Antichrist & Beast Empire: Western or Islamic??

[Tex]

Antichrist and Beast Empire: Western or Islamic??

Specific resons why? What are your thoughts?

[Douggg]

Antichrist and Beast Empire: Western or Islamic??

Specific resons why? What are your thoughts?

The beast in Revelation 13 is a man, not an existing religion, who declares himself as god... which eliminates his Empire being Islamic, right there. Islam does not accept a man as god.

Islam is a false religion and is one (of a multitude) of the daughters of the Mother of Harlots, Mystery Babylon. The Harlots are false religions.

Islam as a religion will basically be destroyed when God by supernatural means discredits Islam when God destroys their armies in Gog/Magog.... leaving millions of muslims bewildered, disillusioned, with a shattered faith. Right after Gog/Magog, the Antichrist will appear in Israel, as will the two witnesses. So some of the disillusioned muslims will become Christians embracing the testimony of the two witnesses, while others will eventually become irreversible antichrists by taking the 666, or the name of the beast, or his mark.

Like in Daniel 7, where the beasts represent kingdoms and kings (Daniel 7:17) and a king, the beast in Revelation 17 also represents both a kingdom, a king, and kings.

The king represented by the beast of Revelation 17, is the eighth sequential king of that empire. The ten kings are also of that empire, but are not past history. They are alive today (maybe not as kings yet). The ten kings rule with the beast, the eighth king, and are of his empire. Daniel 2, identifies only 4 empires. The fourth is obviously the Roman Empire.

So the beast, the single king, has to come out of the Roman Empire nations. Well, the Roman Empire did include the muslim nations of the middle east. What eliminates them from being the end times Roman Empire?

The reason is because the middle east nations never made up the Holy Roman Empire. The woman in Revelation 17 is powerful because she rides that beast which not only signifies the Antichrist but his empire. The woman is the RCC associated with the city of seven hills.

The Roman Empire originated in Rome, not Mecca. The woman in Revelation 17 sits on seven hills - that is Rome. The woman rides upon the beast (the Antichrist) who will emerge from the Holy Roman Empire (the empire of the beast has ten crowns - the ten kings that rule concurrent with the Antichrist), made so by when the Holy Roman Empire was formed when Charlesmagne coerced Leo V to declare him as Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire. Under that arrangement, of the Kings of Europe being in bed with the Catholic church (the immoral relation that the whore had with the kings of the earth), it has survived to this very day in defacto form. The Antichrist will come out amongst ten kings of the Holy Roman Empire area - i.e Europe, i.e. the west.

Doug L.

[IamtheWalrus]

Lots of info back and forth on this subject

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[IamtheWalrus]

Douggg,

You are in error on your assumption that beasts represent a king. The text does say that in verse 17, but in order to understand the context of the entire chapter, you must read it thoroughly, which I am sure you have, but missed one very important message.
Kings here are kingdoms in the context of Dan 7:17. Compare Dan 7:23; and the "fourth kingdom"; Dan 2:38, 8:20-22 . Each of these four kings represents a dynasty. Nebuchadnezzar, Alexander, Antiochus, and the supposed end-time ruler, though individually referred to, are representatives of their characteristic tendencies.
The great beasts are great kings and their kingdoms, great monarchs and their monarchies, which shall arise out of the earth, as those beasts did out of the sea. They are but terraefilii that is, from beneath. They savour of the earth, and their foundation is in the dust. They are of the earth, and they are written in the dust, and to the dust they shall return.

[Douggg]

Douggg,

You are in error on your assumption that beasts represent a king. The text does say that in verse 17, but in order to understand the context of the entire chapter, you must read it thoroughly, which I am sure you have, but missed one very important message.
Kings here are kingdoms in the context of Dan 7:17. Compare Dan 7:23; and the "fourth kingdom"; Dan 2:38, 8:20-22 . Each of these four kings represents a dynasty. Nebuchadnezzar, Alexander, Antiochus, and the supposed end-time ruler, though individually referred to, are representatives of their characteristic tendencies.
The great beasts are great kings and their kingdoms, great monarchs and their monarchies, which shall arise out of the earth, as those beasts did out of the sea. They are but terraefilii that is, from beneath. They savour of the earth, and their foundation is in the dust. They are of the earth, and they are written in the dust, and to the dust they shall return.

