Turkey : Part Four

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Ready1 on Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:29 pm

Hi David,

Just trying to understand...are you saying Matt 24 and Zech 12 also apply to Ezekiel's war?
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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:08 am

Ready1 wrote:Hi David,

Just trying to understand...are you saying Matt 24 and Zech 12 also apply to Ezekiel's war?


Hi Ready1. It is my belief they are all the battle of Armageddon. I understand you believe differently. Would you like to discuss this ?

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Ready1 on Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:04 am

Exit40 wrote:
Ready1 wrote:Hi David,

Just trying to understand...are you saying Matt 24 and Zech 12 also apply to Ezekiel's war?


Hi Ready1. It is my belief they are all the battle of Armageddon. I understand you believe differently. Would you like to discuss this ?

God Bless You

David


Hi David, I was just seeking information since I would not use either of these passages to support the premises of Ezekiel's war.

Do you really think that we could come to any agreement if we did discuss it? :grin: :grin: :grin: :wink:
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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:11 am

Ready1 wrote:
Hi David, I was just seeking information since I would not use either of these passages to support the premises of Ezekiel's war.

Do you really think that we could come to any agreement if we did discuss it? :grin: :grin: :grin: :wink:


Who knows ??? Scripture has that funny way of revealing the Truth, even to one that is not listening. Which could be either one of us honestly. I haven't had this discussion for some time, might be good to refresh and renew my thoughts about it. As I recall the last time I went in depth I got sidetracked by extra Biblical info that served to confirm many of my beliefs, and backed up the Scriptures also. I'd have to hunt down all my research which is somewhere around here. Up to you though Brother.

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:13 am

Palestinians in Turkey: What Erdogan Says vs. What Erdogan Does
by Khaled Abu Toameh June 5, 2020 at 5:00 am

While Erdogan is paying lip service to the Palestinian cause and praising Hamas, which is designated as a terrorist group by the US, EU, Canada and Australia, Palestinian refugees who fled to Turkey from Syria are complaining of discrimination and mistreatment by the Turkish authorities.

According to Palestinian sources, there are about 10,000 Palestinian refugees in Turkey who are suffering from discrimination and living in dire conditions.

The suffering of the Palestinian refugees fleeing Syria begins the moment they arrive at the border with Turkey, Thuri Tamim, a Palestinian refugee, told the Palestinian Refugees Portal, an independent website covering news related to Palestinian refugees.

If Erdogan really wants to help the Palestinians, he can start by ordering his government to stop arresting and harassing Palestinian refugees. If he really wants to help the Palestinians, he can stop playing host and cash cow to Hamas, a terrorist group that has brought nothing but misery to Palestinians and Israelis alike....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Ready1 on Fri Jun 05, 2020 1:05 pm

Exit40 wrote:
Ready1 wrote:
Hi David, I was just seeking information since I would not use either of these passages to support the premises of Ezekiel's war.

Do you really think that we could come to any agreement if we did discuss it? :grin: :grin: :grin: :wink:


Who knows ??? Scripture has that funny way of revealing the Truth, even to one that is not listening. Which could be either one of us honestly. I haven't had this discussion for some time, might be good to refresh and renew my thoughts about it. As I recall the last time I went in depth I got sidetracked by extra Biblical info that served to confirm many of my beliefs, and backed up the Scriptures also. I'd have to hunt down all my research which is somewhere around here. Up to you though Brother.

God Bless You

David


If you would like to explain why you believe that Armageddon and Ezekiel's war are one and the same, I will be glad to listen. I may even make an occasional comment or ask an occasional question.
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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:28 am

Ready1 wrote:If you would like to explain why you believe that Armageddon and Ezekiel's war are one and the same, I will be glad to listen. I may even make an occasional comment or ask an occasional question.


This topic gets really involved, many Scriptures to post, and without relative discussion it seems almost not worth the effort at this point, considering a computer crash took most of my research with it. But, I will get started on a few things and see where it goes.

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:33 am

Global Opinions
A message from Turkey: Americans, the counterrevolution might be around the corner
(Jonathan Newton/The Washington Post) By Asli Aydintasbas June 5, 2020 at 11:23 a.m. PDT

Social media users in Turkey are obsessively following the protests sweeping across the United States against the police killing of George Floyd, and not just because of President Trump’s dismal response — amid more than 100,000 deaths from covid-19 — has an ominous end-of-the-empire feel.

Turks are focused on the U.S. demonstrations because of the eerie similarities to the Gezi uprising of 2013, when plans by Turkish then-Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan to tear down a public park and build a mall in downtown Istanbul, along with plans to restrict alcohol sales and promote religious education, sparked the most powerful urban unrest generations of Turks had witnessed.

