of the Prophecy, but as i said, it did have a Secondary Meaning as well and WAS FULFILLED by Titus and is Clearly evidenced in Lukes Gospel.

I will add this last part.........
This WAS and IS ONE OF the ways God SEALED UP the Vision in Daniel till the time of the End.
The Other TWO WAYS will be explained in my Tabernacles Thread.

Now here i am to explain those two other ways God has sealed up the vision UNTIL the TIME of The END.


Back to Herod briefly though, he sat in darkness as "A King" but he didn't "SEE a great Light" even though he looked him right in the face!
The Jews must have thought that Those described as, sitting in darkness, must have been them, can you SEE now? They were Blind.
But there were Others Who God Spoke of, and Promised Abraham of who were sitting in darkness in the SAME HOUR, but THEY DID SEE a Great Light.

Many others can't SEE now, with eyes Blinded by things that are not True. Thinking themselves, Elect of God, they beleive that God would not allow any such Blindness to hinder their sight.
Romans 11
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Now is the Time to Be Sure that we can SEE.

I mentioned the Tabernacles in this thread at the very beginning, please re-read my first post as a means of catching up please.

There is an Abomination, SHADOW/TYPE/ ANTICHRIST SPIRIT BUILT of Desolation that has been "Standing where it "Should Not" for Just About 1,335 YEARS!

I wonder how many modern Christians can "SEE" it.

I know a few that have argued against what i'm saying here. Do they SEE it?
Or do they just say "I don't beleive it has anything to do with the Coming Abomination of Desolation". BECAUSE what i know is that an antiChrist is going to make a 7 year covenant and then build a temple and cause sacrifices to stop, and then there will be the Abomination of Desolation ST...don't you know that ST.

Well, the answer to that is, no, i don't know that Because it is Not True.

There are things that God Allows regarding bible prophecy, and one of them is Confusion.

I highlighted "Confusion" so those who are already screaming that God is not the Author of Confusion would SEE it better.

Iteresting how God Named the Tower of Babel (which Literaly MEANS Confusion") as He did, i suppose he Authorized that name.

God uses Confusion to Confound the enemy, and IF MANY being Fooled are Lead astray by various Means by the Father of Lies, the Confusion is passed along to those to whom beleive such lies.

I said that sentance to say this. Some bible prophecy can be self-fulfilling or Manipulated to APPEAR as fulfilled prohecy, and MANY there be that have been and ARE Manipulated by them.

The enemy is Wise as a Serpent, but Not Harmless as a dove.
He has been Allowed to do many things that APPEAR as bible prophecy, and even get fulfilled NEARLY Exactly to the letter!

Times back i started a thread called Layers and layers of Prophecy...Manipulated or Self-fulfilling prophecies was one of the Layers we see as we look at what has been actually and Truly fulfilled in the bible.

I hope that so far readers will understand that this is a very broad subject i've introduced and because of that, the possibility of this thread heading all directions willy nilly.
That was part of the reason i was holding back on doing it also.
I'm not sure how to place any controls on it to allow me to stay on track as i go.

Maybe i can ask that many will hold off on posting an argument on what i've already written until i feel i've finished my thoughts and put them in this thread in a couple of parts.

Maybe i can call this last post of mine, Part 1

then when a person responds they can choose which part they are addressing so i can answer back in a more focused manner.

I want to do it in parts also because it is recommended that the posts not be horribly long....i think i've been guilty of that sometimes

At any rate, i need to get away from my computer and elevate my leg for a while.....i may start Part 2 in the middle of the night if God wakes me up and says to get at it.

Blessings, and thanx again for the prayers everybody. group hug

[shorttribber]

Not exactly Ready. It was built between 685 and 691 and even the foundation was laid before that...i've done my reading on it.

2020-685= 1335

I guess we won't have to wait very long to see if you are right!

(You DO have another way of figuring it.)

Here's some more math for our Understanding...

This post begins Part 2

2024-689=1,335
and
2025-690=1,335

Understand?

