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Deut. 6:17-18
17 Ye shall diligently keep the commandments of the LORD your God, and his testimonies, and his statutes, which he hath commanded thee.
18 And thou shalt do that which is right and good in the sight of the LORD: that it may be well with thee, and that thou mayest go in and possess the good land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers
Deut. Chapter 30
1 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee,
2 And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;
3 That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee.
4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:
5 And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.
6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
7 And the LORD thy God will put all these curses upon thine enemies, and on them that hate thee, which persecuted thee.
8 And thou shalt return and obey the voice of the LORD, and do all his commandments which I command thee this day.
9 And the LORD thy God will make thee plenteous in every work of thine hand, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy land, for good: for the LORD will again rejoice over thee for good, as he rejoiced over thy fathers:
10 If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.
11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
16 In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.
Ezekiel 13:8-9
8 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord GOD.
9 And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD.
Jeremiah 29:13-14
13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
14 And I will be found of you, saith the LORD: and I will turn away your captivity, and I will gather you from all the nations, and from all the places whither I have driven you, saith the LORD; and I will bring you again into the place whence I caused you to be carried away captive.
Micah 4:6-7
6 In that day, saith the LORD, will I assemble her that halteth, and I will gather her that is driven out, and her that I have afflicted;
7 And I will make her that halted a remnant, and her that was cast far off a strong nation: and the LORD shall reign over them in mount Zion from henceforth, even for ever.
keithareilly wrote:
This prophecy was fulfilled in 1948.
Israel was established as a nation. After it was establish, then war broke out with the Arab countries.
Thus we have "Before she travailed, she brought forth."
Nations wage wars of independance, once they win, a new nation is born.
Not so with Israel; Israel first became a nation, then suffered the pangs of birth (war).
This is done so that all men know this is God's will, not man's will.
Keith, This is a perfect example of the myths surrounding the establishment of the State. With a little research, you will find that the "travailing" also came BEFORE 1948 and the war was not for "independence". I plan to address all this in the next post when I examine the Balfour Declaration and the time leading up to 1948.
For the children of Israel shall abide many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred pillar, without ephod or teraphim (idols). Afterward, the children of Israel shall return and seek the LORD their God and David their king. They shall fear the LORD and His goodness in the latter days. (Hos 3:3-4).
"I will return again to My place Till they acknowledge their offense. Then they will seek My face; In their affliction, they will earnestly seek Me.”
“Then I will pour out a spirit of grace and prayer on the family of David and on the people of Jerusalem. They will look on me whom they have pierced and mourn for him as for an only son. They will grieve bitterly for him as for a firstborn son who has died. (Zec 12:10).”
The import thing to note is the Abrahamic covenant is unconditional
They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, IF YE WERE ABRAHAM'S CHILDREN, YE WOULD DO THE WORKS OF ABRAHAM. But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. YE DO THE DEEDS OF YOUR FATHER........YE ARE OF YOUR FATHER THE DEVIL...."
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
keithareilly wrote:It is God who establishes kings and removes kings. If God did not establish the nation Israel, then it would not exist.God establishes Kings and removes Kings. Therefore, He established Muhammed and the subsequent Sultans.Did they believe in Christ? No. they are enemies of the Gospel.Nevertheless, God establishes Kings and Kingdoms even when they do not believe.If you doubt this, then consider ancient Israel itself as an example. Moses prophesied what kind of nation they would be, yet we know for certain God established ancient Israel. The very people who crucified His son.
keithareilly wrote:Did they believe in Christ? No. they are enemies of the Gospel.
Nevertheless, God establishes Kings and Kingdoms even when they do not believe.
Keith
Fine. Now I will show that God has raised these Zionists to be the Beast Empire and Mystery Babylon.
This is simply not true.
The term jew has become a blanket term to mean all of God's people.
