3.5 years in Scripture All the Same?

[Mark F]

There are multiple places and references to 3.5 years in Scripture, do they all refer to the same 3.5 years and they all occur concurrently?

I have read the statement that the Bible only has one 3.5 year period, lets lay them out.

Rev 11:2 "But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months."

Then again in verse 3, "And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."

Rev 13 the beast out of the sea which I believe to be a kingdom, not a man (fwiw), verse 5 "And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months." It should be noted that the forty and two months in this verse say he is given authority over the Saints to overcome them, that is to kill them...I expect this is the Great Trib period of time.

If we back up a chapter to Rev 12:6 we have the woman who gives birth and the child is caught up to God, the woman flees to the wilderness for 1,260 days: "And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days."

Also in chapter 12 we read of the vision of the woman giving birth to the male child, verse 12:14 "And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent."

Then Daniel 7:25 we read "And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time."

Daniel 12:7 "And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished. 

I expect the two times given in Rev 12 about the woman could be different than the rest, but I wonder if there are more? The two witnesses if in the post AOD 3.5 years would be killed within days of the 1,290 days spoken of in Daniel 12:11. Also the raising of the witnesses there is declared the completion of the second woe (Rev 11:14) The seventh trumpet blows and the outpouring of the bowl judgments begin the third woe, so does the third woe occur in just a matter of days as Daniel 12 mentions that from the AOD to Christ's return or total completion is 1,335 days.

My thinking comes from this. The beast in Rev 13 is given authority over the saints to overcome them (to kill them) for 42 months, wouldn't that include the witnesses? So they witness the first 3.5 years of the 70th week and when the beast is given authority over the Saints on Rev 13:5 he kills the witnesses and begins his reign of terror....finishing the 70th week with 3.5 years of great tribulation...

[shorttribber]

Hi Mark,

Can i first ask why you have this in your signature....
"Find a seven year covenant Jesus makes with anybody plainly stated in Scripture."

Is it not because i have this in mine?
Find seven years of tribulation Plainly Stated in the Bible?

If so, please note that i have never Once Mentioned a Seven Year Covenant Jesus Makes with anybody.


Did you know that?

What i Have said is the following...
The Confirmation is 7 years....the Covenant IS Everlasting.



I will happily address all your questions in this thread, but i hope you will please edit what you have written, because it is not a true reflection of anything i have ever stated

[Mark F]

Sorry you are offended. Is it not true? It's been there for years.

[shorttribber]

I guess it's the first time I noticed it

It IS true that modern translations have wording that DOES say that if a reader is deciding if Dan9:27 refers to Christ or Antichrist though.

It's not that I'm offended personally. It's only that I prefer the Truth over poor translations.

[shorttribber]

Hi Mark,
I thought earlier today that maybe you should put your signature it back the way you had it because then it may highlight how a modern translation can utterly change the meaning of a text of such extreme importance.

Either way, you choose, i just didn't want people thinking that is what I personally teach or espouse.

Thank you also for your consideration that i could have been offended, i wasn't at all, only wanted things clearly understood.

So, without any further words regarding that, i will answer some questions.

Since the 3.5 year periods are mentioned in so many different ways, i would be inclined to think of several reasons they are recorded as such.

First, i think the description variety was intended to show that they are INDEED Actual Day fulfillments...at the very Least.

Second, that does not mean God however is limited or has been limited that the 1,260 days, for example, MUST ONLY be fulfilled as actual days.

He could fulfill on one level or on one layer, a year for a day prophecy, and Also an actual Day fulfillment, regarding the Same Number.

I've communicated with a Hebrew Scholar in the past that helped me to learn that Hebrew writing is intended to be a mixture of Parable types and shadows mixed together from end to end and top to bottom with a kind of Spiritual Fabric, that's how he defined it.

The reason i'm saying this is because certain 3.5 year periods act as types and shadows of other times. It's like a prophetic Rythum of Times in the realm of an Eternal God living outside of time parameters as we do.

So He can use repetition as He did with John coming in the Spirit of Elijah in a sense....and will come as Jesus said.

Third, i do think though that 3.5 actual years of tribulation remain because we see the Pattern so many times and in so many forms.

Fourth, when it comes to a Period of Seven years, there is no such pattern to be found, just a single interpretation of such in ONLY ONE verse, understood by the masses ThAT WAY. (Daniel 9:27)

So, the periods you've listed, Daniel 7...For the Great Trib Time period.
Daniel 11 Antiochus.
Daniel 12 Future Great trib
Rev 11 Great trib....Not any time Before the Great trib
Rev 13 Great trib...defines the patience of the saints during that period in rejecting the mark of the beast.
Rev 12 First ref is when the Jewish Christians fled Jerusalem by a word of prophecy mentioned in Eusebius during the first Jewish war 66-70 AD
Rev 12 Second ref is when the 144,000 flee during the Great trib (this is why the woman fleeing is mentioned on two occasions as you've already said.