[mark s]

Daniel 12

11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

What happened 45 years ago that would correspond to the 1290 days?

Much love!

[shorttribber]

Mark F wrote:
I'm not following your thinking that we are pictured walking between the halves.

The ST answered:
When you say, "we" I'm understanding that you mean Anyone how is living at this time?
Any body living from the time of Christ's Sacrifice on the cross until the AOD is in "The Midst" between the two parts.

Jews, Literal Jews are the Ones that have Bound themselves to "The Curses" or "Destructions" Indicated by the Rejection, Rebellion Against God's Word...Old Covenant And New.

We, Rebellious and Obedient both are in the Period of Time, Between the Two Parts. Captivity is still Captive, and They that are Free, are Set at Liberty In Christ.
We are not bound to the Law of Moses, as those who Have Bound Themselves To It by the Rejection of Christ, and breaking of The Law of Moses.

Christ ALONE (Just as God Alone passed between the parts) in Abraham's case...Is Our Mediator...Between the Two Parts, Now.
We are not Walking Between or "pictured walking" By ANY Work of OURS, But BY His Work........We are Just in Communion WITH Him as He Makes Intercession FOR Us Between the Two Parts.

THIS is an Example of Prophecy being fulfilled TWO Different Ways. The 1,260...1,290... and 1,335 Have been fulfilled for TWO Different groups of "Daniel's People". The Two groups Called "Daniel's People"("thy people", talking to Daniel) in Daniel 9:24.

Note also in vs. 24 the prophecy singles out the people and the Holy city more on this part a little later regarding the "Holy City".

What i've become to understand is the following. Beside the fact that prophecy is layered, or Clearly has a Near and Far aplication to it, it is Directed at Different people groups in Time. The prophecies are fulfilled Differently as or for an answer to Various actions or Choices of those people groups.

What i've just said is a bit tangled and confusing maybe, so let me give an example.

Let me use the example from above to illustrate.

When looking at the words, "and the people of the prince that shall come", there are two options.
1. The prince to Come Messiah
2. A diferent prince of some kind (Titus)

When Understanding the prophecy as entirely Messianic, option 1. is in view
When Understanding the prophecy from a Partially Messianic prophecy, option 2 is in view.

Remember from above that i said the TWO examples of Daniel's People were in view in this prophecy from the ENTIRE Chapater, NOT just the last few verses.

From the Beginning of the chapter, The KEEPER of The Covenant AND Mercy needs to be Understood as the Context we approach our Understanding from, and i mean all the way to the end of the chapter.

Now, WHO is the one KEEPING Covenant AND Mercy with ALL THE PEOPLE mentioned in this Chapter?

God/Christ, am i right?

Ok, with that said, Two Different Groups of People are in view as having the WORDS of Prophecy Fulfilled for them in TWO different ways.

Hang in there please and try to follow this. I know it may not be completely natural, but i think you will understand if you give it some real consideration.

Back to Christ being in view in the prophecy as Entirly Messianic. The outcome is 100% different for "Daniel's People" (The Israel of God/True Israel) as Paul uses the name in Romans 11, than it is for Those that are "so Called Israel"....but they were/are still Israelite in the flesh.

The way God HAS and IS fulfilling this Daniel 9:24-27 for Faithful True Israel is ONE KIND of Fulfillment.
But the way God Has and IS fulfilling this Daniel 9:24-27 for Rebellious, Unfaithful, and "So Called Israel" is the Secondary fulfillment.

There are other examples....that i will list later for those wanting me to, but for now i need to only mention ONE OTHER Example...because the TWO fulfillments of the Same prophecy given are for the very same reasons, and that is, the Two Different people groups.

And what prophecy is that?

Daniel 12 and the 1,260...1,290...and 1,335 days

more later....

[shorttribber]

Daniel 12

11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

What happened 45 years ago that would correspond to the 1290 days?

Much love!

Hi mark
Nothing that i'm aware of happened 45 years ago. The 1,290 day prophecy is not a Year for a day prophecy as the 1,335 has been, and is.

