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SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby El Gallo on Sat Oct 25, 2008 12:05 am

Remember that God’s ways are both perfect, and mysterious. I can not recall any prophecy of the Messiah and End Times which has transpired exactly as people have expected. Yet, each time, the fulfillment is both perfect, and surprising. So then should we not look for the AC? No, I think we just have to keep our minds open, and put the puzzle together slowly.

The mainstream eschatologists expect a European Antichrist (AC). The man of the hour is of course Javier Solana. But I have to disagree. He is a fairly frail and uninspiring man, a fixer who might be preparing that famous 666 seat for someone else. Moreover, the EU does not look like a dominating world power. The EU wallows in the mediocrity of being militarily weak and pacifist. It is a second-rate power, beset by socialism, and being inundated by a Muslim tide. Well then, any other candidates?

Many of us look for a Muslim AC from the Middle East. I believe that is much closer to the truth. Walid Shoebat and Joel Richardson explain why in God’s War on Terror. Not least is the fact that the Bible calls him the “Assyrian.” But the Bible also calls him “Pharaoh” and also associates him with Babylon. Accordingly, there is indeed an argument he will be from the Middle East, but these different names may mean something more generic. Rather, I believe he could easily be someone whom the Middle Easterners revere and follow, though he is not Middle Eastern; specifically, I mean a great Muslim.

Now, who would Middle Eastern Muslims follow who was not a Middle Easterner, since the Arabic and Persian Muslims are famously chauvinistic? Well, first, since it is clear he will strike a deal between Arab and Jew, he will have to be someone Arab, Persian, and Jew all trust. Critically, it is someone the Arabs trust, because of what he says to them. This someone will have to convince them to let the Jews build a Temple, which he will then promise to desecrate. It will likely be on the Temple Mount. Still, how on earth would they allow it?

Remember the Muslim doctrine of takiya, or lying to gain leverage until the time of conquest over the infidel. This person will have to not only win the trust of the Jews, but the Temple issue is so difficult that Muslims must also believe he is their messiah, the Mahdi. Only he, I believe could be so powerful and compelling so as to convince them to allow the unallowable – a Jewish Temple on the Mount.

Even the Mahdi though, in my view, can only do this by invoking takiya; i.e., letting the Muslims know he, within seven years, will destroy the Jews, then turn their Temple into a beautiful mosque. Is such a conversion of a Jewish building possible? Yes; all over Europe churches and old synagogues are becoming mosques, and from the beginning of Islam, this has been the case. Witness the beautiful central church in Constantinople, the Hagia Sophia. It became the Muslim central mosque when Constantinople became Istanbul after the Muslim Ottomans conquered it.

Now Joel Richardson (very reasonably) thinks the AC will be Turkish, because the Jews see Turkey as the only trustworthy Muslim country. Yes, this is quite possible. The wrench in the works, though, is that Turkey is steadily becoming more anti-Jewish and radical Islamic. Would the Jews trust that? It is debatable.

Well, who would the Jews in Israel trust then? The answer may lie in another place, where most of the Jewish population not living in Israel lives: the United States. As usual, the Jewish vote in the U.S. is nearly all for the Democratic Party candidate, who this time is Barack Hussein Obama (BHO).

They really like him. He is a luke warm “Christian” by profession, which makes the Jews comfortable, as many, if not most, do not care for evangelical Christians. Moreover he is a social liberal, who closely tracks with the prevailing liberal views among most Israelis. But where is the Muslim connection, and how could he be the AC?

The Muslim connection is that both his father and step father were Muslim. It seems quite possible BHO was not born in Hawaii, as claimed, but in Kenya, with his father’s Muslim family. The BHO people have refused to turn over his original birth certificate, which is currently the object of a federal law suit. Why not? Why not just produce it and make the embarrassing law suit go away? Perhaps because the Hawaiian certificate would be clearly a forgery. Now, once he is President, then he will be able to put that issue to bed one way or the other, considering he will be the most powerful man in the world.

Consider also that his roommates in college were Muslim, and he followed them to that Islamist hot bed of Pakistan, for a “vacation.” (And with whose money, since he was supposed to be so poor?) Until he went on vacation, he was “Barry.” After he came back, he was “Barack.”

Barack in Arabic means “blessed.” Barack Obama was originally named “Baraka.” It is not an African name. It's an Arabic word meaning “blessed” and comes directly from the Koran. (Hussein is the name of Mohammed’s grandchild, and means “handsome or lovely one”, and Obama in Swahili – an Arabic derivative name from the days of slave traders populating the area – means “bent or crooked one.”)

There is more. As a sitting senator, he campaigned vigorously for his second cousin, Odinga, in Kenya. Odinga is a radical Islamist, who has lead violent attacks against the Christian tribes in Kenya, after seizing power (he lost that election Obama participated in). Until this violent man of Obama’s clan came along, Kenya had been an island of tranquility in a sea of African violence. No more.

Obama’s money man and mentor in Chicago is a Muslim, and in his biography BHO said if things got ugly in America against Muslims, he would side with them. Again and again, we see that Obama is partial to Islam, though the media strains mightily to hide it. There is even contested evidence that he speaks Arabic.

Now then, could a Muslim be such a closet believer? Yes, such duplicity as this is a mainstream belief in Islam, so long as it is necessary and for Allah’s glory. Would not the chance of becoming the most powerful man in the world be a fine reason to hide his religion?

And so if you have a closet Muslim become President, what does he inherit vis-à-vis the Mideast? First, he inherits from President Bush a major troop presence in Iraq, and a stunningly massive “embassy” complex in Baghdad. The “embassy” tells me we have big, long range plans in this place, a place which any troop who has been there will tell you is an unappealing, sweltering h---hole. But as a base of Mideast power, for launching a “peacekeeping” corps into Palestine, and for controlling the Euphrates, the prophetic gate to Israel, it is excellent

But what about Israel? He would also inherit a very mature “peace process” and an Israel nearly desperate to finally stop the tension and warfare. This is especially true if the peace maker could prevail on those Muslim messiah-philes in Iran to be nice. The Israelis must worry constantly of Iranian nukes. Who, they ask, will teach the Muslims peace? How about a charismatic, liberal American President, who has the world at his feet, and for some unexplainable reason, had most all Muslim leaders acclaim him right after he had a closed-door meeting with them in Turkey?

Next there is the matter of the second Abomination which causes Desolation (AOD), which Jesus indicated would be the clear signal of who the AC will be. Recall in Revelation 2:13 that the provincial city of Pergamum is called the “seat, or throne, of Satan.” That phrase seems odd there, almost a non sequiter. But perhaps God was providing an acid test of the AC for us.