Hi Ken, well I said that the beast represent both kingdoms and kings. The little horn is the king that we are concerned with. If his kingdom is comprised of ten other kings - then why are not those the toes of iron and clay?

I think they are.

The fourth empire of the statue dream was the roman empire. And who was king of the Roman Empire in it's heyday?
Caesar... since you said the "four kings represent a dynasty". Well, I have been saying that the five fallen in Revelation 17 were Julius Caesar, Agustus Caesar, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, with the sixth being Nero. They were all of the Julio-Claudian dynasty (the Caesars). Nero was the last of that clan, according to RomanEmperors.org. And Revelation 17 says the eighth king will be "of" the other 7 - which to me indicates he will be of that Caesar family bloodline. And Daniel 9:26-27 indicates that the Antichrist will be of the people who destroyed the temple and city. Which reinforces the Roman connection.

But the clay and iron gets intermixed because the Roman Empire became the "Holy Roman Empire" which is defacto what we have today in Europe - with the European politicians catering to the Vatican - not that they really like it. Tony Blair, for example, converted to Catholicism. The woman in Revelation 17 resides on seven mountains, which the Vatican is associated with Rome - the city of the seven hills... and the name is the "Roman" Catholic Church. The woman is dressed in scarlet and purple.... the scarlet for the Cardinals and purple for the Bishops.

Keep in mind that Revelation 17:1 talks about the judgment of the whore... 1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: That certainly fits the RCC which is present in every nation. And the RCC in its traditions, theology, and symbolism has borrowed from Babylon.

Although I don't think that the RCC is Mystery Babylon the mother.... but one of many daughters of Mystery Babylon the Great, which I believe is the antithesis of the heavenly Zion. The antithesis being Satan's principality that we wrestle against..Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Well, there is another thread, that links to an audio (Future Quake radio website, Peter Goodgame) about Nimrod - theorizing that the original Babylonian king ,resurrected, being the Antichrist, the Assyrian.... I don't know. Could be - Satan's man - at the start of civilization right after the flood.

Doug L.

[dolfseal]

Seven Hills -
I am starting to think the seven hills represent the continents of the world. The elite basically own the world now. When a global financial and political system are enacted, no one on earth will be able to fight it. Remember, the final kingdom is like none other. Satan's kingdom is the entire planet, and when he succeeds in setting up a system that no one can fight, he wins (in his eyes anyway). That is when God will have to step in and call it "Game over".
Babylon was the uniting of everyone, which means no individual had the freedom to worship the real God. Mystery Babylon will be the world system and perhaps the headquarters will be taken out, that is when the merchants of the world will stand off in a distance and weep.

[IamtheWalrus]

Folks,

Mountains are empires.

Rev 17:9 And here [is] the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Heads = mountains = empires

This prophecy has nothing to do with actual geographic mountains.

[PeteWaldo]

I agree with walrus:

Jer 51:25 Behold, I [am] against thee, O destroying mountain, saith the LORD, which destroyest all the earth: and I will stretch out mine hand upon thee, and roll thee down from the rocks, and will make thee a burnt mountain.

The following is a matter of historical record, with considerable agreement in part:






Previous "five are fallen".
"one is" (the Roman Empire as John wrote)

"not yet come" (as John wrote - the Roman Empire fell to Islam in 639AD)

Islamic First Jihad "wounded to death" in the battle of Tours France in 732AD
Healed by western wealth transfer, the Islamic Second Jihad is the image of the First Jihad
Jihad is the pinnacle of worship in Islam.
SECOND ISLAMIC JIHAD

[PeteWaldo]

Antichrist and Beast Empire: Western or Islamic??

Specific resons why? What are your thoughts?

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[Douggg]

[quote="PeteWaldo"]Pete, what does your post Gog/Magog Islamic map look like?

In Ezekiel 39:4 it talks about the birds and beasts feeding upon the remains of Gog's army. And the verses continue to discuss the Gog/Magog destruction all the way through to the city in Ezekiel 39:16 that will spring up where Gog's army got obilterated. In between Ezekiel 39:4 and 39:16 it talks about the seven years following the destruction of Gog's army, burning the remains as fuel. And about the seven months it takes to bury the dead.

