Turkey : Part Four

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Postby Exit40 on Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:02 am

Why Hamas Supports Erdogan's War
by Khaled Abu Toameh October 22, 2019 at 5:00 am

If, according to Hamas, Turkey has the right to protect its border, why does Israel not have the same right?

Hamas's support for Erdogan's war on the Kurds seems to be in the context of its attempt to persuade the Turkish authorities to allow its members to continue using Turkey as a base for masterminding terrorist attacks against Israel.

As Hamas said in its statement, it is opposed to the "US and Israeli presence in the region." Hamas seems to be happy that the US abandoned the Kurds and left northern Syria. Hamas does not want the US to play any political or military role in the region....

It now remains to be seen how Erdogan will reward Hamas for supporting his war on the Kurds. Hamas, meanwhile, is holding its breath, hoping that Turkey will embrace the group and facilitate its fight against Israel....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:06 am

Turkey's New 'Bashibazouks': The Free Syrian Army
by Burak Bekdil October 22, 2019 at 4:30 am

"In the outskirts of Aleppo, the FSA [Free Syrian Army] has implemented a Sharia law enforcement police force that is a replica of the Wahhabi police in Saudi Arabia — forcing ordinary citizens to abide by the Sharia code..." — HuffPost, December 31, 2012.

Trained and funded by Turkey since 2016 and with a reputation for violence and looting, the fighters of the Syrian National Army (SNA, formerly the Free Syrian Army) resemble very much the Ottoman bashibazouks.

"Elizabeth Tsurkov, a fellow at the U.S.-based Foreign Policy Research Institute who has interviewed dozens of the fighters and said they appear to be driven by a desire for power and money rather than by any specific ideology... 'Hatred of Kurds, a sense of Arab chauvinism, complete intolerance for any dissent, and just a desire to make a profit is what's driving most of the abuses.'" — Associated Press, October 15, 2019.

During Turkey's most recent, ongoing, military incursion into Syria, launched on October 9, SNA militias captured a major highway that runs across northern Syria. According to Associated Press, "The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a Britain-based war monitor, said the Turkey-backed fighters shot and killed six civilians along the road, including Hevreen Khalaf, a woman who led a Kurdish political party."...

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:29 am

No longer the obedient NATO ally, Erdogan floats nuclear option
Analysis by Tim Lister, CNN Updated 7:47 PM ET, Mon October 21, 2019

(CNN)It's no secret that Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan sees his country as the pre-eminent Muslim power in the Middle East. He regards his vision of political Islam as competing with that of Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. He frequently accuses the United States of trying to belittle his country, and ruminates about a "greater Turkey."

But does Erdogan believe that Turkey has the right or need to acquire nuclear weapons to cement its status?

Last month the Turkish leader suggested as much, saying that "some countries have missiles with nuclear warheads, not one or two. But we can't have them. This, I cannot accept." He went on to single out Israel, saying: "We have Israel nearby, almost as neighbors. They scare others by possessing these. No one can touch them."...

Snip... Erdogan is, first and last, a Turkish nationalist; no sleight -- perceived or otherwise -- will go unanswered....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Thu Oct 24, 2019 7:06 am

Russia, Turkey and Syrian government on the same page - but for how long?
Jonathan Marcus Diplomatic correspondent
23 October 2019

Russian President Vladimir Putin meets his Turkish opposite number to underscore Moscow's role as the would-be guarantor of stability in the region. Russia and Turkey will soon be mounting joint patrols to help delineate the boundary of the new, so-called security zone. Meanwhile, withdrawing US special forces vehicles are pelted with vegetables and rubbish as they leave their erstwhile Kurdish allies to their fate.

The Turkish incursion into Syria and the US retreat have huge implications for both Syria itself and the region at large. Some of the impact is immediate and some potentially long-term.

This is, in the first instance, a victory for the Turks, for Russia and for the Syrian government. Turkey has on the face of things got a large part of what it wanted. It keeps its troops and allied militias in those areas of Syria that it already controls. Russia and Syria appear to have agreed to ensure the departure of Kurdish forces from a broad swathe of territory running across almost the whole frontier zone....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Seeker on Fri Oct 25, 2019 2:25 am

Was digging around the news and found it interesting and telling looking at the photo op pic of Mr. Erdogan and US VP Mr. Pence. They both almost looked disgusted at having to shake hands for the picture while Mr. Erdogan and Mr. Putin depicted broad smiles for their photo op. Also seeing the Russians pour in as the US was leaving pretty well tells the story.
Definitely a shift in US/Turkey relations.

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:45 am

Seeker wrote:Definitely a shift in US/Turkey relations.

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A shift in US Mideast relations. Saudi Arabia seems to be our focus, other than Israel. Let's see how long it takes for Jerusalem to be the center of the worlds focus.

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:02 am

Erdogan calls on US to hand over Kurdish commander Mazloum Abdi
Call for commander's extradition comes as Kurds hold talks with US and Russia to stave off Turkey's advance in Syria.
2 hours ago

Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan demanded the United States hand over the commander of Kurdish-led forces in Syria, in a sharp rebuke of Washington's call for negotiations with the Syrian Kurds.

The call for Mazloum Abdi's extradition on Thursday came after US President Donald Trump, in a letter to Erdogan on October 9, said the Kurdish commander was "willing to negotiate" with the Turkish president and "make concessions that they would have never made in the past"....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Seeker on Sat Oct 26, 2019 2:33 pm

Hi David,

Saudi Arabia seems to be our focus, other than Israel.


This is what I find interesting.

Eze 38:10  Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought: 
Eze 38:11  And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates, 
Eze 38:12  To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land. 
Eze 38:13  Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil? 
Eze 38:14  Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord GOD; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it? 
Eze 38:15  And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army: 
Eze 38:16  And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes. 