Pergamum was famous for its Temple to Zeus. Christian scholars of Greek mythology believe Zeus is an “analog”, or another name, for Satan. This temple was the foremost temple to Zeus in the former Greek empire, and built by the local king, Eumenes II. Eumenes was a mentor to none other than Antiochus IV Epiphanes; yes, the very Seleucid king who committed the first AOD by erecting a statue of Zeus in the Temple and slaying a pig on the alter in honor of . . . Zeus.

Antiochus was the son of the Seleucid king defeated by the Romans as their empire spread to the Mideast. He was a Parthian (Iranian), and ambitious. After his father’s defeat, being an opportunist, Antiochus went to Rome, seeking permission to take his father's throne. The area he wanted to rule included Jerusalem. Yet the Roman Senate did not trust him, and said no.

But Antiochus was not so easily deterred, and went to Pergamum to bide his time. There he met Eumenes, who was building his soon-to-be famous Temple to Zeus. Eumenes became Antiochus’ sponsor, as Antiochus built his influence and power, until the Roman Senate relented and made him Seleucid king of the Syrian area. While in Pergamum Antiochus no doubt worshipped often at the Zeus temple. He was known for his zealous evangelism for Zeus worship, and who knows what spiritual infestation occurred there?

He was not only a worshiper of the Zeus cult, but a brutal man, who so enraged the Jews, that they rebelled. He defeated them temporarily, and during that time, committed the AOD.

Fast forward about 2000 years. The German archeologists are in Pergamum. They approach the Muslim Ottoman rulers with a proposal to buy this old pagan temple to Zeus, and move it to Berlin. As we know, Muslims are not fans of any culture but Islam, and quickly assented. Thus the German spirited (sorry) the entire temple to Berlin, where they built a massive museum in the 1880’s, restored the Temple and rebuilt it right in the museum. It became quite famous and an icon of Greek architecture, recognized by educated people around the world.

Fast forward again about 50 years. A young Austrian art aficionado named Adolph Hitler must have been especially enamored of it. Or at least his first propaganda minister (when Hitler gained power), Albert Speer, was. Because he and Hitler determined to put on the most grandiose political theater in history, and the Temple played a central role. What followed were the infamous Nuremburg speeches, which were immortalized in the propaganda film “Triumph of the Will.”

Hitler gave a series of mesmerizing speeches to the assembled masses. It was a coming out party of a sort, where the world realized this was no ordinary politician. He seemed imbued with an almost hypnotic ability to say nothing in particular, but in a way which enraptured the youth. And he did it while speaking from a replica of Berlin’s most famous ancient museum piece: The Temple of Pergamum, aka The Temple of Zeus, aka The Throne of Satan.

Startlingly, Hitler was both a fanatical hater of Jews, and an ardent admirer of Islam. He felt Islam had a wonderful martial air to it, and rued the day that Charles Martel and General Sobieski, about 1000 years apart, twice stopped the Muslims from over running Europe. He felt the Arabs were clearly inferior to the Germanic peoples, and that, if the Germanic/Aryan people could have been marinated in Islam, they would have been much stronger, and so Islam would have been stronger.

By the way, Hitler’s special guest in Berlin throughout WWII was the Mufti of Jerusalem, who shared Hitler’s loathing of the Jews, and later nurtured a young Palestinian who came to call himself Yasser Arafat.

Fast forward about another 75 years. Another fascinating and charismatic young politician, who mesmerizes huge German crowds with rousing speeches, is in Berlin. His name is Barack Hussein Obama. Obama does something no American Presidential candidate has ever done, which is give major foreign policy speeches abroad. His largest, most triumphant speech is in Berlin where adoring youthful crowds, representing much of Europe, listen raptly as he says, well, nothing. But he does it so well.

So did BHO visit the Museum of the Temple of Pergamum in Berlin while he was there? Presumably he did. As his hosts showed off their city, surly they must have taken him to their famous museum. Did he see it? If so, did he receive any spiritual signals, or any power, or any anointing from the Throne of Satan, like perhaps Hitler and Antiochus before him? We do not know.

What we do know was that BHO, came back to nail down the Democratic nomination for President in Denver, Colorado. There he made a bold, or some said arrogant, decision to accept his party’s nomination in a massive football stadium, hoping to fill it with up with 100,000 fans. The numbers were unprecedented for an American political speech, except for him. This young rock star politician seemed able to conjure up crowds that size at will.

However, even his staunch supporters felt uneasy that the stage he demanded to speak from was rather un-American and pretentious. He wanted to give a speech from a replica of a Greek building! Jokes about him wearing a toga ensued, but he pressed on.

As photos of its construction were spread around the Internet, a Christian author and blogger named Joel Richardson gained some instant notoriety across the Internet by demonstrating that this building was a dead ringer for the Temple at Pergamum. The BHO people made some weak excuses that it represented the U.S. capitol and White House West Wing combined. But expert scholars agreed with Richardson; it was a replica of the Temple of Pergamum.

So, curiously, Obama chose to deliver his rousing political coming-out speech to the assembled, mostly youthful, masses from a replica of the Throne of Satan, just like Hitler had done many decades ago. Of course the oblivious U.S. media had no idea, and wrote Richardson off as a nut, as their hero – a man certain people across the United States were openly calling a messiah – hurtled toward his date with destiny.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby Salty Skipper on Sat Oct 25, 2008 12:52 am

Well written El Gallo. I think that we can all agree that the next few months and years are going to be interesting. I agree that the fulfillments of scripture, as shown in the Bible, are rarely at all the way people expect them. I agree that the EU leaders are ho-hum on the world scene. Obama seems to have the attention of the whole world. It's going to be interesting to see how this all plays out. Food for thought. Oh, by the way, I scooted your post around a couple of times because I couldn't figure where to put it. Figured this would be a good place for it so as to allow for scriptural examination and such. I just couldn't leave it in the news section because there is no link. Thanks!
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby brett on Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:16 am

Yes very interesting.

I'm taking the wait and see approach. Obama has many questionable qualities, but I'm still uncertain as to who the AC will be.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby c.alt on Sun Oct 26, 2008 3:05 am

El Gallo,
Could you give more info on this closed door meeting in Turkey? Somehow I missed that.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby Mr Baldy on Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:05 am

When considering who the Antichrist is, I keep in mind what Herb said. Although he never said Solana was the Antichrist, he did mention something that keeps me going right back to the facts. Herb mentioned the "roadsigns".