The 1,290 day prophecy will begin as 24 hour days, on the first day of the AOD.

Thank you for joining in.

blessings

[mark s]

Hi mark
Nothing that i'm aware of happened 45 years ago. The 1,290 day prophecy is not a Year for a day prophecy as the 1,335 has been, and is.

The 1,290 day prophecy will begin as 24 hour days, on the first day of the AOD.

Thank you for joining in.

blessings

11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

[shorttribber]

Hi mark
Nothing that i'm aware of happened 45 years ago. The 1,290 day prophecy is not a Year for a day prophecy as the 1,335 has been, and is.

The 1,290 day prophecy will begin as 24 hour days, on the first day of the AOD.

Thank you for joining in.

blessings

11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

Did you intend to add more to this post?
I'm not following what you meant if that's the entire post.

[mark s]

Hi mark
Nothing that i'm aware of happened 45 years ago. The 1,290 day prophecy is not a Year for a day prophecy as the 1,335 has been, and is.

The 1,290 day prophecy will begin as 24 hour days, on the first day of the AOD.

Thank you for joining in.

blessings

11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

Did you intend to add more to this post?
I'm not following what you meant if that's the entire post.

Just showing the context and the flow.

Much love!

[shorttribber]

The context and flow?

I still don't understand.

As it is in Daniel 9, I think the context must begin by the two chapters combined.
What we have is very unique two passages (chapters) that are connected to each other, but still disconnected by a Great Length of Time.

Look at how chapter 11 ends, and then chapter 12 starts immediately with, "At That Time".

To me that is completely fascinating!
And to me, that complicated and mysterious wording Sets The Context!


More on that when I can address it more at the computer...not so easy on the phone.

[mark s]

The context and flow?

I still don't understand.

11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

You've said the 1290 was days not years, and the 1335 is years, not days. Both say days. How is one days, and the other years?

Much love!

[shorttribber]

The context and flow?

I still don't understand.

11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

You've said the 1290 was days not years, and the 1335 is years, not days. Both say days. How is one days, and the other years?

Much love!

To seal up the Book until the Time of the End mark. (chap.12,vs.4).
Keep this in mind too, in verse 2, a resurrection that is separated by 1,000 years is A resurrection of WHO?
TWO People Groups, right?
Rightious and Unrightious,true?
...and Daniel has been told that ALL these wonders were going to Occur "At THAT TIME".

Oh The mysteries of God! Oh! His Glorious Word is being revealed in the Last Hour! Knowledge is being increased exponentially!

Every day His Word is more in focus!

more on the day for a year principle later....you know there are examples.

.....and there is a Very Good Reason Why one "Time" is year for a day for One people group, and the other "Time" is 24 hour days for Another people group.

[Mr Baldy]

Hi Shorty -

I've been tracking your thread. I respectfully have one request.

Can you please plainly show how you think Daniel 12:11-12 fits in to your End Time Theory?

Please identify how you believe time extends beyond the final 3.5 years which is given in Scripture. I have noticed where you believe portions of Daniel have dual meanings - I get that. But what I don't get is how you are justifying this extra time. Very honestly, it's just not adding up.

Thanks Bro!

[shorttribber]

Hi Shorty -

I've been tracking your thread. I respectfully have one request.

Can you please plainly show how you think Daniel 12:11-12 fits in to your End Time Theory?

Please identify how you believe time extends beyond the final 3.5 years which is given in Scripture. I have noticed where you believe portions of Daniel have dual meanings - I get that. But what I don't get is how you are justifying this extra time. Very honestly, it's just not adding up.

Thanks Bro!

Hi Mr. B.
Welcome to the Tabernacles thread. Very sorry it took so long. Thank you for the kind request.

Now, to answer your concerns i will list the texts where the Times are plainly recorded...and see what is Actually Plainly said in them.