Now, here is what is real strange - in 39:17 it talks AGAIN about the birds and beasts have a great feast eating the flesh of princes and mighty men. But this time it doesn't say anything about Gog's army. But 39:17 sounds almost exactly like Revelation 19:17 !!!!!! Why so? Because 39:17 is at the end of the 7 years, and is the same feast as in Revelation 19:17. The feast on Gog's armies, on the other hand, is found in Ezekiel 39:4, 7 years prior.

So that means that Gog/Magog's destruction takes place right before the 7 years of Daniel 9:26-27.

Islam is not going to produce the Antichrist because the Islamic nations making up Gog/Magog will be destroyed... right before the confirming of the covenant for 7 years.

Doug L.

[IamtheWalrus]

The feast of Eze 39 is on Gog's armies. Read the chapter again.

[Douggg]

The feast of Eze 39 is on Gog's armies. Read the chapter again.

"The feast" of Eze 39? Wake up brother Ken, with that morning cup of coffee. You read again. Plus my post... There are TWO FEASTS in Ezekiel 39.

Ezekiel 39:4 is about feasting on Gog's army. Ezekiel 39:17 is about the feast at the end of the seven years, the same feast as in Revelation 19:17.

Gog is obiterated, and the seven years of the tribulation period begins right afterwards. At the end of the seven years there is the feast of Ezekiel 39:17 which is the same feast as in Revelation 19:17.

The last mention of the Gog/Magog episode is in Ezekiel 39:16. The remainder of the Chapter is about God bringing the Jews to accept that Jesus is Lord during the tribulation period. Ezekiel 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD. that happens during the tribulation period when they accept Jesus as their messiah.

Doug L.

[IamtheWalrus]

Eze 39:17 And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, [even] a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.


Eze 39:18 Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.

This=feast is on Gog's armies.

[Douggg]

Eze 39:17 And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, [even] a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.


Eze 39:18 Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.

This=feast is on Gog's armies.

Doesn't say so.

In verses Ezekiel 39:9-16, God finalizes the aftermath of the Gog/Magog invasion. Then in Ezekiel 39:17, God issues Ezekiel a new prophecy, a feast that comes after the seven years of burning Gog's implements as fuel, and after the 7 months of burying the dead, and after the town of Hamonah springing up.

Timelinewise, there will be the invasion of Gog/Magog, the feast on Gog's army in Ezekiel 39:4, the seven years of burning Gog's implements as fuel; the first 7 months of which, the dead of Gog's army are buried, and the town of Hamonah springing up during the initial part of the 7 years, when everyone is euphoric that incognito the Antichrist
is believed to be their messiah, and they think that they have entered the messiah reign. When they say peace and safely at last - then sudden destruction will come up on them.

At the end of those 7 years, then the prophecy of Ezekiel 39:17 takes place.

Doug L.

[IamtheWalrus]

Did you miss the preceding verse?

Eze 39:15 And the passengers [that] pass through the land, when [any] seeth a man's bone, then shall he set up a sign by it, till the buriers have buried it in the valley of Hamongog.

This feast is on the carcasses that are left decomposing in the earth.

[Douggg]

Did you miss the preceding verse?

Eze 39:15 And the passengers [that] pass through the land, when [any] seeth a man's bone, then shall he set up a sign by it, till the buriers have buried it in the valley of Hamongog.

This feast is on the carcasses that are left decomposing in the earth.

Ken, read that verse again in context...

12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.

13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD.

14 And they shall sever out men of continual employment, passing through the land to bury with the passengers those that remain upon the face of the earth, to cleanse it: after the end of seven months shall they search.

15 And the passengers that pass through the land, when any seeth a man's BONE, then shall he set up a sign by it, till the buriers have buried it in the valley of Hamongog

The birds and beasts of Ezekiel 39:4 have already picked the carcusses clean of any flesh over that seven month period. All that is left AFTER THE END OF THE SEVEN MONTHS (Ezekiel 39:14) in Ezekiel 39:15 for those who pass through at the end of the 7 months is BONES. There is no flesh to feed upon. When anyone sees a BONE(s), they alert the buriers in Ezekiel 39:15 who are going to be burying BONES.