So far, no matter what theories, or ideas one might have about who the Antichrist is, the evidence, or "roadsigns" still points to one man in my opinion. And that's Solana.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby ilovejesus2 on Sun Oct 26, 2008 6:41 am

I am leaning toward Obama heavily

I think Obama, Sarkozy, and Solana - in that order... all are contenders for a/c

and the "man of sin" is about to be revealed

The Lord has given me strength to begin talking about this with family and friends...

I've just gone ahead and "said it" to my grandma and others - I've even posted on some blogs as such

Surprisingly, much to my relief, I'm not getting a lot of "back talk"...

So now I feel a little empowered! Ha!

Anyway, my reasons for Obama:

1. he disregards the desire of women
2. he is a flaterrer
3. he honors a different god than his fathers - a strange god -
4. he thinks way too highly of himself - declaring himself, honoring himself
5. his perchant for lawlessness
6. he is wicked
7. he comes in peaceably
8. the number of his name - 18 letters - 666
9. his muslim/assyrian etc, heritage

And if you need a link, El Gallo - to get this topic into the "big time" - more eye catching categories
There was a editorial in the New York Sun (I know, it's a bit of a tabloid - but funny, now it's pretty true!) this last summer regarding Obama as a/c

A friend emailed it to me and I shrugged it off at the time.

What a joke!

She was right, and I was wrong.

I emailed her back 2 weeks ago and apologized and said - the article from the Sun was right on, spot on...

If you can find it, maybe you'll have the link you need..
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby Stillwatch on Sun Oct 26, 2008 7:02 am

I think this was on this thread yesterday. I did bookmark the link, anyway.

Perhaps, some groups may [now or later] equate Obama with the ancient prophecy of al-Mahdi.

It is very interesting to see the comparison.



...rather than "seeing the light" some people think he "is the light!"

A redistribution of wealth is familial to an aspect of the al Mahdi prophecy.

Obama "I think when you spread the wealth around it's good for everybody"

Some people speak of Obama as a messiah-type figure; perhaps in comparison to the

Islamic prophecy revealed in the al-Mahdi:

--he will appear suddenly on the world scene with a voice from the skies and a cloud moving above his head; of the family name

"Husain." He will appear as a handsome young man, dressed in neat clothes and emanating the fragrance of paradise. ...

The chest and face of man will appear in the centre of the sun, who will be recognized by his standing and genealogy.

His forehead will be radiant, and his nose prominent, black piercing eyes and a broad chest...upon his

face is a mole. He will be born in the early 1960's. His face will glow with love and kindness for the human beings...

Heavenly light and justice accompany him. --He will redistribute wealth and establish the global government

of peace, justice and equity.



Interestingly, by comparison, the time-line for the emergence of the al-Mahdi is

about to unfold around or near the end of 2007/2008: "...Hereafter...The rule of the

white race terminates at the 16,000th (7,000th) year and that year is the beginning

of the Black nation's rule again"

...the U.S. capitol will surrender to Islam.


http://www.lampholderpub.com/America%20 ... oversy.htm
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby burien1 on Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:07 am

It looks like all the posts from yesterday disappeared. So I`ll post this again:

It looks like there are people in this country looking for someone to worship;
http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/ [ warning: this may make you ill ]

This site came up while doing research on George Soros, who is definitely someone to watch. [ Thanks pegmo, for pointing him out. ]


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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby Tex on Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:41 am

Amazing coincidences indeed! Here's more...

Biden said there will be a world crisis within 6 months after electing Obama (Powell said it too)--the Antichrist will face a world crisis (a big war) as he enters the scene (Daniel 11:22). Obama would come to power with most African-Americans supporting him (still a minority)--the Antichrist will come to power with a "small people" (Daniel 11:23). Obama is supporting a "global tax" and wants to raise taxes to "spread the wealth around"--the first thing the Antichrist will do after this world crisis and as he begins to rise to power is "spread the wealth around" (Daniel 11:24)

But how does he come up among 10 kings?
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby Tex on Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:52 am

Here's even more coincidences!!...

Obama stood in Berlin, Germany and told the crowd of Germans, "...I'm the one we've (world) been waiting for" and "...I'm a Citizen of the world" Hitler in essence said..."I'm the one we've (world) been waiting for." (Many think the versuses in Daniel 11 leading up to Vs 21 which then transitions into the rise of the Antichrist was actually fulfilled by Hitler, a forerunner to AC). Obama stood in the land of Hitler when he said these things. Many have said Obama is the "Messiah" and Rush even mocks him with that label. Obama never refutes this claim, McCain did. He's said, "Messiah is above my paygrade.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby Vigilantius on Sun Oct 26, 2008 11:03 am

ilovejesus2 wrote:I am leaning toward Obama heavily

I think Obama, Sarkozy, and Solana - in that order... all are contenders for a/c

and the "man of sin" is about to be revealed

The Lord has given me strength to begin talking about this with family and friends...

I've just gone ahead and "said it" to my grandma and others - I've even posted on some blogs as such

Surprisingly, much to my relief, I'm not getting a lot of "back talk"...

So now I feel a little empowered! Ha!

Anyway, my reasons for Obama:

1. he disregards the desire of women
2. he is a flaterrer
3. he honors a different god than his fathers - a strange god -
4. he thinks way too highly of himself - declaring himself, honoring himself
5. his perchant for lawlessness
6. he is wicked
7. he comes in peaceably
8. the number of his name - 18 letters - 666
9. his muslim/assyrian etc, heritage

And if you need a link, El Gallo - to get this topic into the "big time" - more eye catching categories
There was a editorial in the New York Sun (I know, it's a bit of a tabloid - but funny, now it's pretty true!) this last summer regarding Obama as a/c

A friend emailed it to me and I shrugged it off at the time.

What a joke!

She was right, and I was wrong.

I emailed her back 2 weeks ago and apologized and said - the article from the Sun was right on, spot on...

If you can find it, maybe you'll have the link you need..


Reasons 1-2 and 4-7 can describe just about any politician or any regular person for that matter.
Reason 3... who is the god of his fathers? Allah? If he is still a muslim as some suspect, then reason 3 is null.
Reason 8 ...is that how we are supposed to calculate 666? Three separate 6's? The name has to total up to Six Hundred and Sixty Six. 18 does not equal 666.
Reason 9... muslim maybe, but the prophecy does not say muslim. Assyrian? Do we have any proof of that? Muslim does not necessarily mean Assyrian.