Example #1......Dan 7:25 - NASB
He will speak out against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One, and he will intend to make alterations in times and in law; and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.
Example #2......Dan 12:7 KJV
And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
Example #3......Revelation 11:2-3 - NASB
2) Leave out the court which is outside the temple and do not measure it, for it has been given to the nations; and they will tread under foot the holy city for forty-two months. 3) And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for twelve hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.”
Example #4.....Revelation 12:12-17 - NASB (this one you listed Mr B. only says "a short time" rather than 3.5 years,but i included it because it is speaking of the 3.5 years in view)
12) For this reason, rejoice, O heavens and you who dwell in them. Woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, knowing that he has only a short time.”
Example # 5.....Rev 12
13) And when the dragon saw that he was thrown down to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male child. 14) But the two wings of the great eagle were given to the woman, so that she could fly into the wilderness to her place, where she *was nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent.
Example # 6....Rev 12
Then the woman fled into the wilderness where she *had a place prepared by God, so that there she would be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days.
Example # 7.....Revelation 13:5 - NASB
There was given to him a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies, and authority to act for forty-two months was given to him.

You listed these for me to read Mr. B., so you know what they say, but Please Carefully re-read them to see if Even One Of Them says something like the following.....

There shall beThus and Thus Number of Days Until the END?

Any of YOUR examples Plainly Say ANYTHING Even Close to that?
No, not even One of them does!

Now let's look at a couple of My Examples.....
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end

13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.


Now, I am fully aware that when Jesus spoke of the Great Tribulation he referes us to the book of Daniel. He obviously is refering to the Great Time of Trouble in Daniel 12.
So, what does Jesus Actually say about "Those Days".

First, he only refers us to Daniel the prophet's words.
Second, he Never says exactly HOW LONG or HOW MANY Days the Great Tribulation such has never been before, Lasts.

Since Jesus Never gives a Time Length, we are Clearly instructed to Watch For the Abomination of Desolation as a TIME MARKER for the Beginning of "Those Days" of Great Tribulation.

Now, at this juncture i think you would agree with Every Word i have said, Right?

You might say, "well, i mostly agree except i beleive that such and such days have Already been fulfilled that are at the end of Daniel 12".

Ok, i know you beleive that, and so does Keith i think, but let me digress breifly regarding that opinion and ask the following question.

When, pray tell did Daniel Rise from the Dead in the Resurection and Receive his Eternal Reward at the END of the 1,335 DAYS?

As far as i am aware, Daniel is Very Dead Still. Is that not Correct?

Ok, time to move on and you can think about that later.

Now i will re-post a short exchange we had from your other thread.....
____________________________________________________________________________________________________
shorttribber wrote:
Jesus called the Great Trib..." Those Days" when referring to that {Great Tribulation} Whole Period Of Time.

Mr B. said
Here is what Jesus said Shorty -
Matthew 24:21 - NASB
For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will.
Jesus never identifies the amount of time the Great Tribulation lasts - so lets be clear about that. He simply says "there will be a great tribulation" - and He mentions this after He mentions the AOD in Matthew 24:15.
________________________________________________________________________________________________________

On these points, we agree, as i have also said above in my comments.

But, i do want to emphasize TWO Very Important Words that he Does Say regarding "Those Days".
Math 24
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:).........
..........19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!......
..........21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Mark 13
14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:.....
.....17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!.........
19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
...............24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.



Now, Mr. B., are we not in agreement that Jesus VERY CLEARLY indentifies The Great Tribulation by calling them Only, "THOSE DAYS"?

The Only place in scripture to find the TOTAL Time Length of the Great Tribulation is in the book of Daniel!
I have shown from above that ALL the references in Revelation DO NOT Mention a time DURATION UNTIL The END, Or End of Days!

They ONLY Clearly Indicate the TIME the Saints Endure Persecution by the LOSER, again, they Do Not mention the END of "THOSE DAYS" That Daniel spoke of!

Where then, According to Jesus' OWN Words, do we find the TOTAL DURATION of "Those Days"?
From Daniel 12 Mr. B., and there are TWO Places that Give us a Very Clearly and Plainly Stated TIME or TIMES Until THE END of DAYS!