As far as my memory serves, that's all of them

Blessings

[Mr Baldy]

There are multiple places and references to 3.5 years in Scripture, do they all refer to the same 3.5 years and they all occur concurrently?

Hi Mark F -

Wow - this is one of my most favorite parts of Scripture to discuss. Can't believe I missed it.

To answer your question I wholeheartedly believe the mentioned 3.5 year periods of time all occur concurrently. This is a topic that no one wants to discuss because of all the misinformation that has been circulated concerning the Rapture of the Church.

I believe that if one were to very carefully study Scripture, they will learn that there remains a future time period that has been specifically identified as being a 3.5 year period of time - and it occurs just prior to the Return of Christ. I can find no where in Scripture which identifies a so-called "7 year Tribulation Period." One would have to absolutely contort Scripture; "read into" what is documented; and/or "add to" or "take away" from Scripture in such a way to make this theory work, that I would call it downright heresy.

In light of Covid-19; I am beginning to believe that we are right on the threshold from entering this final 3.5 year time period. Look at how people are behaving...….

Globally, people are not taking this virus very seriously at all. Cases are rising daily and many people are dying. People are in a rush to have their lives restored - not realizing things have changed forever. Wake up people, vaccine or not, life has changed on planet Earth - and folks had better get a clue. I've heard and seen some very ignorant comments and actions concerning this virus. I'm convinced after witnessing and hearing some of the things said and done involving this pandemic - this virus is not going anywhere for a long time. We have entered an era where there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that God is sending a very strong message.

Enter the time when you will see planet Earth change right before our very eyes - yet people will not understand. Some are carrying on like "business as usual." When things change often there is a slow gradual progression. Then Sudden Destruction. As this virus continues to infect and kill - unemployment will continue to rise. World Governments will not be able to sustain the economic burden of providing for those who don't have. There will be a time where the absolute Rich are able to sustain - but only for a season. The poor will become destitute …….

ENTER THE COMING ANTICHRIST.

Most Theologians will mention that America the Great is not mentioned in End Time Prophecy. Well, we all know that something has to take America to her knees to allow the 4th and Final Empire to Rise to Power and "trample down the whole earth" as mentioned in Daniel 7:23. I believe Covid-19 may be a contributor to bringing America to her knees.

Dear Body of Christ - Covid-19 has changed the Entire World. I personally think things will get worse long before they get better - and it's because of the "Behaviors of Men." Unbelievable how people are responding to this virus - and how World Governments are basically irresponsible of holding people more accountable.

Antichrist will soon arise. Revelation 13 mentions Two Beasts during this 3.5 year time Period. I personally think the "Beast of the Earth" is referring to an End Time "Beast System" or Government - aka: the 4th and Final Empire. The Second Beast mentioned: The "Beast from the Sea" - aka: False Prophet is non other than the coming Antichrist himself. Folk I challenge many of you to read Revelation 13 and learn the meaning. There is not a so-called "False Prophet" and "Antichrist" identified as two separate Individuals - NO.... the False Prophet is the Antichrist. He is called so because of the metaphorical "signs and wonders" he is able to perform. The Beast System (4th Empire) gives her power and authority to the coming Antichrist. So there is only One final person working behind the power of Satan, and the Kingdom he rules over until the Return of Christ.

In closing -

Again there is only a remaining 3.5 year period of time identified prior to the Return of Christ. NOT a 7 year Tribulation Period - as this absolutely cannot be identified or found in Scripture.

[WOODHENOT3]

Hi Mr. Baldy,
Who's the 4th Kingdom?
Many Christians I know thinks Covid-19 is a scam that doctors are being paid to lie....

I think the GT is around the corner also.... :)

[Mr Baldy]

Hi Mr. Baldy,
Who's the 4th Kingdom?
Many Christians I know thinks Covid-19 is a scam that doctors are being paid to lie....

I think the GT is around the corner also.... :)

Hi Woody -

Wow - I didn't notice you sent anything, so sorry for the late response. I will say that as long as there is an Active ENP - then the European Union is still something we should keep our eyes on. Nothing else in our lifetime, at least to my knowledge has ever matched up in modern day prophecy the way this particular "Covenant with Many" has - and currently still does.

As far as Covid-19 is concerned, well only those who haven't been personally affected by this pandemic by way of losing a loved one, or having experienced it in one form or another negatively will say very ignorant things about it. Most say these things because they lack understanding; or have a certain selfish agenda.

We know that a future 3.5 year period of time is coming. Something has to mark the beginning. I've noticed that so many people put hopes in the things that they can see, feel, smell - or affect by some tangible way....in other words they put their Faith in this life and the World System. As if we're in control. Well I got news for those who believe this way...…

God is in Control of Everything.

Think about what Scripture says about the Return of Christ - and the Day of the Lord. People will be going on "business as usual" then BOOM - Sudden Destruction. They won't have a clue because they won't believe it can happen in their life time. They'll be putting their hope in MAN....their jobs, their families - or whatever. Well, Covid-19 alone should open the eyes of many.