THIS is what is meant when a nation is born in a day. The rapture happens and BOOM!!! God has His kingdom and nation. Instantaneous!! Miraculous!! Spontaneous!! There is nothing supernatural about the founding of the State. It is nothing more than the work of men who worship the God of Forces. In order to work the state into the gathering prophecies, you must have several gatherings. It doesn't work.
Jericho wrote:
"And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you"
"Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God." (Gen 17:7-8)
It seems pretty clear to me. Everlasting means everlasting.
Hebrews 3:19
SO WE SEE THAT THEY COULD NOT ENTER IN BECAUSE OF UNBELIEF.
Galatians 3:7
KNOW YE THEREFORE THAT THEY WHICH ARE OF FAITH, THE SAME ARE THE CHILDREN OF ABRAHAM.
Romans 2:28-29
FOR HE IS NOT A JEW, WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:BUT HE IS A JEW, WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; AND CIRCUMSION IS THAT OF THE HEART.."
Romans 11:20
… BECAUSE OF UNBELIEF THEY WERE BROKEN OFF..."
Jericho wrote:
I think Isaiah 66:8 makes it clear:
"Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children."
Looking4acity wrote:Jericho wrote:
I think Isaiah 66:8 makes it clear:
"Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children."
I say the verse refers to the Day of the Lord when He gathers His children. You say that it refers to the State. Taking the verses IN CONTEXT, tell me, when did God "extend peace to her like a river?" And when did He come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire?" "For by fire and by his sword will the Lord plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many."
Looking4acity wrote:
It is clear to me you are leaving out faith. So why did God make Israel wander in the wilderness for 40 years? He gave them the promises of the land did He not?
keithareilly wrote:The enslavement of Israel to Egypt represents man's enslavement to Sin.
There freedom from enslavement to Egypt represents our freedom from enslavement to Sin.
There wandering in the desert represents our Christian wandering of the world with no home in this world (a nation that is not a nation).
There gathering back to there land is the fulfillment of God's promise;
It is the evidence the promise Jesus made, to come back and gather us to the dwelling places awaiting us, will be kept.
John 14:1-6
1“Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me. 2“In My Father’s house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. 3“If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also. 4“And you know the way where I am going.” 5Thomas said to Him, “Lord, we do not know where You are going, how do we know the way?” 6Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.
The story of Israel is our story in worldly form.
Keith
keithareilly wrote:Lookingforacity,
Romans 1:16
16For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
So, we watch the Jews to understand what will happen to the Greeks (us).
Ephesians 1:13-14
13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.
Here is another example of the evidence that we will one day be gathered. But this evidence is harder because it can be viewed as subjective. Does the Holy Spirit reside in me or is it just my imagination?
On the other hand, the return of the Israelis to their land is hard core undeniable fact. Their return is not subjective. It is happening before our eyes. Remember, God struck down the Jewish nation for rejecting His Son. Even in the first part of the last century, God was still punishing them as evidenced by the Holocaust. For God to allow Israel's re-establishment means the time of vengeance/punishment for Crucifying Christ is coming to an end.
Because of Israel's return, we can be certain that we will be brought to the home Jesus promised us.
Keith
Hebrews 3:19
SO WE SEE THAT THEY COULD NOT ENTER IN BECAUSE OF UNBELIEF.
Looking4acity wrote:Hebrews 3:19SO WE SEE THAT THEY COULD NOT ENTER IN BECAUSE OF UNBELIEF.
Looking4acity wrote:You really go through a lot of trouble to avoid answering the question. WHY DID GOD MAKE ISRAEL WANDER IN THE WILDERNESS FOR 40 YEARS? Here is a hint:Hebrews 3:19
SO WE SEE THAT THEY COULD NOT ENTER IN BECAUSE OF UNBELIEF.
2“I will send an angel before you and I will drive out the Canaanite, the Amorite, the Hittite, the Perizzite, the Hivite and the Jebusite. 3“Go up to a land flowing with milk and honey; for I will not go up in your midst, because you are an obstinate people, and I might destroy you on the way.”