And those two Passages ARE........

Daniel
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

[Jay Ross]

Can I present a very different POV to what is being expressed above on three passages of Scripture.

Let us consider firstly Daniel 7:25 time, times and a half of time.

Here is the context of the passage: -

Daniel 7:23-27: - 23 "Thus he said:

'The fourth beast shall be
A fourth kingdom on earth,
Which shall be different from all other kingdoms,
And shall devour the whole earth,
Trample it and break it in pieces.
24 The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings.
25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time.

26 'But the court shall be seated,
And they shall take away his dominion,
To consume and destroy it forever.
27 Then the kingdom and dominion,
And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven,
Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High.
His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
And all dominions shall serve and obey Him.'

In the Daniel 7:1-12 passage, were are told about the manifested earthly kingdoms of the first three beasts. With the fourth beast we are not told that it manifested a fourth earthly kingdom but rather it held sway across the earth and that in collusion with the little horn beast, it spoke out pompous words against God, before all five beasts of Daniel 7:1-12 were judged and imprisoned in the bottomless pit.

In Daniel 7:23, we are introduced to a four facetted Beast which has all of the characteristics of the first four beasts of Daniel 7:1-12 rising up out of the Abyss, after they had been locked up for 1,000 years in the Bottomless Pit. This is confirmed in Revelation 13:1-10 where the visible characteristic of the first 4 beasts are attributed to the four facetted beast of Revelation 13:1-10. The fifth beast, the little horn/false prophet rises up out of the bottomless pit a little later in the end times, where he sets about changing the times and the law and Daniel tells us in Daniel 7:24b-25 the acts of the little horn which is also described in Revelation 13:11-18.

In Daniel 7:25 as well as in the Book of Revelations, the saints are given into the False Prophet's, i.e. the little horn's, hands for a period of three and a half years during the latter portion of the little while period that occurs after the Bottomless pit is unlocked and Satan, the five beasts and the scorpions are able to rise up out of the Bottomless pit.

Now when we get to the time, times and half a time of Daniel 12:7 we need to understand the question(s) that is(/are) being answered. Let us look at the context give in Daniel 12:4-13: -

Daniel 12:4-13: - 4 "But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase."

5 Then I, Daniel, looked; and there stood two others, one on this riverbank and the other on that riverbank. 6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, "How long shall the fulfillment of these wonders be?"

7 Then I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand to heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever, that it shall be for a time, times, and half a time; and when the power of the holy people has been completely shattered, all these things shall be finished.

8 Although I heard, I did not understand. Then I said, "My lord, what shall be the end of these things?"

9 And he said, "Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand.

11 "And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.

13 "But you, go your way till the end; for you shall rest, and will arise to your inheritance at the end of the days."

Now what we should understand is that the Hebrew words translated as "time" and "times" in Dan 7:25 and Dan 12:7 are very different words where the associated Hebrew words are H:5708, which is the equivalent Hebrew word for the Aramaic found in the source text for Daniel 7, and H:4150 in Daniel 12.

In Daniel 12:7 the question being answered is, "How long shall the fulfillment of these wonders be?" and the time period given in the answer here, is that the end of all these things spoken about will be in three and a half ages.

Daniel is also told that he will rest until all of the above wonders have occurred and that then, after the completion of all of these wonders, that he will arise to his inheritance of the whole earth, at the end of these day, i.e. after the completion of the three and a half ages in time.

Daniel lived around the time of three and a half ages from the creation of Adam, and he was told that there would be another three and a half ages until the end of all of these things.

In my opinion, from the time that the Bottomless pit is unlocked, until the GWT judgement, there will be a period of time that will be approaching around 24 years, give or take a little year or so.

In Daniel 12:11 we are told of a time period of 43 months, based on a 30 day month, and that blessed are those that are still alive after 44.5 months have passed.