Dedan was located in modern Saudi Arabia. They seem to protest the invasion by the AC from the north. Perhaps they want the spoils themselves or perhaps they have sided with Israel. The AC goes on a rampage of the middle east prior to the last battle fought in Israel. Saudi Arabia is aligned with the West who is aligned with Israel. The AC eventually prevails and conquers Israel for a time. I see a lot of pre-Israel wars in the middle east prior to the final invasion of Israel. The bible shows Dedan opposed to the AC which looks good for the West being on the correct side of this epic battle in Israel. That or the West has been taken out of the picture allowing the AC to accomplish his desires in Israel.

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:12 am

Seeker wrote:Hi David,

Saudi Arabia seems to be our focus, other than Israel.


This is what I find interesting.

Eze 38:10  Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought: 
Eze 38:11  And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates, 
Eze 38:12  To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land. 
Eze 38:13  Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil? 
Eze 38:14  Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord GOD; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it? 
Eze 38:15  And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army: 
Eze 38:16  And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes. 


Dedan was located in modern Saudi Arabia. They seem to protest the invasion by the AC from the north. Perhaps they want the spoils themselves or perhaps they have sided with Israel. The AC goes on a rampage of the middle east prior to the last battle fought in Israel. Saudi Arabia is aligned with the West who is aligned with Israel. The AC eventually prevails and conquers Israel for a time. I see a lot of pre-Israel wars in the middle east prior to the final invasion of Israel. The bible shows Dedan opposed to the AC which looks good for the West being on the correct side of this epic battle in Israel. That or the West has been taken out of the picture allowing the AC to accomplish his desires in Israel.

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I agree, many conflicts, one of which we just got out of in Syria, mostly.

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Seeker on Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:40 pm

The Moment to End Turkey’s Other War, in Cyprus, Is Fading Fast
October 24, 2019 by Stéphanie Fillion

....."While hopes had been raised that new talks on unfreezing the conflict would find momentum after the United Nations General Assembly opened its annual session in September, Turkey’s invasion in northeast Syria this month and difficulties finding common ground in Cyprus are shuffling the cards.

With much of the world’s attention suddenly diverted on Syria in the latest fighting there, optimism is fading fast that the two sides in the Cyprus conflict will meet with United Nations Secretary-General António Guterres to resume talks, as planned. (The UN has one of its longest-lasting peacekeeping missions in Cyprus.)"......

https://www.passblue.com/2019/10/24/the ... ding-fast/


I have been sort of reviewing the peripheral nations around the AC exploits. Reminded me again of Dan 11.

Dan 11:30  For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant. 
Dan 11:31  And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. 


The ships of Chittim could quite possibly be Cyprus related. Seems tensions on many fronts are rising between Cyprus and Turkey currently. The ongoing rift on the island of Cyprus itself seems to be re-surging somewhat. Also a dispute over oil drilling in the area. That could lead to some serious disagreements for sure.

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:23 am

SDF begins withdrawal from Syria-Turkey border
Kurdish-led SDF begins withdrawal from region in accordance with deal brokered by Russia and Turkey. 18 hours ago

The Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) has said it has agreed to re-deploy away from the Syria-Turkey border, in accordance with an agreement reached between Russia and Turkey on Tuesday.

"The SDF is redeploying to new positions away from the Turkish-Syrian border across northeast Syria in accordance with the terms of the agreement in order to stop the bloodshed and to protect the inhabitants of the region from Turkish attacks," the SDF said in a statement on Sunday.

The Kurdish-led SDF said Syrian government forces will deploy along the border. It called on Russia to help ensure a "constructive dialogue" between the Syrian government and the Kurdish-led administration in northeast Syria....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Mon Oct 28, 2019 7:07 am

Seeker wrote:
Dan 11:30  For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant. 
Dan 11:31  And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. 


The ships of Chittim could quite possibly be Cyprus related. Seems tensions on many fronts are rising between Cyprus and Turkey currently. The ongoing rift on the island of Cyprus itself seems to be re-surging somewhat. Also a dispute over oil drilling in the area. That could lead to some serious disagreements for sure.

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Hi Seeker. No doubt it is Cyprus related, revolving around the huge oil and natural gas reserves found off shore there. I don't recall if a treaty was ever struck between Israel, Greece, and Cyprus, to establish a natural gas pipeline and offshore transport depot to ship that to the EU nations. I know it was in the works, possibly, to get around Turkish involvement with the project if it were to actually be on the island itself. This huge source of income could be one of those 'have you come to take a spoil' issues mentioned in Ezekiel 38:12-13. In verse 13, "Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof", are Saudi Arabia, and likely some of the Gulf nations close to them, would be upset by this as they appear to be aligning with Israel to some extent, with behind the scenes US backing. Quite possibly there are those in Israel who forsake the nation in their self interest to make a lot of money by siding with Turkey on this issue, betraying Israel in the process of course. I don't think this portion of the Prophecy relates to open warfare at this point, rather it is a factor that gets dealt with after a time and is part of the later invasion of Israel. This of course if we are presently in the near approach of the end times conflicts.

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:22 am

Fierce clashes erupt between Syrian army, Turkish-led forces
Syrian troops battle Turkish-backed fighters near the border town of Ras al-Ain, threatening Russia-backed ceasefire.
3 hours ago

Heavy fighting between Syrian army troops and Turkish forces erupted near Ras al-Ain as Turkish-backed forces seized villages surrounding the border town.

Turkish-backed rebels said there were intermittent clashes between the two militaries in recent days south of the town, which Turkey seized from Syrian Kurdish-led forces earlier this month.