The burying of the bodies with flesh remaining intact begins immediately after the destruction of Gog's army. The burying is found in Ezekiel 39:12-13. It takes seven months. The birds and beasts have their feast over the seven months, as the burying process is taking place, they eat upon the corpses until only BONES are left at the end of the seven months.

After that 7 months, and after the 7 years, the feast in Ezekiel 39:17 is a completely different feast. God is calling on the birds and beasts to a new feast. That comes at the end of those 7 years, which are the same seven years of the tribulation period. There will be plenty of Armageddon flesh for the birds and beasts to feed upon then.

Doug L.

[IamtheWalrus]

What scripture on Ezekiel do you have to prove these two feasts?

Eze 39:12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.

They are burying Gog's armies. A curve ball for you....why does Israel burn their weapons, just prior to Armageddon...they aren't, this is the beginning of the Millennium, consistent with Revelation. There is peace now.

Eze 39:13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury [them]; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD.

Everyone buries them.

Eze 39:14 And they shall sever out men of continual employment, passing through the land to bury with the passengers those that remain upon the face of the earth, to cleanse it: after the end of seven months shall they search.

There isn't enough people to bury everyone, so they need help...ie: passengers.

Eze 39:15 And the passengers [that] pass through the land, when [any] seeth a man's bone, then shall he set up a sign by it, till the buriers have buried it in the valley of Hamongog.

So the passengers help bury them.

Eze 39:16 And also the name of the city [shall be] Hamonah. Thus shall they cleanse the land.

Hamonah = "multitudes" - the name of a city to be founded to commemorate the defeat of Gog.

Eze 39:17 And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, [even] a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.

The bodies still can't be buried, so God calls out for the supper.

Eze 39:18 Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.

And the feast is on.

[Douggg]

What scripture on Ezekiel do you have to prove these two feasts?

Eze 39:12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.

There are two separate feasts. One for Gog/Magog. The other for Armageddon.

The first feast identified in Ezekiel 39:4 is for the carcasses of Gog's army. The destruction occurs and Israel
spends 7 months burying the dead, and as that processes is going on, the birds and beasts are feeding on the carcasses. By the end of the 7 months, all of the dead have been buried, and the only thing littering the land will be the bones left from the feeding birds and beasts. So in Ezekiel 39:14-15, at the end of those seven months, anytime someone happens upon the bones, the special burial team comes and buries those bones - so that the entire land is cleaned. I thought I had explained that pretty well in my previous post.

In Ezekiel 39:17 God gives Ezekiel a new prophecy, this time calling upon the birds and beasts to another feast.
That one will be at Armageddon, athough it doesn't say Armageddon in the text, but we can know that the 39:17 feast is the Armageddon feast simply by comparing the language of 39:17 with Revelation 19:17. The feast of Ezekiel 39:17 comes at the end of the seven years, and after the seven months. The seven months take place right at the beginning of the seven years.

The Antichrist will show in Israel, immediately after Gog's destruction while the burial of Gog's army is going on, and will confirm the convenant of 7 years with many at that time.

They are burying Gog's armies. A curve ball for you....why does Israel burn their weapons, just prior to Armageddon...they aren't, this is the beginning of the Millennium, consistent with Revelation. There is peace now.

They burn the weapons INSTEAD OF WOOD. It is a matter of fuel, energy. Not disarmament.

39:10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord GOD.

Wood was used for cooking and warmth... that's why they cut down the trees in the forests, and gathered sticks and downfall in the fields. When it says (paraphrased) instead of wood, they will burn the weapons with fire... a person cannot burn steel for fire... but persons can burn the diesel in the fuel tanks of the trucks, tanks, artillery, and all sorts of mechanized war machinery that will be used in the attack. The diesel can run generators, heat dwellings, etc... During the first half of the seven years, even under the Antichrist's reign, Israel will be using the diesel fuel for their energy needs. During the second half when the Jews are hiding out in the hills, they will be scavaging the fuel from the remanent Gog/Magog vehicles scattered throughout Israel, to be able to survive during that time.

Eze 39:13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury [them]; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD. Everyone buries them.

Eze 39:14 And they shall sever out men of continual employment, passing through the land to bury with the passengers those that remain upon the face of the earth, to cleanse it: after the end of seven months shall they search.

There isn't enough people to bury everyone, so they need help...ie: passengers.

