David, I purposely did not go on to Daniel 9:27 because I know who the insolent one is who makes a solemn covenant with many but I focused on the interlocking time periods between Daniel 8:9-17 and 9:26b and how they both end as described in Isaiah 24:21-22.
As regards to the ending of the sacrificing for the transgressions of the nation of Israel, that was prophesied in Daniel 9:24 and completely fulfilled by the end of the fourth age of mankind/the end of the second age of the Israelite Nation as Christ's first advent occurred during the first 33 years of the third age of the Israelite Nation during which time He offered God's light yoke of redemption through repentance for their idolatrous rebellion against God, to the nation in the place of the heavy yoke that the Israelite Nation would be under during the next two ages when the visitation of their idolatrous iniquities would come upon them, i.e. during the 3rd and the 4th ages of their existence as a people/nation.
We also know that Christ's death on the Cross was a fulfilment of Daniel 9:24, with the full 70 weeks of years being used up in this one verse prophecy.
Now David in Daniel 9:25 it also speaks of two time periods, i.e. firstly 7 weeks of years, and then secondly a period of 62 weeks of years, when the Temple will be built up again but in a troubled,
i.e. idolatrous, times. Daniel 9:25 is also completely fulfilled.
Now Daniel 9:26a speaks about the death of an anointed one, which we have come to understand as being the Messiah, and we are told that He will then have nothing after his death, i.e. He will at this time not be given any dominion to exercise over the peoples of the earth as is also foretold in Daniel 7:13-14. At the time Christ's death on the cross, He does not become the Saviour/Messiah of the Israelite Nation. It is still in our near future to be fulfilled. Paul in Romans 11:25-26 tells us that this will happen when the fullness in time of the prophecy over the Heathen Gentiles as contained in Daniel 8:9-17 is fulfilled after which all of Israel will be saved. Daniel 9:26b also overlays the last 2,000 or so years of the Daniel 8:9-17 prophecy over the Heathen Gentiles.
Now with regards to your post: -
Exit40 wrote:Hi Jay. No I am not linking the Scriptures in this way. You are pointing out they 'are' linked, which indeed they are, so thank you for their mention. Consider within that section Daniel 8:11-12, in particular the portion I have bolded and underlined ...
Dan 8:1 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
Dan 8:12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
Yes David, but English translation gives a slant that is misleading. The
prince of the host should read according to the Brown-Driver-Briggs (Reference
http://biblehub.com/hebrew/8269.htm ), they suggests that this is a reference to GOD and not to Christ as you are suggesting. Consider the following Quote: -
Daniel 8:8-12: - 8 Therefore the male goat grew very great; but when he became strong, the large horn was broken, and in place of it four notable ones came up toward the four winds of heaven. 9 And out of one of them came a little horn which grew exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east, and toward the Glorious Land. 10 And it grew up to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and some of the stars to the ground, and trampled them. 11 He even exalted himself as high as the Prince of the host; and by him {the little horn} the daily sacrifices were taken away, and the place of His {God's} sanctuary was cast down. 12 Because of transgression, an army was given over to the horn to oppose the daily sacrifices; and he cast truth down to the ground. He did all this and prospered.
You know the story, the history of what happened, and have many sources to show us you are correct in their interpretations.
David that is true and it can take me many hours of reflection and research on what other people write to frame a rebuttal.
But this I know, the following statement does not line up with the above scriptures:-
If you agree that is what these Scriptures state in Daniel 8:11 and their reference to chapter 9:26, then can you see it is Christ who is the Prince who is to come, it is His people the Jews who corrupted the Temple and Sanctuary and crucified Him in the midst of the last week, and then can you see in Daniel 9:27 it is Christ who confirms the Covenant for one week, that it is Christ who causes the sacrifice and oblation to cease by His own personal Sacrifice in the midst of the last week, His being 'cut off' ? And further, that it is Christ who makes 'it', the Temple Mount, desolate by reason of corruption and transgression of the people, even unto the consummation of the time period required by the Law ? . . .
I believe you stated you agree with at least a portion of this, and if so it becomes easy to see the rest of it.
David, the portion I was in agreement with your post was your suggestion that "corruption" could have been used instead of "destroy" because it is our "corruption" of God's Word that destroys us.
This is the conjecture of Shorttrib, and that there is no full one week remaining to be completed with its purported Temple and peace treaty/covenant with an insolent one to be broken in the middle. Rather only the last half remains as it is Christ Himself Who is the subject of the first half from the point of His Anointing at His Baptism until the ending of His three and one half years of His Ministry to His people the Jews which began precisely, concurrently at the beginning of the final seventieth week, with His being cut off in the midst, the precise middle point of that last week, that by His Crucifixion He confirmed the Covenant of God with His people as the Perfect Lamb of God, the Promised Messiah of the Covenant. Consider there is no break in time between the sixty ninth week and the seventieth week, that presently we are still within the midst of that last week with the break in time occurring at Christ's Crucifixion, and which will begin again at the AOD and will proceed for three and one half years from there.
Yes David, I know that this is ST conjecture/position and your explanation has not swayed me to change my mind.
Ii is the "little horn" of Daniel 8 as quoted above who is the prince/ruler of the people to come and it is this wicked fallen heavenly host who destroys Jerusalem and the Sanctuary by exercising his dominion over the people who came to Jerusalem and the Temple Sanctuary to destroy it.
Now the little horn has his place in heaven among the "Host of Heaven" and he and all of the other wicked fallen heavenly host will be judged in our near future in heaven and cast down to the earth to be imprisoned in the abyss to await their time of punishment.
Now you are right to link the "prince/ruler" of the people who came to destroy Jerusalem and the Sanctuary with the "he" in Daniel 9:27a as the one who enters into a solemn covenant with many, but there is a time gap of 1,000 years between when the war in heaven will be over and the little horn is imprisoned in the Abyss/bottomless pit and when he is released and is able to communicate the words of this solemn covenant that he will enter into with many people.
Daniel 9:24 covers what God required Christ to do and fulfil during His first advent. It is just a happy coincidence that the length of Christ's ministry after He turned 30 is of the order of three and a half years. That from my understanding of what ST writes, is ST's justification for his claim that the insolent one, the little horn, in Daniel 9:27a is instead a reference to "Christ."
St claims that he wants the truth out there, but his words and his posts do not support his stated intent.
Now if people can present a well reasoned justification that my view is "wrong" or in error, then I am more than willing to admit my error on consideration of that post and if "wrong" desist posting on or about the End Times.
But David, this reply to your post is now a tad to long and I should allow time for readers to be able to digest what I have already posted.
Shalom
PS - Apologies aaron, but until we know the time frame of when Daniel 9:27a will occur, any discussion on the "content" of the covenant mentioned in this portion of the verse is only conjecture on our part and will not be edifying for the greater Body of Christ. Sadly, many "theories" exist as to when Daniel 9:27a will occur/has occurred, so in my mind it will not be resolved completely for a number years yet. To put a number on it, let us say 50 years or so if we can understand the signs revealed by then.
oh, I forgot to mention this....
please.
can we get off this subject now and just let the thread return to it's original direction. 