Al Jazeera's Hashem Ahelbarra, reporting from the border town of Sanliurfa, said thousands of people were fleeing the fighting near Ras al-Ain and Tal Tamr towns.

Turkish-backed Syrian opposition fighters - known as the Syrian National Army (SNA) - launched an offensive and took over areas previously under control of Kurdish fighters south of Ras al-Ain, he said....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:11 am

The “Most Colossal Crime of All Ages”
A new U.S. resolution acknowledging the Armenian Genocide has Turkey outraged.
Thu Oct 31, 2019 Raymond Ibrahim

An ugly truth of history has just been acknowledged. On October 29, the US House of Representatives voted overwhelmingly (405 to 11) in favor of Resolution 296, which acknowledges the Armenian genocide perpetrated by Ottoman Turks during WW1. (Unsurprisingly, Ilhan Omar was among the very few to abstain; her disingenuous logic will be addressed later.)

In order to become official policy, however, the resolution needs to be approved by both houses of Congress, and then signed by the president. The Senate is currently not scheduled to vote on the measure.

It is at any rate a step in the right direction. According to the book Remembrance and Denial: The Case of the Armenian Genocide,

At the beginning of 1915 there were some two million Armenians within Turkey; today there are fewer than 60,000…. Despite the vast amount of evidence that points to the historical reality of the Armenian Genocide, eyewitness accounts, official archives, photographic evidence, the reports of diplomats, and the testimony of survivors, denial of the Armenian Genocide by successive regimes in Turkey has gone on from 1915 to the present.

Indeed, Turkey is currently outraged at this resolution; its president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, called it “worthless” and the “biggest insult” to the Turkish people....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:59 am

Turkey: Arming Genocide of Christians in Nigeria?
by Raymond Ibrahim
November 3, 2019 at 5:00 am

The gist of their brief conversation in Turkish, according to the Arabic transcript, is that weapons were being transferred from Turkey to Nigeria — and that there was a concern that the weapons might kill not just Christians but Muslims.

According to [Egyptian TenTV host Nasha't] al-Deyhi, this is proof positive that Turkey is the one supplying Boko Haram with its weapons — including sophisticated weapons — the source of which has long puzzled observers.

It appears that Erdogan's sponsorship of terrorism may not be limited to neighboring Middle Eastern nations; it may have reached deep into Africa. A serious investigation with possible sanctions is in order....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Sun Nov 03, 2019 6:16 am

Did Turkey Know Where Baghdadi Was Hiding?
Some U.S. intelligence analysts have their suspicions.
By Eli Lake October 31, 2019, 9:00 PM PDT

As U.S. intelligence analysts comb through electronic and paper documents seized last weekend from the lair of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, one question is foremost on their minds: How was the Islamic State leader able to find refuge in a Syrian province secured by the Turkish military and its proxy forces?

Three U.S. national security officials told me that they want to know more about Turkey’s knowledge of Baghdadi’s whereabouts. One important task for the team now going through the material seized in the Baghdadi raid and another raid that killed organization’s spokesman, Abul Hassan al-Muhajir, is to map out the relationship between Turkey’s intelligence service and Islamic State.

Both men were hiding close to the Turkish border in Syrian territory. Muhajir was found in Jarabulus, a town in the Aleppo province patrolled by Turkish forces. Baghdadi was found in Idlib province, where there are numerous Turkish military checkpoints....

Snip... As one U.S. official who works closely on Syria policy told me: “Turkey has done everything in its power to support the worst actors in the Syrian civil war.”...

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:23 am

NOVEMBER 7, 2019 / 12:48 AM / UPDATED 4 HOURS AGO
Erdogan says U.S. not fulfilling Syria deal ahead of Trump talks
Daren Butler

ISTANBUL (Reuters) - Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said on Thursday the United States was not fulfilling its pledge to remove a Kurdish militia from a Syrian border region and he will raise the issue when he meets President Donald Trump next week.

Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan addresses members of parliament from his ruling AK Party (AKP) during a meeting at the Turkish parliament in Ankara, Turkey, November 5, 2019. Murat Cetinmuhurdar/Presidential Press Office/Handout via REUTERS
A month ago, Turkey launched a cross-border offensive with Syrian rebels against Kurdish YPG fighters. After seizing control of a 120-km (75-mile) swathe of territory, it reached a deal with the United States to keep them out of that area.

Erdogan is set to discuss implementation of the agreement with Trump in Washington on Nov. 13, after confirming that the visit would go ahead following a phone call between the leaders overnight.

“While we hold these talks, those who promised us that the YPG...would withdraw from here within 120 hours have not achieved this,” he told a news conference, referring to a deadline set in last month’s agreement....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:45 am

Turkey: Erdogan's Campaign against the West
by Giulio Meotti November 9, 2019 at 5:00 am

"Europe is a cultural continent, not a geographical one... It is its culture that gives it a common identity. The roots that have formed it, that have permitted the formation of this continent, are those of Christianity. [...] In this sense, throughout history Turkey has always represented another continent, in permanent contrast with Europe. There were the wars against the Byzantine empire, the fall of Constantinople, the Balkan wars, and the threat against Vienna and Austria. That is why I think it would be an error to equate the two continents." — Pope Benedict XVI, Le Figaro Magazine, 2007.

In Germany, Turkey controls 900 mosques out of a total of 2,400. These Islamic centers not only serve members of the Turkish diaspora, but also stop them from assimilating into German society. Speaking with Turks in Germany, Erdogan urged them not to assimilate, and called the assimilation of migrants in Europe "a crime against humanity."

Erdogan has also been expanding Turkey beyond its borders – starting with Cyprus, the Greek Islands, Suakin Island (Sudan) and Syria.