The burying of the dead carcasses will be completed in seven months. What is left, after the end of the seven months, littering the land, is all the bones that the birds and beasts picked clean from their feast.
All verse 14 is saying is that they have a special team of men, who will be employed full time to take care of burying those bones, whenever "passers", which could be anyone, come across any of those bones, that they notify the buriers who will bury the bones. Probably the buriers will collect the bones and take them to a special burial site called the valley of Hamongog. Read the verse you quoted below...

Eze 39:15 And the passengers [that] pass through the land, when [any] seeth a man's bone, then shall he set up a sign by it, till the buriers have buried it in the valley of Hamongog.

So the passengers help bury them.

The passengers set a flag for the full time employed buriers to bury the BONE(s). There is no flesh upon the BONES.

Eze 39:16 And also the name of the city [shall be] Hamonah. Thus shall they cleanse the land.

Hamonah = "multitudes" - the name of a city to be founded to commemorate the defeat of Gog.

That ends Gog/Magog.

Eze 39:17 And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, [even] a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.

The bodies still can't be buried, so God calls out for the supper.

you are really grasping at straws, Ken.

The bodies of Gog's armies are all buried in 7 months. What is not buried over that 7 month period, the birds and beasts have eaten, over that 7 months, the flesh from the carcasses, leaving only the bones. That is why there are only BONES scattered through the land left in 39:15 to bury. BONES, BONES, BONES, BONES, BONES, BONES, BONES..... THAT IS ALL THAT IS LEFT TO BE BURIED IN EZEKIEL 39:15 AT THE END OF THE SEVEN MONTHS. The cleaning of the land of the carcasses and bones of Gog's army ends in 39:16.

39:17-20 is a different feast that comes at end of the 7 years of burning Gog's weapons (as a subsitute for wood). 39:17-20 is the Armageddon feast of Revelation 19:17.

Ken, I think it is going to take some time to soak in.....I am probably upsetting your end-times apple cart, so I am getting a lot of resistance. Just give it some time to think about.

Doug L.

[IamtheWalrus]

39:4 states that the feast is going to take place, and later on in the chapter it takes place. First there is an announcement of the specifics to the prophecy, then it becomes a reality. Pretty plain to me. No scriptural gymnastics.

[jgilberAZ]

Pretty plain to me. No scriptural gymnastics.

I agree.

It's much easier to read the scriptures and accept what they plainly say when you aren't trying to desperately cling to a preconceived notion about what they are supposed to say.

There is nothing in the text to support interjecting a time lapse between verses 16 and 17.

39:4 You shall fall upon the mountains of Israel, you and all your troops and the peoples who are with you; I will give you to birds of prey of every sort and to the beasts of the field to be devoured.

39:17 "And as for you, son of man, thus says the Lord GOD, 'Speak to every sort of bird and to every beast of the field: "Assemble yourselves and come; Gather together from all sides to My sacrificial meal Which I am sacrificing for you, A great sacrificial meal on the mountains of Israel, That you may eat flesh and drink blood.

Looks like the same feast to me, Douggg.


- Jeff

[Douggg]

Pretty plain to me. No scriptural gymnastics.

I agree.

It's much easier to read the scriptures and accept what they plainly say when you aren't trying to desperately cling to a preconceived notion about what they are supposed to say.

There is nothing in the text to support interjecting a time lapse between verses 16 and 17.

39:4 You shall fall upon the mountains of Israel, you and all your troops and the peoples who are with you; I will give you to birds of prey of every sort and to the beasts of the field to be devoured.

39:17 "And as for you, son of man, thus says the Lord GOD, 'Speak to every sort of bird and to every beast of the field: "Assemble yourselves and come; Gather together from all sides to My sacrificial meal Which I am sacrificing for you, A great sacrificial meal on the mountains of Israel, That you may eat flesh and drink blood.

Looks like the same feast to me, Douggg.


- Jeff

Hi Jeff.

If a person just had Ezekiel 39:1-16 to read, the understanding of the defeat and burial of Gog's army and cleansing of the land would be perfectly understood if only those verses were available.