Sorry, I'm not trying to jump on you. It's just that these reasons look a little flimsy. That's all.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby Salty Skipper on Sun Oct 26, 2008 11:18 am

burien1 wrote:It looks like all the posts from yesterday disappeared. So I`ll post this again:

It looks like there are people in this country looking for someone to worship;
http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/ [ warning: this may make you ill ]

This site came up while doing research on George Soros, who is definitely someone to watch. [ Thanks pegmo, for pointing him out. ]


:roll:


Yeah, there were some technical issues and most of what was posted on Saturday is missing. Y'all pray for the protection of the board. There needs to be a light in the darkness telling people to watch!
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby Tex on Sun Oct 26, 2008 11:55 am

COINCIDENCES OF ANTICHRIST’S RISE TO POWER WITH OBAMA’S POTENTIAL RISE TO POWER:

Biden said there will be a world crisis within 6 months after electing Obama (Powell said it too)--the Antichrist will face a world crisis (a big war) as he enters the scene (Daniel 11:22). Obama would come to power with most minorities supporting him--the Antichrist will come to power with a "small people" (Daniel 11:23). Obama is supporting a "global tax" and wants to raise taxes to "spread the wealth around"--the first thing the Antichrist will do after this world crisis and as he begins to rise to power is "spread the wealth around" (Daniel 11:24)

Obama stood in Berlin, Germany and told the crowd of Germans, "...I'm the ONE we've (world) been waiting for" and "...I'm a Citizen of the world" Hitler in essence said..."I'm the ONE we've (world) been waiting for." (Many think the viruses in Daniel 11 leading up to Vs 21 which then transitions into the rise of the Antichrist was actually fulfilled by Hitler, a forerunner to AC). Obama stood in the land of Hitler when he said these things. Many have said Obama is the "Messiah" and Rush even mocks him with that label. Obama never refutes this claim, McCain did. He's said, "Messiah is above my paygrade.”
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby Salty Skipper on Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:08 pm

That is the most freakish thing of all to me..that Obama does not say, 'hey listen folks, I'm not the messiah. That's silly.' Any God fearing Christian would not allow such things to be said. Even a backslidden luke warm Christian. If you don't believe it, Obama, stand up and say so.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby Mr Dan on Sun Oct 26, 2008 1:02 pm

Im going with none of the above.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby Abiding in His Word on Sun Oct 26, 2008 1:07 pm

Salty Skipper wrote:That is the most freakish thing of all to me..that Obama does not say, 'hey listen folks, I'm not the messiah. That's silly.' Any God fearing Christian would not allow such things to be said. Even a backslidden luke warm Christian. If you don't believe it, Obama, stand up and say so.


I did hear him say "contrary to rumors that I was born in a manger...." at the Alfred Smith charity roast that was televised. If you google it, you can watch the video.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby Tex on Sun Oct 26, 2008 1:25 pm

He may have disavowed that he was "born in a manger", but he hasn't disavowed that he is the "Messiah".
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby OneDay on Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:27 pm

Wow! ElGallo, I believe you are on to something! Thank you for that information. That makes so much sense! :shock:
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby Believer on Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:57 pm

http://www.forbes.com/opinions/2008/10/ ... aheri.html

Is Barack Obama the "promised warrior" coming to help the Hidden Imam of Shiite Muslims conquer the world?

The question has made the rounds in Iran since last month, when a pro-government Web site published a Hadith (or tradition) from a Shiite text of the 17th century. The tradition comes from Bahar al-Anvar (meaning Oceans of Light) by Mullah Majlisi, a magnum opus in 132 volumes and the basis of modern Shiite Islam.

According to the tradition, Imam Ali Ibn Abi-Talib (the prophet's cousin and son-in-law) prophesied that at the End of Times and just before the return of the Mahdi, the Ultimate Saviour, a "tall black man will assume the reins of government in the West." Commanding "the strongest army on earth," the new ruler in the West will carry "a clear sign" from the third imam, whose name was Hussein Ibn Ali. The tradition concludes: "Shiites should have no doubt that he is with us."

In a curious coincidence Obama's first and second names--Barack Hussein--mean "the blessing of Hussein" in Arabic and Persian. His family name, Obama, written in the Persian alphabet, reads O Ba Ma, which means "he is with us," the magic formula in Majlisi's tradition.

Mystical reasons aside, the Khomeinist establishment sees Obama's rise as another sign of the West's decline and the triumph of Islam. Obama's promise to seek unconditional talks with the Islamic Republic is cited as a sign that the U.S. is ready to admit defeat. Obama's position could mean abandoning three resolutions passed by the United Nations Security Council setting conditions that Iran should meet to avoid sanctions. Seeking unconditional talks with the Khomeinists also means an admission of moral equivalence between the U.S. and the Islamic Republic. It would imply an end to the description by the U.S. of the regime as a "systematic violator of human rights."

Obama has abandoned claims by all U.S. administrations in the past 30 years that Iran is "a state sponsor of terrorism." Instead, he uses the term "violent groups" to describe Iran-financed outfits such as Hamas and Hezbollah.

Obama has also promised to attend a summit of the Organization of the Islamic Conference within the first 100 days of his presidency. Such a move would please the mullahs, who have always demanded that Islam be treated differently, and that Muslim nations act as a bloc in dealings with Infidel nations.

Obama's election would boost President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's chances of winning a second term next June. Ahmadinejad's entourage claim that his "steadfastness in resisting the American Great Satan" was a factor in helping Obama defeat "hardliners" such as Hillary Clinton and, later, it hopes, John McCain.

"President Ahmadinejad has taught Americans a lesson," says Hassan Abbasi, a "strategic adviser" to the Iranian president. "This is why they are now choosing someone who understands Iran's power." The Iranian leader's entourage also point out that Obama copied his campaign slogan "Yes, We Can" from Ahmadinejad's "We Can," used four years ago.

A number of Khomeinist officials have indicated their preference for Obama over McCain, who is regarded as an "enemy of Islam." A Foreign Ministry spokesman says Iran does not wish to dictate the choice of the Americans but finds Obama "a better choice for everyone." Ali Larijani, Speaker of the Islamic Majlis, Iran's ersatz parliament, has gone further by saying the Islamic Republic "prefers to see Barack Obama in the White House" next year.

Tehran's penchant for Obama, reflected in the official media, increased when the Illinois senator chose Joseph Biden as his vice-presidential running mate. Biden was an early supporter of the Khomeinist revolution in 1978-1979 and, for the past 30 years, has been a consistent advocate of recognizing the Islamic Republic as a regional power. He has close ties with Khomeinist lobbyists in the U.S. and has always voted against sanctions on Iran.

Ahmadinejad has described the U.S. as a "sunset" (ofuli) power as opposed to Islam, which he says is a "sunrise" (toluee) power. Last summer, he inaugurated an international conference called World Without America--attended by anti-Americans from all over the world, including the U.S.