Mosques, migrants and the military are now Erdogan's new weapons in his threats against the West....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:35 am

Behind Trump’s Dealings With Turkey: Sons-in-Law Married to Power
Informal relationships between family members help explain the course of diplomacy between the White House and Turkey’s leader.
By David D. Kirkpatrick and Eric Lipton Nov. 12, 2019 Updated 7:29 a.m. ET

ISTANBUL — Behind President Trump’s accommodating attitude toward Turkey is an unusual back channel: a trio of sons-in-law who married into power and now play key roles in connecting Ankara with Washington.

One, Turkey’s finance minister, is the son-in-law of its strongman president and oversees his country’s relationship with the United States.

Another is the son-in-law of a Turkish tycoon and became a business partner to the Trump Organization. Now he advocates for Turkey with the Trump administration.

And the third is Jared Kushner, who as the son-in-law of and senior adviser to Mr. Trump has a vague if expansive foreign policy portfolio....

Snips... The term “deep state,” in fact, first emerged in Turkey decades ago, long before it came into vogue among Trump supporters, and Mr. Erdogan’s advisers say he has cultivated Mr. Trump by emphasizing their shared struggles against such entrenched forces within their governments....

... Mr. Erdogan and Mr. Trump are hardly natural partners....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:46 am

Russia baulks at Turkish idea of new Syrian military operation
Russia's defence ministry says it is puzzled by Turkish FM comments since Moscow upheld its part of Putin-Erdogan deal.
18 hours ago

Russia said on Tuesday it was bewildered by a Turkish pledge to conduct a new military operation in northern Syria if the area was not cleared of people Ankara calls "terrorists", warning any such move would damage efforts to stabilise the region.

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said on Monday his country would launch a new offensive in northeast Syria if it was not cleared of the Kurdish YPG militia.

State-owned Anadolu news agency quoted Cavusoglu as saying Russia and the United States had not done what was required under agreements that halted a Turkish offensive last month and called on both to make good on their pledges....

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Postby Seeker on Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:34 pm

Why Erdogan will never trust NATO amid Putin missile deal
By CHARLIE BRADLEY
PUBLISHED: 19:32, Thu, Nov 21, 2019

...."However, the attempted coup in 2016 aimed at ousting Mr Erdogan from power, has left the Turkish President with bitterness towards some Western countries as he believes they assisted the Gulen movement in its efforts to remove him from the Presidential Palace.

Expert in Turkish politics, Dr Waldman continued: “But then there is the attempted coup in Turkey in 2016, from the perspective of Erdogan this is a personal attempt against him, and he thinks ‘where are the Gulen movement, the architects of the coup, from? oh it has bases in the US’."......

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/12 ... -trump-spt


Always wondered if the West would be part of the AC alignment against Israel. Perhaps the answer is slowly emerging. We know there is a group protesting his actions against Israel. Turkey appears to be preparing to "step off the bus" quoting a former mayor of Istanbul... :)

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:02 am

Turkish Authorities Approve Conversion of Historic Church into Mosque
By Will Maule November 20, 2019

The Turkish Council of State has approved the conversion of a historic Greek Orthodox Church into a place of Islamic worship.

The Byzantine-era “Chora” Church was originally built in the early 4th century as a monastery complex outside the walls of Constantinople. It was later converted to a mosque after the Ottoman invasion of Istanbul.

In 1945, the church was restored and preserved as the “Kariye Museum.” Despite its conversion back to a symbol of Christianity, a lawsuit was later filed by the Association of Permanent Foundations and Service to Historical Artifacts and Environment claiming that the building was a mosque and thus belonged to the Fatih Sultan Mehmet Foundation....

Snip... Many believe that this latest announcement will speed up the process of converting the Hagia Sophia to a full-fledged mosque....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:47 am

'Not an invasion': Turkey's Hulusi Akar on Syria operation
Defence minister discusses military operation in Syria, cooperation with Russia and Iran, and ties with the US and NATO.
23 Nov 2019 13:09 GMT

In October 2019, Turkey launched a military operation in northeast Syria to drive the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) back from its border.

Dubbed Operation Peace Spring, Turkey's push was also aimed at establishing a "safe zone" stretching at least 30km (19 miles) into Syria to resettle some of the 3.6 million refugees it currently hosts.

In an interview with Al Jazeera, Turkish Minister of Defence Hulusi Akar discusses the operation in northeast Syria, Turkey's cooperation with Russia and Iran and Ankara's strained relations with the United States and NATO following the purchase of the S-400 air defence system from Moscow.

The military operation in northeast Syria was condemned by the US, a NATO ally, and members of the international community, but for Ankara it was seen as necessary to ensure national security. The SDF is dominated by the People's Protection Units (YPG), labelled "terrorists" by Ankara because of its ties to the outlawed Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), which has been fighting the Turkish state for decades.

"Our only wish, our only goal, our only effort is towards the security of our country. Who from? The YPG, the PKK, terrorists and Daesh (ISIL, or ISIS). Our goal is to establish the security of our borders and our people," Akar tells Al Jazeera....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:23 am

'I said sure': Lindsey Graham blocked Armenian genocide resolution at White House request
by Carlin Becker November 24, 2019 08:01 PM

Sen. Lindsey Graham confirmed that he blocked a resolution that would have formally recognized Turkey's Armenian genocide at the request of the White House.

After Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan met with President Trump and a group of Republican senators in the Oval Office on Nov. 13, Graham rushed back to the Senate floor and blocked the resolution. Prior to his return to the Senate, a senior White House official told him that Sen. Bob Menendez was planning to present the resolution and asked if Graham could "please object."...

Snip... He added, "I'm not going to object next time."...