The gymnastics are when a person reads Ezekiel 39 and the burial of Gog's army and the burial of the bones, which is all that is left from the birds and beasts eating the flesh off of, and that complete process completed as said in Ezekiel 39:16 .... to think the feast in Ezekiel 39:17-20 is a repeat of the same feast.

It cannot be the same feast because the birds and beasts have already eaten the flesh of Gog's army down to the bone during the SEVEN MONTHS. That's why they have AT THE END OF THE SEVEN MONTHS the team of fully employed men to go around collect and bury the "bones" littering the land in Ezekiel 39:14-16. Ezekiel 39:14 And they shall sever out men of continual employment, passing through the land to bury with the passengers those that remain upon the face of the earth, to cleanse it: after the end of seven months shall they search. 15 And the passengers that pass through the land, when any seeth a man's bone, then shall he set up a sign by it, till the buriers have buried it in the valley of Hamongog. 16 And also the name of the city shall be Hamonah. Thus shall they cleanse the land.


There is no repeat mention of the 7 years, nor the 7 months, nor the burial of Gog's army, nor the collection and burial of the bones, nor the cleansing of the land - in the Ezekiel 39:17-20 feast, nor afterwards, if you are thinking God is just repeating Himself in Ezekiel 39:17-20. He is not. Ezekiel 39:17-20 is a different feast coming at the end of the seven years that are established in Ezekiel 39:9-10. It is the same feast as Revelation 19:17-18.

There is nothing in the text to support interjecting a time lapse between verses 16 and 17.

Yes there is. The 7 years and the 7 months have been given in the preceding verses. There is nothing that says when the 7 months occure within the 7 years, but it would be totally irrational to think that the 7 months would take place anytime except at the start of the 7 years. In verse 16, the seven months have passed. In verse 17, it doesn't say "at the end of the 7 years", because both the 7 years and the 7 months have already been established.

Gog/Magog leads directly into the seven year tribulation period. Which by Gog/Magog, the Islamic empire will be destroyed pre-trib and will not be the kingdom of the Antichrist.

Doug L.

[IamtheWalrus]

Douggg,

You are mistaken my friend. The burial begin in verse 11, and the feast in 17

Eze 39:4 Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that [is] with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and [to] the beasts of the field to be devoured.

Eze 39:5 Thou shalt fall upon the open field: for I have spoken [it], saith the Lord GOD.

So wait...here in verse 5 they are falling on the field, but as you say in verse 4, the feast is carried out.
Douggg, the two in verse 4 and 17 referrs to the same feast.

[Douggg]

Douggg,

You are mistaken my friend. The burial begin in verse 11, and the feast in 17

Eze 39:4 Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that [is] with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and [to] the beasts of the field to be devoured.

Eze 39:5 Thou shalt fall upon the open field: for I have spoken [it], saith the Lord GOD.

So wait...here in verse 5 they are falling on the field, but as you say in verse 4, the feast is carried out.
Douggg, the two in verse 4 and 17 referrs to the same feast.

Ken, the Gog/Magog feast has already taken place before verse 17. That's why there are only bones to be buried in 39:14-15. Haven't you ever seen pictures of carcasses after vultures have picked them clean? All that is left is bones....after they have feasted.

If you were going to depict the Islamic Jihad Empire right after Gog/Magog on a map, which of Pete's 8 maps a few posts above would most describ that empire?

Doug L.

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During his homily, Francis warned the new cardinals against falling into corruption or using their new rank for personal advancement, saying that their new title, “Eminence,” doesn’t mean they should drift from their people.

His comments reflected Francis’ constant complaint about the arrogance of the clerical class, as well as his current battles to fight corruption in the Vatican hierarchy.

“Let’s think of so many types of corruption in the life of the priesthood,” Francis told the new cardinals, deviating from his prepared text. If they think of themselves so grandly, “you won’t be pastors close to the people, you’ll just be ‘Eminence.’ And if you feel this way, you’ll have strayed off the road," the pope warned.

The ceremony, known as a consistory, is the seventh of Francis’ pontificate and once again reflected the Argentine pope’s effort to name cardinals from places that have never had them before or whose service to the church he wants to highlight. Nine are under age 80 and eligible to vote in a conclave to elect a new pope, further solidifying the majority of Francis-appointed, voting-age prelates in the College of Cardinals.

I would say that he "owns this group" having appointed well over half...

More of a little reminder...