I thought that it was important to clear up our understanding of the two time periods found in Daniel 7:25 and 12:7, and suggest a the possible period of time that is associated with the little while period as mentioned in Revelation 20:3. which I have suggested would be for a period of around 24 years.

Shalom

[shorttribber]

Hi Jay,
I suppose that the following quote is very appropriate when I consider your point of view.

Not exactly Ready. It was built between 685 and 691 and even the foundation was laid before that...i've done my reading on it.

2020-685= 1335

I guess we won't have to wait very long to see if you are right!

(You DO have another way of figuring it.)

All this I'm writing will be either right or wrong within probably only a year's time I suppose.

We will all join Daniel in our wait if you are correct

Thanx for your perspective on it too, blessings to ya

[Mr Baldy]

Hi Shorty -

I've read your thread - and thank you for the Scriptures you have provided. I want to go over a few points you made about Daniel 12 - as I wholeheartedly disagree with the way you are interpreting Daniel 12:11-13.

As a matter of fact let me post the Scripture now:

Daniel 12:11-13 - NASB

11) From the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12) How blessed is he who keeps waiting and attains to the 1,335 days!

13) But as for you, go your way to the end; then you will enter into rest and rise again for your allotted portion at the end of the age.”

I want to begin by saying I separated verse 13 - and placed it below verses 11 & 12 to illustrate that when this Prophecy was given to Daniel no way it implies that Daniel will "rise again" after the 1,335 days - as some seem to think. NO, what it clearly states is that he will rise again "at the end of the age." It does not say the End of The Age is at the 1,335 days as some to erroneously belief as well. To believe the words mentioned to him refers to a time immediately after the 1,335 days is a gross misinterpretation of Scripture.

Daniel 12:11-12 is very clearly identifying what happened in Daniel 11:31:

Daniel 11:29-34 - NASB

29) “At the appointed time he will return and come into the South, but this last time it will not turn out the way it did before. 30) For ships of Kittim will come against him; therefore he will be disheartened and will return and become enraged at the holy covenant and take action; so he will come back and show regard for those who forsake the holy covenant. 31) Forces from him will arise, desecrate the sanctuary fortress, and do away with the regular sacrifice. And they will set up the abomination of desolation. 32) By smooth words he will turn to godlessness those who act wickedly toward the covenant, but the people who know their God will display strength and take action. 33) Those who have insight among the people will give understanding to the many; yet they will fall by sword and by flame, by captivity and by plunder for many days. 34) Now when they fall they will be granted a little help, and many will join with them in hypocrisy.

The Book of Daniel is a very difficult Prophecy Book to understand. It has multiple prophecies some of which have dual fulfilments. In mentioning this - I feel we have to be very, very careful not to get the prophecies that have already been fulfilled - and actually foreshadow the ones which have not, by mistaking them and adding them to an End Time Paradigm that just doesn't add up. This is what the days in Daniel 12:11-12 do - in that they exceed the very consistent number of days provided at 1,260. Daniel 12:11-12 has been fulfilled in my very humble opinion, and should not be looked at as it relates to the End Time.

Now, I want to touch base on some of the things you mentioned:

Now, Mr. B., are we not in agreement that Jesus VERY CLEARLY indentifies The Great Tribulation by calling them Only, "THOSE DAYS"?

We somewhat agree - you are only "partially" correct as you elaborate on this in your next comment.

The Only place in scripture to find the TOTAL Time Length of the Great Tribulation is in the book of Daniel!

Shorty - we have a fundamental difference in interpreting Daniel 12. You repeatedly want to mention Daniel 12:11-12 as the time given for the Great Tribulation - when Scripture very clearly provides no clear indication of how long it lasts.

Additionally, In Matthew 24 Jesus sets the stage for the final 3.5 years - beginning what appears to be at the AOD. The time the Antichrist is given to persecute the Body of Christ; the Two Witnesses prophesying; Woman/Body "remnant" nourished in wilderness etc...…..are all clearly identified as 1,260 days - or 3.5 years in other passages of Scripture. Jesus never specifically identifies how long the Great Tribulation duration is. He simply says this:

Matthew 24:15-22 - NASB

15) “Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), 16) then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains. 17) Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get the things out that are in his house. 18) Whoever is in the field must not turn back to get his cloak. 19) But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20) But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath. 21) For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. 22) Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.