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:40 am

Erdogan: Turkey-Qatar military base serves regional 'stability'
President Erdogan says base in Qatar with 5,000 Turkish troops is now complete, calling it a 'symbol of brotherhood'.
22 hours ago

Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Monday the construction of a new Turkish military base has been completed in Qatar and it will be named after the famous Muslim commander Khalid bin Walid.

Erdogan arrived in Doha earlier in the day to attend the fifth meeting of the Turkey-Qatar High Strategic Committee....

Snip... The command centre was named after Khalid bin Walid - one of the Islamic world's greatest generals who commanded armies of the Prophet Muhammad in the seventh century. He was so adept in battle, the Prophet Muhammad gave him the name the "Unsheathed Sword of Allah".

Erdogan dubbed the military base "the symbol of brotherhood, friendship, solidarity and sincerity"....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:02 am

Libya, Turkey sign deals on security and maritime jurisdictions
Ankara says agreements were signed when President Erdogan met Prime Minister Fayez al-Sarraj in Istanbul.
4 hours ago

Turkey and Libya on Wednesday signed two agreements on security and military cooperation and restriction of marine jurisdictions, Turkish authorities said.

Memorandums of understanding were signed after Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan held a closed meeting with the internationally-recognised government of Prime Minister Fayez al-Sarraj in Istanbul, the state-run Anadolu Agency reported quoting the Turkish Presidential Communications Directorate.

The move comes as Tripoli, the seat of the Government of National Accord (GNA), has been battling forces backed by renegade military commander Khalifa Haftar....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Fri Nov 29, 2019 7:42 am

'Are you brain dead?' Turkey's Erdogan asks Macron before NATO summit
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ISTANBUL (Reuters) - Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said on Friday that Emmanuel Macron’s warning that NATO was dying reflects a “sick and shallow” understanding, telling the French president “you should check whether you are brain dead”.

Erdogan was speaking days ahead of a summit of the military alliance, which Macron said was experiencing “brain death” because of American unpredictability under President Donald Trump and strained ties with Turkey....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Ready1 on Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:29 am

Exit40 wrote:Libya, Turkey sign deals on security and maritime jurisdictions
Ankara says agreements were signed when President Erdogan met Prime Minister Fayez al-Sarraj in Istanbul.
4 hours ago

Turkey and Libya on Wednesday signed two agreements on security and military cooperation and restriction of marine jurisdictions, Turkish authorities said.

Memorandums of understanding were signed after Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan held a closed meeting with the internationally-recognised government of Prime Minister Fayez al-Sarraj in Istanbul, the state-run Anadolu Agency reported quoting the Turkish Presidential Communications Directorate.

The move comes as Tripoli, the seat of the Government of National Accord (GNA), has been battling forces backed by renegade military commander Khalifa Haftar....

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This is significant in that the Ezekiel players must come together and this may be a point which helps to tie Turkey (Gomer/Bethtogarmah) with Libya.
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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:41 am

Ready1 wrote:This is significant in that the Ezekiel players must come together and this may be a point which helps to tie Turkey (Gomer/Bethtogarmah) with Libya.


Precisely.

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:45 am

Turkey threatens to block NATO's Baltic defence plan over YPG
President Erdogan calls for unconditional support from the alliance in its fight against the Kurdish-Syrian militia.
3 Dec 2019

Turkey will block NATO's plan for the defence of Baltic countries unless the alliance recognises a Kurdish group as "terrorists", Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan warned.

A NATO meeting on Tuesday, marking the alliance's 70th anniversary, was set to be a tense affair with Turkey at odds with other members over its purchase of Russian missiles and recent offensive in northern Syria, among other issues.

Speaking at a news conference in the capital, Ankara, before his departure for the British capital, Erdogan urged unconditional support of the alliance in the fight against the Kurdish People's Protection Unit (YPG), which Turkey views as a terrorist organisation.

"NATO needs to act in a proactive manner against threats posed by the terrorist organisations," Erdogan said. "It is inevitable that NATO is in need of readjusting itself against today's terrorist threats. We expect our allies to display strong cooperation with us against the threats we are facing."...

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Seeker on Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:48 pm

Libya, Turkey sign deals on security and maritime jurisdictions


Very very interesting. Libya is only mentioned by name 3 times in the bible.


(Eze 30:5)  Ethiopia, and Libya, and Lydia, and all the mingled people, and Chub, and the men of the land that is in league, shall fall with them by the sword.
(Eze 38:5)  Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:
(Act 2:10)  Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,



Eze 30:3  For the day is near, even the day of the LORD is near, a cloudy day; it shall be the time of the heathen. 
Eze 30:4  And the sword shall come upon Egypt, and great pain shall be in Ethiopia, when the slain shall fall in Egypt, and they shall take away her multitude, and her foundations shall be broken down. 
Eze 30:5  Ethiopia, and Libya, and Lydia, and all the mingled people, and Chub, and the men of the land that is in league, shall fall with them by the sword.

 
In Ezekiel 30 at the day of the Lord, they are among those slain by the Lord. Then in Ezekiel 38 they are part of the AC alliance who we know the Lord also defeats. So two cases of Libya on the wrong side about the same time chronologically. Indeed a country to be watched as we near the Day of the Lord.

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Seeker on Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:51 pm

President Erdogan has issued a license to kill
By Can Dundar
Dec. 2, 2019 at 6:51 p.m. CST

...."“Some countries eliminate terrorists whom they consider as a threat to their national security, wherever they are,” he said. “This means they accept that Turkey has the same right.” He then hinted about his target: “This includes the terrorists they shake hands with and praised. I hope we will have good news for the nation on this matter soon.”