Exodus 20:1-7: -
20:1 And God spoke all these words, saying:
2 "I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 "You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 "You shall not make for yourself a carved image — any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; [#00BFFF]5[/color] you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth {generations/ages} of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 "You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
Matthew 11:28-30: - 28 Come to Me, all you who labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light."
Matthew 4:17: - From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."
Daniel 9:24a: -
24 "Seventy weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
Looking4acity wrote:There is no doubt that there will be a remnant saved. I am not arguing the point. My point is that the people that are in the State today, that was instrumental of its forming, that call themselves Jews, and are clearly NOT Jews according to sound Scripture. They believe they are entitled to it, took other people's property and justify it because "God gave it to them". They are in unbelief which prevented them from going in before, but this time they are also anti-christ, that can be easily demonstated. ...
Looking4acity wrote:There is no doubt that there will be a remnant saved. I am not arguing the point. My point is that the people that are in the State today, that was instrumental of its forming, that call themselves Jews, and are clearly NOT Jews according to sound Scripture. They believe they are entitled to it, took other people's property and justify it because "God gave it to them". They are in unbelief which prevented them from going in before, but this time they are also anti-christ, that can be easily demonstated. Things havent changed, God's conditions apply the same today.
Abiding in His Word wrote:Looking4acity, a remnant can be as few as the four who remained faithful in Babylon and refused to partake of the King's food or Abraham's intercession for those he might find who were righteous among the wicked. Or Noah and his family who were a remnant following the flood. Or Lot and his family who went out from Sodom and were saved from it's destruction. There are "whosoevers" in Israel who are present at this time in history who are the remnant. They have come to believe the 350 prophecies about Jesus the Messiah. For their sake, God's purposes and promises to the nation of Israel will be fulfilled.
keithareilly wrote:
There unbelief did not prevent them from going in before. They were given the promised land by God, even when God knew full well their obstinate behavior would be passed down and culminate in the killing of His only Son.
Keith
Looking4acity wrote:I agree. But do you not understand what I am saying? Those people are clearly not running the Israeli government.
Netanyahu Bible Study Highlights Israel's Right to the Land
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday hosted his sixth open Bible study at the official Prime Minister’s Residence in Jerusalem since reestablishing the practice two years ago.
The event was attended by dozens of leading rabbis and academics, many of them members of Knesset and the current government.
Abiding in His Word wrote:Looking4acity wrote:I agree. But do you not understand what I am saying? Those people are clearly not running the Israeli government.
The remnant who are residents in the land will be the recipients of the fulfillment of God's purposes and promises.Netanyahu Bible Study Highlights Israel's Right to the Land
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday hosted his sixth open Bible study at the official Prime Minister’s Residence in Jerusalem since reestablishing the practice two years ago.
The event was attended by dozens of leading rabbis and academics, many of them members of Knesset and the current government.
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Looking4acity wrote:Yes, the remnant will be, plus there's sooooo many more. Millions that will be there. When God gathers His Children. It hasn't happened yet and it isn't the State. I do believe they will flee when the antichrist is revealed. But, The prophecies concerning the gathering wasnt meant to include or have the modern State inserted. This is a huge part of the deception.
Just because they are having a Bible study, doesn't mean these men are righteous and have good intentions. Especially the higher officials including Netanyahu. They want to put on a good show publicly just like the Pharisees did in Jesus' day. They want to project legitimacy from God. And someday, they will show signs and wonders from there and people will believe a lie.
Abiding in His Word wrote:Looking4acity wrote:Yes, the remnant will be, plus there's sooooo many more. Millions that will be there. When God gathers His Children. It hasn't happened yet and it isn't the State. I do believe they will flee when the antichrist is revealed. But, The prophecies concerning the gathering wasnt meant to include or have the modern State inserted. This is a huge part of the deception.