Seen from Tehran, Obama's election would demoralize the U.S. armed forces by casting doubt on their victories in Iraq and Afghanistan, if not actually transforming them into defeat. American retreat from the Middle East under Obama would enable the Islamic Republic to pursue hegemony of the region. Tehran is especially interested in dominating Iraq, thus consolidating a new position that extends its power to the Mediterranean through Syria and Lebanon.

During the World Without America conference, several speakers speculated that Obama would show "understanding of Muslim grievances" with regard to Palestine. Ahmadinejad hopes to persuade a future President Obama to adopt the "Iranian solution for Palestine," which aims at creating a single state in which Jews would quickly become a minority.

Judging by anecdotal evidence and the buzz among Iranian bloggers, while the ruling Khomeinists favor Obama, the mass of Iranians regard (and dislike) the Democrat candidate as an appeaser of the mullahs. Iran, along with Israel, is the only country in the Middle East where the United States remains popular. An Obama presidency, perceived as friendly to the oppressive regime in Tehran, may change that.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby Mttw633 on Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:22 am

Good find, Believer. That article says it all. :faint:
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby OBXBob on Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:58 am

Very interesting question! The events of late have made many watchers take notice, I'd imagine!

There are a few passages in the Bible regarding the A/C though that do not seem to match a President of the United States as the A/C. I'm not saying they 'can't' be speaking of this; however, it seems unlikely....

1) The A/C appears to be so heavily allied with the 10 horns / kingdoms that he will actually come from among them...


Daniel 7:7. After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
8. I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Revelation 17:
12. And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

14. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
15. And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
16. And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
17. For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.


While it is surely possible that the 10 kings (such as the WEU?) would share their power and give their strength to the President of the U.S., it seems more likely this power would be given to the 'president' or ruler of the 10, such as a Mr. Europe or a 'President''like position over Europe.

2) The second set of passages that seem to indicate the A/C will spend much, much 'personal' time in the Israel, seemingly located there (with permanence) and appears to even 'possibly' be present during the Battle of Armageddon... again, this is not a place or role that one would 'typically' see the President of the United States filling.

Daniel 11:

40. And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
41. He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
42. He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
43. But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.
44. But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.
45. And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.


Revelation 19:

18. That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
19. And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20. And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21. And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.


With that said, I can definitely see the President of the United States, perhaps also England, Canada, and Australia, being referenced in this passage...essentially not lifting a finger to help Israel...but likely coming up with some nice, flowery words to condemn (via a U.N. Resolution, for example), condemning the attack in Israel...

Ezekiel 38:

11. And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,
12. To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.
13. Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?
14. Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord God; In that day when My people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it?


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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby WhiteH2OWoman on Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:57 am

I'm leaning towards Obama being the AC, or at least the FP, myself...He's just coming on so strong, out of nowhere, and inspiring a LITERAL cult following...and is so clearly evil and self-centered.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby burch13 on Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:49 pm

1. he disregards the desire of women
2. he is a flaterrer
3. he honors a different god than his fathers - a strange god -
4. he thinks way too highly of himself - declaring himself, honoring himself
5. his perchant for lawlessness
6. he is wicked
7. he comes in peaceably
8. the number of his name - 18 letters - 666
9. his muslim/assyrian etc, heritage


How can you fit: he disregards the desire of women?? Just a question, I don't think this one fits. Have you seen this guy's wife she seems cold and calculating. I would even say that he (Obama) is hen-pecked to a certain degree.

My theory has always been that the A/C will either be homosexual or born of some sort of a virgin birth, test-tube etc..,. Satan's Son Of Lawlessness will mimick Jesus to the last detail. The A/C will fulfill the old testament Jewish prophecies, so closely that Truth and delusion will almost seem the same.

One more thing, IF Obama is elected. The paragraph below will describe the U.S. even more than it describes the EU. Obama is a pacifist, socialist, and probably a communist with a little "c." The guy is product of a weak system, the only thing that he is good at is lying.

The mainstream eschatologists expect a European Antichrist (AC). The man of the hour is of course Javier Solana. But I have to disagree. He is a fairly frail and uninspiring man, a fixer who might be preparing that famous 666 seat for someone else. Moreover, the EU does not look like a dominating world power. The EU wallows in the mediocrity of being militarily weak and pacifist. It is a second-rate power, beset by socialism, and being inundated by a Muslim tide. Well then, any other candidates?


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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby PraiseHim on Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:56 pm

I never thought of that burch13, interesting, I'll be watching, maybe Obama is gay but he is in the closet like all his friends and ideology.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby Tex on Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:32 pm

To a Berlin, Germany audience he (the anointed one) said, "I'm THE ONE we've (world) been waiting for." "I am a Citizen of the World."
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby Tex on Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:34 pm

OK, maybe he was just a little over zealous. He's inexperienced you know. Perhaps he doesn't mean what he says.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby curiousgirl on Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:58 pm

Looking at the context of Daniel 11:37 in which the "desire of women" is located, it seems very obvious to me that this is not referring to "desire FOR women" but the "desire OF women" -- and who was the "desire OF women"? The Messiah. All Jewish women desired to give birth to the Messiah, it was their greatest desire. And the context is speaking of gods the AC will regard, "Neither shall he regard the gods of his fathers; and neither the desire of women, NOR ANY GOD...." hence the desire of women is a god, in fact Christ himself. This has nothing to do with homosexuality, IMHO. And Barak Obama has no regard for He who is/was desired by all Jewish women, the Messiah, Jesus Christ. Is he the AC? I don't know, we won't know until the AOD, but he certainly fits the context of this verse, as do others, so.... we shall see.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby Final Trumpet on Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:50 pm

curiousgirl wrote:Looking at the context of Daniel 11:37 in which the "desire of women" is located, it seems very obvious to me that this is not referring to "desire FOR women" but the "desire OF women" -- and who was the "desire OF women"? The Messiah. All Jewish women desired to give birth to the Messiah, it was their greatest desire. And the context is speaking of gods the AC will regard, "Neither shall he regard the gods of his fathers; and neither the desire of women, NOR ANY GOD...." hence the desire of women is a god, in fact Christ himself. This has nothing to do with homosexuality, IMHO. And Barak Obama has no regard for He who is/was desired by all Jewish women, the Messiah, Jesus Christ. Is he the AC? I don't know, we won't know until the AOD, but he certainly fits the context of this verse, as do others, so.... we shall see.