This was a blatant announcement of an assassination in the works. After the meeting, journalists asked Erdogan whether the target he had in mind might be Syrian Kurdish commander Mazloum Abdi. Erdogan responded: “Who would announce such actions? Did the United States arrive announced?”.....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... ense-kill/
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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Sat Dec 07, 2019 7:55 am

Macron and Turkey clash over terrorism after Syria conflict 'No consensus possible!'
FRENCH President Emmanuel Macron said on Wednesday that “no consensus” could be reached with Turkey on the definition of terrorism, amid an ongoing dispute with Ankara over Kurdish militia groups.
By ROMINA MCGUINNESS PUBLISHED: 17:50, Fri, Dec 6, 2019 | UPDATED: 18:56, Fri, Dec 6, 2019

The French leader’s remarks came after he accused Ankara of working with ISIS proxies, saying its ambiguity towards the group was hampering its allies’ efforts in Iraq and Syria. “I don’t see any possible consensus,” Mr Macron said following a NATO summit in London clouded by the row with Turkey over its demand that its allies nominate as “terrorists” Kurdish fighters in north-eastern Syria who helped a US-led coalition defeat Islamic State (ISIS) jihadists. “There is a disagreement that has not been resolved,” he continued.

Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan had threatened to block a NATO plan to boost the defences of Poland, Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia against a potential attack from Russia, unless the military alliance recognised the Syrian Kurdish People’s Protection Units (YPG) as terrorists.

Mr Macron, however, rejects Ankara’s claim that the YPG is a branch of the PKK, or Kurdistan Workers’ Party, which has waged a long insurgent campaign against the Turkish state and is officially considered a terrorist organisation by both the European Union and the United States.

“It is clear that we do not agree to classify the YPG-PYD as a terrorist group,” Mr Macron told reporters....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Seeker on Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:30 am

Turkish Military Will Stay in Syria Until Syrians Say 'Thank You, You May Leave Now' - Erdogan
Sputnik News
16:54 07.12.2019

"Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan stated on Saturday that Turkish forces won't leave Syrian territory until the people of the country ask Ankara to withdraw.

"We will not leave Syria until the people of Syria say, 'Thank you, you may leave now'", the president said at a rally in Istanbul.".....

https://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/libr ... tnik01.htm
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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:59 am

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"We will not leave Syria until the people of Syria say, 'Thank you, you may leave now'", the president said at a rally in Istanbul.".....


Well that leaves out Assad, Putin, Trump, or anyone else who wants to get in his way. But he will take money to help pay for the expense of keeping the Syrian people fed, clothed, medical aid provided, and security for their tent colonies he intends to set up in the disputed areas along their mutual border. Yeah, he's a real man of the people, with the purest of intentions. Lord have mercy.

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Seeker on Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:16 pm

Hi David,

Yes I almost had to do a double take to be sure I read what I thought I had. :shock: Of coarse, though, he is known for some bold statements from time to time so not really out of character. He is basically entrenching now. Syria is a very strategic location to control if one ever needed to invade Israel. In fact we do know from scripture there is an invasion from the north. Due north of Israel is Syria so merits very close scrutiny as we edge closer to the future invasion of Israel.

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Postby Seeker on Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:23 pm

Turkey's Syria offensive explained in four maps
14 October 2019

...."Amid growing chaos, US officials said on 13 October that Mr Trump had decided to begin withdraw all its troops from northern Syria.

Hours later, the SDF said an agreement had been reached with the Syrian government - which considers the US an enemy - for the Syrian army "to enter and deploy along the length of the Syrian-Turkish border" and repel the Turkish assault.

What has been the humanitarian impact?
The area falling within Turkey's "safe zone" is fertile plain that once served as Syria's breadbasket. It is dotted with dozens of villages and towns, unlike the barren, desert regions to the south."....

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-49973218


This article has some good maps to put it all sort of in perspective I thought.

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Seeker on Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:54 pm

Isa 10:5  O Assyrian, the rod of mine anger, and the staff in their hand is mine indignation. 
Isa 10:6  I will send him against an hypocritical nation, and against the people of my wrath will I give him a charge, to take the spoil, and to take the prey, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets. 
Isa 10:7  Howbeit he meaneth not so, neither doth his heart think so; but it is in his heart to destroy and cut off nations not a few. 
Isa 10:8  For he saith, Are not my princes altogether kings? 
Isa 10:9  Is not Calno as Carchemish? is not Hamath as Arpad? is not Samaria as Damascus? 
Isa 10:10  As my hand hath found the kingdoms of the idols, and whose graven images did excel them of Jerusalem and of Samaria; 
Isa 10:11  Shall I not, as I have done unto Samaria and her idols, so do to Jerusalem and her idols? 


Syria appears to be ransacked prior to the invasion of Israel. Reminds me of the Dan 11 battles between the king of the north and the king of the south. The Assyrian seems be slashing his way thru the middle east on the way to the final battle with Israel. Isa 10:9 list places in Syria that he defeated prior to his conquest of Israel.

Isa 17:1  The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.

Since Israel is the last battle Damascus is destroyed prior to Israel being attacked as indicated in the scriptures above. Interesting how you have always felt the Kurds are involved, David. Perhaps Turkeys pursuit of the Kurds ravages Syria and Israel somehow gets involved. I get a subtle sense from the Dan 11 battle series that Israel just happens to be in the way of the AC's other pursuits at the time...perhaps the Kurds.

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:15 am

Seeker wrote:
Syria appears to be ransacked prior to the invasion of Israel. Reminds me of the Dan 11 battles between the king of the north and the king of the south. The Assyrian seems be slashing his way thru the middle east on the way to the final battle with Israel. Isa 10:9 list places in Syria that he defeated prior to his conquest of Israel.

Isa 17:1  The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.