If you'll notice - AFTER Jesus mentions the AOD occurring - and the fleeing of those in Judea to the mountains A Great Tribulation is mentioned. A specific amount of time is NEVER given by Jesus. Furthermore, to incorporate Daniel 12:11-12 into this equation as it relates to a specific time is in error. Additionally, to use your analogy on "those days" being the Great Tribulation - Scripture goes on to say "those days" will be cut short. So, my question to you is how can the 1,260 days given repeatedly in Scripture be both "cut short" and total 1,290 days & 1,335 days as mentioned in Daniel 12:11-12 respectively. You see Shorty - it's JUST NOT ADDING UP.

Where then, According to Jesus' OWN Words, do we find the TOTAL DURATION of "Those Days"?From Daniel 12 Mr. B., and there are TWO Places that Give us a Very Clearly and Plainly Stated TIME or TIMES Until THE END of DAYS! And those two Passages ARE........Daniel 11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

Shorty - again, we have a very fundamental difference in interpreting Daniel 12:11-12. It's JUST NOT ADDING UP. You say "according to Jesus' own words" we find this in Daniel 12. No Shorty - what we find is you applying your very own interpretation to what you 'believe" Jesus is referring to as it relates to the number of Days - when He in fact NEVER identifies any duration as I have provided Scripture to prove. Furthermore, you have provided nothing to support your theory other than your opinion. Scripture can't very well identify 1,260 days over, and over, and over again - then take it back and say...…."oh by the way, the days will be cut short - so I didn't mean to say that." Nor can it say: "Well, it's not really 1,260 days - it's actually 1,290 days - and you're blessed if you make it to 1,335 days."

Not buying it Shorty.

God Bless ya Brother!

[shorttribber]

Then we must agree to disagree Mr. B.
And ,as I said to Jay, won't be long before we know the facts.

[Jay Ross]

Hi Jay,
<snip>

All this I'm writing will be either right or wrong within probably only a year's time I suppose.

We will all join Daniel in our wait if you are correct

Thanx for your perspective on it too, blessings to ya

Well, I know that we will both be still posting on FP in a years time. I do not see you skipping town anyway so until same time next year, we should have some answers, unless you are going to reset the cloak for a different end time stamp.

Shalom

[shorttribber]

Hi Jay,
<snip>

All this I'm writing will be either right or wrong within probably only a year's time I suppose.

We will all join Daniel in our wait if you are correct

Thanx for your perspective on it too, blessings to ya

Well, I know that we will both be still posting on FP in a years time. I do not see you skipping town anyway so until same time next year, we should have some answers, unless you are going to reset the cloak for a different end time stamp.

Shalom

So then just out of curiosity, do you think the Dome of the Rock has no prophetic significants ?

[mark s]

The context and flow?

I still don't understand.

11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

You've said the 1290 was days not years, and the 1335 is years, not days. Both say days. How is one days, and the other years?

Much love!

To seal up the Book until the Time of the End mark. (chap.12,vs.4).

Keep this in mind too, in verse 2, a resurrection that is separated by 1,000 years is A resurrection of WHO?
TWO People Groups, right?

Rightious and Unrightious,true?
...and Daniel has been told that ALL these wonders were going to Occur "At THAT TIME".

Oh The mysteries of God! Oh! His Glorious Word is being revealed in the Last Hour! Knowledge is being increased exponentially!

Every day His Word is more in focus!

more on the day for a year principle later....you know there are examples.

.....and there is a Very Good Reason Why one "Time" is year for a day for One people group, and the other "Time" is 24 hour days for Another people group.

I'm sorry, I'm not seeing an answer here, just that one should be days and one should be years, because they apply to different people. But how is that?

This is getting convoluted and incomprehensible to me.