Exactly. It is due to our modern society and its perversity that many cannot see the "desire of women" past the concept of homosexuality. When you actually study those passages it seems quite clear from the context that it is talking about the messiah (Jesus).
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby burch13 on Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:05 pm

Looking at the context of Daniel 11:37 in which the "desire of women" is located, it seems very obvious to me that this is not referring to "desire FOR women" but the "desire OF women" -- and who was the "desire OF women"? The Messiah. All Jewish women desired to give birth to the Messiah, it was their greatest desire. And the context is speaking of gods the AC will regard, "Neither shall he regard the gods of his fathers; and neither the desire of women, NOR ANY GOD...." hence the desire of women is a god, in fact Christ himself. This has nothing to do with homosexuality, IMHO. And Barak Obama has no regard for He who is/was desired by all Jewish women, the Messiah, Jesus Christ. Is he the AC? I don't know, we won't know until the AOD, but he certainly fits the context of this verse, as do others, so.... we shall see.


Ok, I am sure that this actually might get this thread moved to the debate area, but I need some proof that the desire of women (jewish) or otherwise was to give birth to the messiah.

In doing a little research I came up with two different versions of this scripture one in the NIV and one in the KJV. But both seem to point to either some sort of unnatural lust, having no need for compassion, one text even hints at the possibility of barbarism, since barbarians are usually thought of as cruel, cold, and heartless. The opposites of these are usually emotions that a woman exhibits, and most men learn from their mothers.

I believe that it has something to do with the complete and utter disregard for women and this could be displayed in many aspects of this particular person's lifestyle, or up-bringing.

As to Final Trumpet's comments, From my POV Homosexuality is not new and it is not something that only happens in our current system or society. It has been around for a very long time. My views are not really blinded by my perception of or the concept of homosexuality. I think that if we really consider homosexuality to be an "abomonation" then it would be at least prudent to consider it in this context. The "son of lawlessness" will have all kinds of views and lusts that will be un-Godly.

On one other note, I also do not believe that the A/C will be dark skinned. Unless Jesus was.

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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby TexasBeliever on Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:56 pm

Wouldn't it be something if the "one" the Muslims are waiting for turned out to be the next leader of the free world? That will certainly change the political and religious landscape of the earth.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby 1whowaits on Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:29 pm

Perhaps something else to consider, there may be more than one end time leader that attacks Israel. A case can be made that there are 2 endtime major leaders, Gog and the AC. Scripture does point out similarities between the 2 but also significant differences that cannot be resolved, Gog is killed and buried in a mass grave while the AC is captured and cast alive into the Lake of Fire.

And it is Gog that is associated with the muslims, Gog leads a limited group of mainly muslim nations against Israel while the AC gathers all the nations of the world against Jerusalem. Also the actions of the AC described in Dan 11 (setting himself over all gods, including allah, not knowing the god of forces) would be inconsistent with him being a muslim.

We may be witnessing the rise of Gog rather than the AC. Because Gog appears to arrive on the world scene prior to the AC, Gog may appear to be the AC, which may be Satan's intention in order to decieve. When Gog is killed, it may be assumed that the AC has been disposed of and the one that follows could be more readily accepted. And if Gog is used by Satan, Gog may have many charateristics similar to those of the AC to further the deception.

We need to be aware that there is the possibilty that there may be more than one individual that appears to be 'the one'.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby El Gallo on Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:37 pm

Back from a lovely trip north of Santa Barbara. California's government and common culture can be loathsome, but the state’s geography is a magnificent example of the LORD's creative work!

Anyway, as to Obama's "meeting" with Muslim leaders in my post, I did it a one sitting, since we were heading off on our trip, so the editing is weak. The meeting is postulated; i.e., a projected future event to illustrate the possibilities. Sorry for that segue issue.

As to the "desire of women," another POV is from Shoebat, who believes this points to the Muslim nature of the AC. His view is that Islam has always diminished the role of women, much more so than one would have found even in Jewish culture at the time Jesus began his ministry.

A remarkable thing of Jesus' ministry, and Paul after him, was the prominent role women had. It was never radical for the time, but it was prominent and unusual. Conversely, in Islam women are held legally and culturally in a very low position, and would never play such a role in Islam when Mo was around, or today. No Proverbs 31 wife for them!

Additionally, Mohammed's movement was both young and failing when he had another "revelation" that Allah would bless the efforts of the Muslim warriors with the right of pillage and rape. Soon after the Muslim movement exploded in size, and the rest is history.

Islam is at pains to declare infidels generally, and infidel women particularly, as outside legal protections in jihad. Indeed, a repeated theme from Islamists is that Western women deserve rape because they dress provocatively.

In sum, this may be another insight into how and why the A/C may be seen to not regard women.

Now as to whether Obama would quickly render the U.S. impotent, remember the U.S. is a colossus, bestride the world, about whose legs lesser countries cower (sorry Mr. Shakespeare). Our GDP is short of $15 trillion a year. The next closest country is Japan, at about $4 trillion a year. Similarly, our military is far, far stronger and more modern than even the second best. We stand alone. Even in a world depression, we would relatively be over powering.

If Obama is The One (but not the one his supporters think he is), and if he is a closet Muslim, he may stay closeted for a while, so he can keep his base of power and international good will, and use our troops for his purposes.

Now I am in the camp which believes Gog and the AC are the same. There are cogent arguments on both sides. However, I will note as an aside to the "thrown alive into the Lake of Fire" argument, my counter point is that it seems everyone gets a resurrected body. It is just that some are with the Lord forever, and others cast into the Lake of Fire. Why can't the AC be both killed, and cast into the Lake with a resurrected body? Anyway, that is not the point here.

One final point. This is all with the back drop that we are all well aware of: If we are chronologically where most of us believe, at some point fairly soon it seems explicitly supernaturally events would have to have to start happening. For instance, when do the two witnesses show, or when would catastrophic events of truly world-shaking proportion occur? If that were to suddenly begin, then the dynamics of the debate of who the AC is, the opportunity to debate it, and the consequences of debating it, might all change quite rapidly. So it is important to frankly consider all these things, as that opportunity may be gone before we know it.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby skestler on Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:30 pm

Abiding in His Word wrote:
Salty Skipper wrote:That is the most freakish thing of all to me..that Obama does not say, 'hey listen folks, I'm not the messiah. That's silly.' Any God fearing Christian would not allow such things to be said. Even a backslidden luke warm Christian. If you don't believe it, Obama, stand up and say so.


I did hear him say "contrary to rumors that I was born in a manger...." at the Alfred Smith charity roast that was televised. If you google it, you can watch the video.


But the punch line of his joke was, "I was actually born on Krypton and sent here by my father, Jor-el, to save the planet Earth."
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby aaron on Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:36 am

One final point. This is all with the back drop that we are all well aware of: If we are chronologically where most of us believe, at some point fairly soon it seems explicitly supernaturally events would have to have to start happening. For instance, when do the two witnesses show, or when would catastrophic events of truly world-shaking proportion occur? If that were to suddenly begin, then the dynamics of the debate of who the AC is, the opportunity to debate it, and the consequences of debating it, might all change quite rapidly. So it is important to frankly consider all these things, as that opportunity may be gone before we know it.