I don't believe Israel is called a "modern State" anywhere in scripture.![]()
But Israel is the land promised to Abraham's descendants "From the river of Egypt as far as the great river, the river Euphrates" (Gen. 15:18)Just because they are having a Bible study, doesn't mean these men are righteous and have good intentions. Especially the higher officials including Netanyahu. They want to put on a good show publicly just like the Pharisees did in Jesus' day. They want to project legitimacy from God. And someday, they will show signs and wonders from there and people will believe a lie.
We cannot determine their righteousness nor intentions. Nor can we make the assumption they are just putting on a good show. However, what we can know from the link I posted that Bible study is apparently a regular practice in the Netanyahu residence.
The prime minister said that while these open Bible studies have only been held a handful of times, the Word of God is studied in his home at least once a week. Netanyahu’s younger son, Avner, won the National Bible Quiz for Youth in 2010, and, according to the prime minister, often leads their home sessions.
Also evident from the link is that they are aware the Bible supports the evidence that the land has been given to the Jews.
Netanyahu noted that there are many in the world today who do not accept Israel’s divine appointment to this particular land, and who seek to defame the Jewish people and deny their birthright.
Looking4acity wrote:Lol. No, they named the State "Israel"
which it isnt, unless they by faith believe in God's Word. Now, you can argue that they believe that it is their land which is written in God's Word, but Satan knows the Bible too and is using it for the great deception.
Yes, the land was promised to his descendants. But scripture fully explains that you are NOT his descendant if you are in unbelief. Israel today is in unbelief therefore not entitled.
Mark F wrote:Looking4acity you are mistaken, There were two spies that gave a good report, Caleb from Judah and Joshua the son of Nun from Ephraim. And It should be noted that when the kingdom was divided the Northern kingdom included Joshua's tribe of Ephraim (believer) and the Southern kingdom included Judah(believer) and Benjamin.
Aside from that Abiding has pointed out a very important point in that God waited until all the men 20 and above who were numbered (excluding the Levites who were not numbered) and Joshua and Caleb died to rid them of the unbelievers that came out of Egypt and could not enter.
Are we to then believe that every person who entered in was a believer?
“After the LORD your God has done this for you, don’t say in your hearts, ‘The LORD has given us this land because we are such good people!’ No, it is because of the wickedness of the other nations that he is pushing them out of your way.
It is not because you are so good or have such integrity that you are about to occupy their land. The LORD your God will drive these nations out ahead of you only because of their wickedness, and to fulfill the oath he swore to your ancestors Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. (Deu 9:4-5)
Are we to then believe that every person who entered in was a believer?
Abiding in His Word wrote:Looking4acity wrote:Lol. No, they named the State "Israel"
Who is "they"?which it isnt, unless they by faith believe in God's Word. Now, you can argue that they believe that it is their land which is written in God's Word, but Satan knows the Bible too and is using it for the great deception.
God spoke of His people collectively as Israel. Moses was to tell Pharaoh to "Let My son (all of the Israelites) go." Just as Italy's residents are called Italians; Germany's called Germans, etc., those who inhabit or dwell in that land/country/nation are called Israelites.
"Then you shall say to Pharaoh, 'Thus says the LORD, "Israel is My son, My firstborn. "So I said to you, 'Let My son go that he may serve Me'; but you have refused to let him go. Behold, I will kill your son, your firstborn."' Exodus 4:22-23
Yes, the land was promised to his descendants. But scripture fully explains that you are NOT his descendant if you are in unbelief. Israel today is in unbelief therefore not entitled.
Just as there are some residents in Italy who are of a different ethnicity and Germans who are not directly descended from German parents, so, too, some citizens of Israel may not be directly descended from God's son, Israel. They may still identify themselves as Israelites as they dwell in the land called Israel. Those who are direct descendants, are the remnant to whom the land was promised in Genesis 12. Paul was such a descendant:
... although I myself might have confidence even in the flesh. If anyone else has a mind to put confidence in the flesh, I far more: circumcised the eighth day, of the nation of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; as to the Law, a Pharisee; Php 3:4-5
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