Since Israel is the last battle Damascus is destroyed prior to Israel being attacked as indicated in the scriptures above. Interesting how you have always felt the Kurds are involved, David. Perhaps Turkeys pursuit of the Kurds ravages Syria and Israel somehow gets involved. I get a subtle sense from the Dan 11 battle series that Israel just happens to be in the way of the AC's other pursuits at the time...perhaps the Kurds.

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Hi Seeker. Remember, isis is not dead, just hidden under another title. Some of course have been made examples of for the purpose of PR, and because they could not accept the ruling authorities that are coming about. So munch going on right now, confusing as to who is actually in charge, maybe many in various areas. US troops are still in Syria, guarding the oil in the south. Russia and Iran in collusion in teh north, Assad troops in collusion also. As for the Kurds, they are about 20 plus million people, but they are tribes amongst tribes, so hard to break out of the mix. I believe it will take a unifying force to quell their uprisings, as they still desire their own nation/country. I am uncertain how this will come about, just certain it must.

About isis, recall how rapidly they were able to take over the parts of Syria and Iraq. In Ezekiel 38:15 there is a word used that is translated as horsemen/chariots. The word used is 'cuwc', which brings some confusion as to how horses can be used in this day and age. However, the actual meaning is different from the present translation. Here it is as it is meant to be understood I believe....


'Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
swallow, swift
horse
chariot horses

Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
סוּס çûwç, soos; or סֻס çuç; from an unused root meaning to skip (properly, for joy); a horse (as leaping); also a swallow (from its rapid flight):—crane, horse (-back, -hoof). Compare H6571'....

If you've ever seen a swallow fly, they flit about covering a bunch of ground easily, circling back and forth seemingly with a joyful flight. This is how isis took the ground they took, with none to stop them as they were overwhelming, riding in their chariots/trucks all around and through the countryside. This is the method that will be used to conquer all of the land of Syria and Israel. Many of these will be isis members still, different title, but I consider them to be the 'wild beasts of the earth', mentioned in other Scripture that I cannot now recall. They are monstrous human beings who ravage innocent people wherever they are sent. Surely demons are involved, as I cannot picture anything else that could take the hearts and minds of so men to do these things.

Well anyway, times certainly are interesting. I pray daily for peace for Israel and our world. I wonder if there will be 'peace and security' for the ME and Israel, this phrase meant to mean 'convert to islam or die'. Aslim Taslim, I posted about this true meaning years ago now of the 'peace and security' spoken of when the final destruction is upon those living in darkness.

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:01 am

Turkey: Former PM and Erdogan ally launches new party
Ahmet Davutoglu announces new political party, a move dismissed as a non-threat by president's supporters.
by Andrew Wilks & Murat Yildiz 19 minutes ago

Ankara, Turkey - Turkey's former Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu has launched a new political party in a challenge to the 17-year rule of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's Justice and Development Party (AK Party).

Davutoglu, who served as prime minister and AK Party chairman from 2014 to 2016, unveiled the Future Party at a news conference in Ankara on Friday, a move dismissed as a non-threat by the president's supporters.

Snip... Another former AK Party cabinet member, Ali Babacan, quit two months earlier and is expected to announce his own rival party within weeks....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:43 am

Senate Passes Armenia Genocide Measure, Ignoring White House Objections
December 12, 20195:52 PM ET

The Senate passed a resolution Thursday formally recognizing the mass killings of more than 1 million Armenians in Turkey that took place a century ago.

The measure, approved without objection, is seen as a stinging rebuke to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. It also comes over numerous objections from the Trump administration, which has been working to defuse tensions with the Turkish leader in recent months.

Turkey has condemned the move and said it has put the relationship between the two nations at risk....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:52 am

Turkish legislators to sign off on Libya military support deal
Tripoli could request vehicles, equipment and weapons for use in army, navy and air operations as well as intelligence.
2 hours ago

Turkey moved closer to military support for Libya's internationally-recognised government when a bilateral deal was sent to Parliament that includes provisions for launching a "quick reaction force" - if requested by Tripoli.

Late last month, Ankara and Tripoli signed an expanded security and military accord and, separately, a memorandum on maritime boundaries that Greece said violates international law.

While the maritime accord has been sent to the United Nations for approval, the military deal has been presented to Turkey's parliament.

"Parliament will enter it into force after approval," Minister of Foreign Affairs Mevlut Cavusoglu said on Sunday....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:05 am

DECEMBER 15, 2019 / 11:50 AM / UPDATED 19 HOURS AGO
Turkey could close Incirlik air base in face of U.S. threats: Erdogan

ISTANBUL (Reuters) - Turkey could shut down its Incirlik air base, which hosts U.S. nuclear warheads, in response to threats of U.S. sanctions and a separate U.S. Senate resolution that recognized mass killings of Armenians a century ago as genocide, President Tayyip Erdogan said on Sunday.

“If it is necessary for us to take such a step, of course we have the authority ... If this is necessary, together with our delegations, we will close down Incirlik if necessary,” Erdogan said on A Haber TV....

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**** Also threatening to recognize American genocide of Native Americans. D. ****

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Tue Dec 17, 2019 7:22 am

Erdogan urges resettling of 1 million refugees in northern Syria
Turkish president says formula needed to allow refugees to return on a voluntary basis but in 'short period of time'.
2 hours ago

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has called for the resettlement of one million Syrian refugees in a "peace zone" in the northern part of their homeland - on a voluntary basis but in "a very short period of time".

"We need to find a formula to allow refugees ... who travelled to Turkey to be resettled in their motherland," Erdogan, whose country hosts 3.7 million Syrian refugees, told the Global Forum on Refugees in Geneva on Tuesday.