That's what I'm missing too, supernatural events, or anything that isn't shaded or behind the scenes political maneuvering by Solana or the EU. I would love to see the two witnesses in action, but that would disprove my rapture theory. I'd get over it in a hurry though, if we started observing more concrete evidence of the 70th week. The time to debate these things definately is running short.

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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby tara on Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:49 am

Hi Aaron,
When you say that the time to debate these things is growing short, are you thinking that since no concrete occurrence has recently happened to substantiate entering the 70th week, that perhaps it is not the right time?
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby jgilberAZ on Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:39 am

aaron wrote:Good & Plentys are awesome, I tried to get my wife to try 'em but she detests black licorice.


If it isn't black, it isn't licorice. You can call all those strawberry and cherry and chocolate twizzlers licorice all you want, but they aren't licorice.

I love licorice. I don't like all those non-licorice imitations that call themselves licorice.

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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby ACfrom Turkey on Wed Oct 29, 2008 2:20 pm

Interesting thoughts in the OP, but I think it is more likely Obama would lead America into following the AC rather than actually being the AC.

If McCain wins then it will be pretty clear that "they" made it happen as Williams said.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby El Gallo on Sat Nov 01, 2008 11:19 pm

Thought you might find this interesting:

Did Jesus Claim Barack Obama is SATAN?

In Luke 10:18 Jesus states,

“I beheld Satan as Lightning fall from Heaven.”

How does a Jewish Rabbi, which Jesus is credited with being (John 1:38), say in HEBREW, that Satan is like LIGHTNING from heaven?

Barack, also transliterated as Baraq in Hebrew, is LIGHTNING (Strongs Hebrew word 1300). Even in Greek, Barak is LIGHTNING (Strongs Greek word 913) for the name of a person!

The ONLY WAY, a Jewish Rabbi can say in Hebrew that SATAN is LIGHTNING is, SATAN BARACK!

Interestingly, the “Greek” verse of Luke 10:18 does not contain an actual Greek word to translate into “Fall”. The Greek word translated as “Fall” appears to be a rare form of a Hebrew word for “transgressions”. So, the words of Jesus in this verse probably refer to heavenly transgressions.

In Hebrew poetry from the dominant book that the New Testament draws upon, to validate the “works” of Jesus as “proof” of poetic prophecy, the use of BAMA (Strongs Hebrew word 1116) is used to refer to the “heights” of heaven. That book is Isaiah. Christian scholars would agree, that much of the New Testament refers directly to passages of Isaiah's poetry.

Isaiah is also the source of origin for the Christian concept of “Satan” or “Lucifer” Isaiah 14:12.

In the verses of Isaiah that refer directly to “Lucifer” in King James translations of Isaiah, sure enough, BAMA (Strongs Hebrew word 1116) is used to refer to the “Heights” of Heaven (Isaiah 14:14)!

In Hebrew, the letter vau is transliterated as an “O” or “U”. It is primarily used as a conjunction to join concepts together. So, to “join” in Hebrew poetry the concept of lightning (Barack) and a high place like heaven or the “Heights of Heaven”, the letter “O” or Hebrew vau would be used. Bama is most commonly used to refer to a high sacred place, as well as to the “Heights” of the heavens or clouds.

So, Barack O Bama in Hebrew poetry, similar to the style of Isaiah, would translate literally as Lightning and the “Heights” of the sky or heaven!

Satan is Satan in Hebrew. So the Jesus “Prophecy” of Luke 10:18, if spoken actually by a Jewish Rabbi influenced by the poetry of Isaiah, would have said the verse Luke 10:18 as ;

Satan Barack O Bama

That would be Hebrew for Satan is Lightning (Barack) and the heights (BAMA) of heaven or the sky.

Since the oldest copy of Luke 10:18 is recorded in Greek, the only word we need to add, is the incorrectly translated word for a “fall”. Thus far, Christian scholars claim the word translated as “fall” is Strongs Greek 4098, Pipto. In Luke 10:18, in GREEK, Pipto is not used. The word is pesouta. This is probably a Greek phonetic usage of the Hebrew word. Like Satan is Hebrew and translated phonetically as a Hebrew word, it seems pesouta, a Hebrew word, was not correctly translated, since a Greek word NOT IN THE GREEK TEXT for “fall” is credited by scholars as being in the Satan is Barack (Lightning) verse.

The Hebrew root of pesouta is a word normally used to refer to a “transgression” or a sin.

Pesa (Strongs Hebrew word 6588) refers to a revolt, rebellion or sin, a “transgression”. This is the exact concept normally associated with “Satan” in Christian theology.

So, Luke 10:18 is correctly translated as;

“Satan is like Lightning (Barack) and the Highest (Bama) heavenly rebellion/sin/transgression!!

While Christians consider “Sin” a humanly “fall” from Grace, the Greek word for a “fall” is not used in Luke 10:18.

Interestingly, we now have a political leader on the threshold of obtaining control of the largest arsenal of NUCLEAR WARHEADS on this planet!

If you were SATAN, or Barack (Hebrew for Lightning), what army would you try to take control of, so you could unleash 10,000 NUKES upon mankind and DESTROY what he hates (Humanity)?

That army, is the army of the United States of America!

Interestingly, another world figure named Barack, is already in control of over 100 NUKES! The minister of Defense of Israel is named Barack!

The New Testament records Jesus saying LIGHTNING, or Barack in Hebrew, only three times! Luke 10:18 is clear. SATAN is BARACK or Lightning!

In Matthew 24:27, Jesus explains how his “coming” will be connected to LIGHTNING (Barack)!

Matt 24:27
“For as the Lightning (Barack) cometh out of the east and shineth unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be!”

The Greek word translated as “For” in this verse is gar (Strongs Greek word 1063). This word can also be translated as SEEING or WHEN. So seeing Barack or when Barack comes from the east and shines unto the west is a TIMING EVENT for the “Coming of Jesus”!

Barack Obama grew up in the “East”, in the country of Indonesia! His political career is now about to shine upon the West, the United States!

Can it be, the “Coming of the Son of Man” is nigh?

According to New Testament verses, Lightning or Barack is SATAN and his travels from the East in Indonesia to his accession to the throne of power in the West, the United States, signals the “Coming of the Son of Man”!

In Luke 17:24, Jesus once again uses Lightning (Barack aka SATAN) for a timing prophecy of his “Coming”!