I suggest just going with what it says, 1290 day, and blessed are those who reach the 1335 days. Seems perfectly clear!

Much love!

[shorttribber]

Hang in there mark, I'm just getting started

Earlier in this thread, I said the following...and I intend on doing so as I go along ok?

"It is essential that I define, explain, and expound on them now."

[Jay Ross]

Hi Jay,
<snip>

All this I'm writing will be either right or wrong within probably only a year's time I suppose.

We will all join Daniel in our wait if you are correct

Thanx for your perspective on it too, blessings to ya

Well, I know that we will both be still posting on FP in a years time. I do not see you skipping town anyway so until same time next year, we should have some answers, unless you are going to reset the cloak for a different end time stamp.

Shalom

So then just out of curiosity, do you think the Dome of the Rock has no prophetic significants ?

ST, the Dome of the Rock, and its Prophetic significance is another topic. Now, the only thing that I can think of is that the Dome of the Rock is part of the trampling of the Sanctuary of God in Jerusalem. In my recent reading of the OT prophetic books, I cannot recall any passage of scripture where the lightbulb came on and I thought, Ah ah!, that is directly talking about the Dome of the Rock. But there again we have all read and reread the scriptures and each time we gleam a little more understanding, but I am also aware that much of the prophetic understanding of the Book of Daniel has been sealed up until the time of the end.

Now, if we have understanding, we will have seen the preceding sign for the battle at Armageddon where the kings of the earth are judged and then imprisoned in a pit along with the heavenly hosts for many days, namely 1,000 years.

Can I reciprocate with a question. What signs have you seen that are to happen before the battle of Armageddon, and can you describe them?

Shalom

[shorttribber]

We'll Jay, there are many that I think occur before Armegedon, but the last obvious one is the wedding or gathering to Christ / rapture.(see Rev 19)

[Ready1]

I'm sorry but I am not smart enough to follow all the twists and turns in this thread.

[shorttribber]

I'm sorry but I am not smart enough to follow all the twists and turns in this thread.

It's not about smarts. It's about Seeing things from a different perspective , and letting go of many preconceived ideas.

[Jay Ross]

We'll Jay, there are many that I think occur before Armegedon, but the last obvious one is the wedding or gathering to Christ / rapture.(see Rev 19)

ST, the question that I asked was, Have there been seen any signs that indicate that the battle of Armageddon is imminent?

The wedding feast can only happen after all of Israel is saved, and all of Israel cannot be saved, until the time of the Gentiles trampling the Sanctuary and the Earthly Hosts has run its full course, because after the full course of the Gentiles Trampling the Sanctuary and the Earthly Hosts, they are to be judged. It is after this time that the Everlasting Kingdom of God is established and its foundational stone/rock has come down out of heaven. It is after this time that the wedding feast occurs and the invited guests enter the banqueting hall before the doors are closed.

My understanding of the rapture is that it occurs when Christ comes as He went at the end of the Millennium Age. If Daniel is not raised until the end of the Millennium Age to receive his inheritance, then why are we "Christians" during this present era, more special than Daniel?

In Luke 14:31-32, we are given a clue as to when Israel will repent of their sins, in line with Christs terms of peace with them when He is seen judging the Kings of the Earth at Armageddon as well as being told in Luke 19:14 who stated they did not want Satan to reign over them any more while he was going off to the Abyss/Bottomless Pit to be imprisoned for 1,000 years. In Isaiah 24:21-22 we are told that the Heavenly Host and the Kings of the earth will be judged at the same time.

My answer to my question above, is that Revelation 16:12-16 tells us the signs that we should expect. Our issues is whether or not we can connect the dots together in the world events that match the events described in the prophetic words.

Shalom

[WOODHENOT3]

Interesting post!

Mr. Baldy,
Can you prove 1335 days has been fulfilled?
There are hardly any details of the 1335 days unless I'm missing something...

I can understand that Daniel's one day is equal to a year and 1335 days could equal to 1335 years...I find it interesting....