Housing and schools could be set up in the zone, where some 371,000 Syrian refugees have already returned since Turkish military operations to clear the area of "terrorist organisations", he said, naming the armed group ISIL (ISIS) and the Syrian-Kurdish People's Protection Units (YPG) and Turkey-based PKK....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:12 am

Trump says Armenia massacres were not genocide, directly contradicting Congress
17 December 2019

The Trump administration has said it does not consider the mass killings of Armenians in 1915 to be a genocide, contradicting a unanimous vote by the US Senate.

The historic vote last week incensed Turkey, which has always denied that the killings amounted to a genocide.

Turkey's foreign ministry on Friday summoned the US ambassador to express its anger over the vote, accusing the US of "politicising history".

Armenia says 1.5 million were killed in an effort to wipe out the ethnic group.

The killings took place in the waning days of the Ottoman Empire, the forerunner of modern-day Turkey.

"The position of the administration has not changed," said State Department spokeswoman Morgan Ortagus in a statement on Tuesday. "Our views are reflected in the president's definitive statement on this issue from last April," she said....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Seeker on Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:38 pm

Interesting series of articles David. Closure of Incirlik could literally paralyze the US in the middle east. Turkey has the largest army in the middle east. The air force base was a huge resource during the Gulf Wars for the US. Turkey could literally cut off the US in the middle east and stand as the dominant army of the middle east. I believe that is why the US president stepped out of line with the Senate trying to soften the language. If Turkey were to step off the Western bus and form it's own alliance with regional neighbors it would be a force to be reckoned with for sure. Logistics are the biggest problem in most wars. Without Incirlik the US would be basically stuck with operations out of Saudi Arabia with no Northern base to squeeze middle east players both from a northern and southern front.

Another interesting fact is that Egypt has the second largest standing army in the middle east.

Dan 11:40  And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over. 
Dan 11:41  He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon. 
Dan 11:42  He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape. 
Dan 11:43  But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.
 

At the time of the end the AC invades and conquers Egypt.

Dan 11:43  But he shall have powerH4910 over the treasuresH4362 of goldH2091 and of silver,H3701 and over allH3605 the precious thingsH2530 of Egypt:H4714 and the LibyansH3864 and the EthiopiansH3569 shall be at his steps.H4703 

H4703
מִצְעָד
mits‛âd
mits-awd'
From H6805; a step; figuratively companionship: - going, step.
Total KJV occurrences: 3

It appears that Libya and Ethiopia will be companions in this campaign. This alliance between Turkey and Libya definitely requires close monitoring for sure.

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Thu Dec 19, 2019 6:31 am

The US has other bases in the ME, notably Doha Qatar, Dubai, and the UAE. As does Turkey, especially in Qatar with a 5000 man unit and airfield. RE Egypt, Turkey has good relations with Libya now, and has had great relations with Ethiopia, with an annual investment of around $3 billion, biggest employer there. Much ado about the dam being built on the Nile in Ethiopia, water flow could be cut off at any time ruining Egypt's food production for a while. Ducks are getting in a row there, other issues are at hand.

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Thu Dec 19, 2019 6:33 am

Turkey's East-West Carpet Trading
by Burak Bekdil December 19, 2019 at 4:30 am

In addition, Turkey is in talks with Russia to purchase a second batch of the S-400 system, including coproduction and technology transfer options. If the S-400 system is operated in Turkey, Moscow could find a built-in cyber backdoor to spy on NATO assets.

Turkey's Islamist strongman, President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, said in September that it was unacceptable for Turkey not to have its own nuclear weapons – although Turkey is a signatory to both the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty.

In 2016, Erdoğan said that Turkey did not need to join the European Union "at all costs" and could instead become part of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation, a security bloc dominated by China, Russia and Central Asian nations

Erdoğan thinks that he can forever benefit from the East-West divide by officially belonging to West but more-than-courting the East. He seems to love playing the Russia card to Americans and the America card to Russians. He should be led to understand that he cannot play this carpet trading game forever....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Seeker on Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:09 am

Hi David,

The US has other bases in the ME, notably Doha Qatar, Dubai, and the UAE.


Yes but they are all southern bases. Without the northern base in Turkey everything would have had to come from the south in the Gulf War. A two front war forces your opponent to split his forces so without the northern base the US would have had a much harder time in Iraq. Iraq barely had a military compared to Turkey. So if Turkey was the northern opponent it would be very difficult to out flank them. Losing Turkeys air force base would be a major blow to future middle east conflicts from the West's perspective. And indeed we know that will eventually happen since Gog hails from Turkey region. The former USSR states are to the north of Turkey protecting it's northern front allowing Turkey to pour everything it has in a southern direction. So I feel Turkey staying or leaving NATO is a key pivotal point to the Gog set up. Again modern alliances reinforcing ancient biblical writings.

Thanks for bringing up the water flow in the Euphrates. That will be straight off the pages of scripture when it happens and has been seemingly impossible until the modern era.

Rev 16:12  And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. 
Rev 16:13  And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 
Rev 16:14  For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. 
Rev 16:15  Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. 
Rev 16:16  And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. 


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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Seeker on Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:17 am

Turkey's Islamist strongman, President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, said in September that it was unacceptable for Turkey not to have its own nuclear weapons – although Turkey is a signatory to both the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty.


I have always wondered if Turkey could somehow take control of the USA nukes on its territory. With the advanced cyber war techniques who knows....Nuclear Turkey would be alarming to me at least.

It’s time to get US nukes out of Turkey
Steven PiferTuesday, November 5, 2019

"US.-Turkish relations have plunged to a new nadir. In the past month, a senior Republican senator has suggested suspending Turkey’s membership in the NATO alliance, while the secretary of state implied a readiness to use military force against America’s wayward ally. In these circumstances, U.S. nuclear weapons have no business in Turkey. It is time to bring them home.".........

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-fr ... of-turkey/

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