Once again, the Greek word gar (Strongs Greek word 1063) is translated as “for”. However, it is also “seeing” or “when”. So, Luke 17:24 can also be read as:
“Seeing/when lightning (Barack) comes out of Heaven... so shall also the Son of man be in his day!”

So, Jesus used Lightning (Barack in Hebrew) to literally describe SATAN! He then tied his “Coming” to the appearance of “Barack” or Lightning aka SATAN! Many political pundits describe the charisma of Barack Obama as “Messianic”! Perhaps they should read their Bibles closer and see it is really SATANIC CONTROL!

The modern “Jewish” concept of SATAN is not like the Christian concept of SATAN! “Jews” with a traditional “Jewish” view of the Old Testament consider SATAN to be an “accuser” or an “opponent”, not a “fallen angel” out to DESTROY Mankind!

In fact, SATAN is actually two different words in Hebrew. The second SATAN means literally **** ON THE WALL! In fact, the Hebrew word SIN means the same thing **** ON THE WALL! (See Strongs Hebrew word 8366 = Satan/****/Sin).

The Satan Christians comprehend, is Strongs Hebrew words 7853 and 7854. The ADVERSARY, slanderer, opponent or accuser!

The Christian version of Satan was influenced by the Greek version of the Old Testament, created about 300 B.C., the Greek Septuaginta.

That Greek view of “Satan” probably emanated from contemporary Hebrew thought that was not part of mainstream Judaism. That view, was of the separatist Jews now known as the “Essenes”. The Essenic concept of a Great War in Heaven between the Sons of God was written about in Essenic literature that is not part of traditional Bibles now. However, their poetic prose about the “Great Battle” between the Sons of Light and the Sons of Darkness were rediscovered not long before Barack was born! That discovery was the Dead Sea Scrolls!

Most Christian Scholars now connect Jesus to the group of Essenes that wrote the Dead Sea Scrolls, primarily due to their communal concept of life, devotion to a minimalistic lifestyle almost in poverty, and of course ritual bathing or baptism. The Essenes were also acclaimed “Healers”, in the mode of the “Miracles” of the New Testament!

So, is Satan like what “Jews” are taught? An accuser? Or **** ON THE WALL? Or, is Satan really LIGHTNING/BARACK who now strolls the earth, walking to and fro, and about to take CONTROL of over 10,000 NUKES?

If SATAN is a real diabolic fallen “angel”, then the rise of Satan/Lightning/Barack is THE SIGN that the COMING of IMMANUEL is nigh...

Written on the 29th day of June 2008 C.E. by ;

The Hon. Dr. Rabbi Sollog Immanuel Adonai-Adoni

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Sollog has authored over 50 books. Most are about religion. He is the founder of Hykal 'Hayah (Temple of 'Hayah – THE LORD)
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby Salty Skipper on Sat Nov 01, 2008 11:33 pm

Hi El Gallo. Check your pm's.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby c.alt on Sun Nov 02, 2008 1:08 am

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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby El Gallo on Sun Nov 02, 2008 9:16 am

Salty had tp remove some "salty" language from the post. Suffice is to say the four letter word has to do with excreting fluids. I am not sure what this has to do with the author's big picture. I mean, does if have to do with the Wailing Wall? I will try looking into it.

I was surprised to find this whole post as a Google match. Makes me a bit nervous, as word is Obama already has people scrubbing the Internet for references to him. He would have some tremendous resources, if elected, to come against those who oppose him -- perhaps not all legal. For instance, the Clintons, who seem to have been completely exposed as small time compared to BHO's world-wide machine, were known to use the IRS to punish prominent foes. I believe the message of what happened to Joe the Plumber is that BHO may go after anyone that questions him. Not paranoid, just watching.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby PraiseHim on Sun Nov 02, 2008 9:51 am

I agree, watching and using discernment as you are.
Remember in Algebra I how you always had to show your work? That's the idea James is getting at here.

James 3:13-18 (New Living Translation)

13 If you are wise and understand God's ways, prove it by living an honorable life, doing good works with the humility that comes from wisdom. 14 But if you are bitterly jealous and there is selfish ambition in your heart, don't cover up the truth with boasting and lying. 15 For jealousy and selfishness are not God's kind of wisdom. Such things are earthly, unspiritual, and demonic. 16 For wherever there is jealousy and selfish ambition, there you will find disorder and evil of every kind.

So, here's the extra credit.

17 But the wisdom from above is first of all pure. It is also peace loving, gentle at all times, and willing to yield to others. It is full of mercy and good deeds. It shows no favoritism and is always sincere. 18 And those who are peacemakers will plant seeds of peace and reap a harvest of righteousness.

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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby DaveG on Sun Nov 02, 2008 10:25 am

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If it is indeed Obama, could we see some sort of sign or signs in the heavens Tuesday evening?
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby El Gallo on Sun Nov 02, 2008 3:11 pm

I would guess (but invite comment) that maybe not until January. But if he is the one, I believe the witnesses would have to appear soon?
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Here's the $64,000 question...

Postby WhiteH2OWoman on Sun Nov 02, 2008 3:46 pm

Does Ahmadinejad (the guy who runs Iran) think that Obama is the 12th mahdi he and the muslims have been looking for?
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby WhiteH2OWoman on Sun Nov 02, 2008 3:49 pm

ACfrom Turkey wrote:Interesting thoughts in the OP, but I think it is more likely Obama would lead America into following the AC rather than actually being the AC.


...and Obama could be the False Prophet. Or the actual AC. It's hard to fathom ANYONE coming on the scene zooming to wild, insane popularity faster than Obama has...but of course, we ain't seen nothin' yet!
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby seekingtruth on Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:16 pm

Personally, I think the the AC has been alive among us. If I was alive back in 1948, I would of said he was alive then as well. I think that since Satan has no more insight as to when God will start Daniel's 70th wk, that he must keep a AC figure ready in the wings. So, could it be Obama or Solana? Of course. But if the timing is off, then it'll be someone else. Satan, I'm sure, is always at the ready, waiting, waiting, for God to kick it off. We should be even more diligent than he, as children of God. Thank goodness for boards like this!

It's not the person of the AC that interests me insomuch as Satan's use of him. Anyone of a number of people would make good servants to the prince of deception. Including the 2 previously mentioned.
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Re: Here's the $64,000 question...

Postby Salty Skipper on Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:41 pm

WhiteH2OWoman wrote:Does Ahmadinejad (the guy who runs Iran) think that Obama is the 12th mahdi he and the muslims have been looking for?


Maybe that's why he fainted the other day. :bag:
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby El Gallo on Sun Nov 02, 2008 6:04 pm

If BHO gets in, I see him meeting soon after with Ahmadinejad and let's say Ahmadinejad may be walking on air after the meeting.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

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