For weeks, protesters from diverse segments of Turkish society gained control of downtown Istanbul under the slogan “resist.” Erdogan’s provocative statements did not help. Police violence against demonstrators, including the killing of 19-year-old Ali Ismail Korkmaz, triggered an even bigger avalanche across the country. It was a summer of protests, with singing, shouting, barricades and tear gas every day.

I don’t want to make facile comparisons here. Trump and Erdogan share many traits, but there are also major differences between the two men. Turkey has never been a strong or stable democracy, for starters....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:01 am

Libya: The battle for Tripoli explained in 600 words
Counteroffensive by GNA sees rival forces of eastern-based Khalifa Haftar withdraw to pre-April 2019 lines.
by Ramy Allahoum 21 hours ago

After 14 months and hundreds of lives lost, renegade military commander Khalifa Haftar's attempt to seize Tripoli and become Libya's ruler is effectively over....

... Al Jazeera takes a quick look at the collapsed offensive and what lies ahead for the oil-rich North African country. ...

Highlight re Turkey...

But the push stalled in the face of strong resistance, with the battle lines remaining largely fixed until a series of military victories in recent weeks by the Turkish-backed GNA's forces....

Haftar is supported by the United Arab Emirates, Egypt and Russia, while the Tripoli-based administration of Prime Minister Fayez al-Sarraj is supported by Turkey....

Turkey stepped up its intervention after signing a maritime demarcation deal with the GNA late last year to begin oil and gas exploration in the resource-abundant eastern Mediterranean....

Russia and Turkey have engaged in a flurry of diplomatic activity to secure a ceasefire and reap dividends from their military investment....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Ready1 on Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:54 am

Exit40 wrote:
Ready1 wrote:If you would like to explain why you believe that Armageddon and Ezekiel's war are one and the same, I will be glad to listen. I may even make an occasional comment or ask an occasional question.


This topic gets really involved, many Scriptures to post, and without relative discussion it seems almost not worth the effort at this point, considering a computer crash took most of my research with it. But, I will get started on a few things and see where it goes.

God Bless You

David


It would probably be good to start a new thread in the debate section or the questions section, something like: Ezekiel's War/Armageddon or Ezekiel's War vs Armageddon.
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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Sun Jun 07, 2020 6:51 am

"You Are Finished!": Turkey's Growing War on Christians
by Raymond Ibrahim June 7, 2020 at 5:00 am

When pretexts cannot be found, assailants sometimes resort to other tactics. In an apparent attempt to conceal the online presence of at least one church, for instance, authorities labeled its website "pornographic," and blocked it.

"[T]his hateful environment did not emerge out of nowhere. The seeds of this hatred are spread, beginning at primary schools, through books printed by the Ministry of National Education portraying Christians as enemies and traitors. The indoctrination continues through newspapers and television channels in line with state policies. And of course, the sermons at mosques and talk at coffee houses further stir up this hatred." — Uzay Bulut, Ahvalnews.com., March 16, 2020.

Just what, then, do so-called "radical" Muslims... regard as the "proper" treatment of Christians?...

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Sun Jun 07, 2020 6:53 am

Ready1 wrote:
It would probably be good to start a new thread in the debate section or the questions section, something like: Ezekiel's War/Armageddon or Ezekiel's War vs Armageddon.


There might already be one like that. I'll take a look when I am not so rushed. We might consider including Isaiah 17 also, and a few others that seem to be linked to the Day of the Lord battles culminating in Armageddon.

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:36 am

Libya's war: Erdogan says 'agreements' reached with Trump
Turkish president says there could be a 'new era' in the Libyan conflict following a phone call with his US counterpart.
3 hours ago

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said "some agreements" have been reached with his US counterpart Donald Trump that could herald a "new era" in the conflict in Libya.

Turkey supports the internationally recognised government of Fayez al-Sarraj, whose forces have in recent weeks driven back an assault on the capital, Tripoli, by the forces of renegade commander Khalifa Haftar.

While the US officially supports Libya's UN-recognised Government of National Accord (GNA), Haftar is supported by Washington's allies - Egypt, the United Arab Emirates (UAE), France, and Saudi Arabia - as well as Russia.

"After our call this evening, there could be a new era between the US and Turkey regarding the (Libya) process," Erdogan told state broadcaster TRT on Monday....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:41 am

Russia raises stakes with 'brazen' military intervention in Libyan conflict
By Tim Lister, Sam Kiley and Sebastian Shukla, CNN
Updated 9:35 AM ET, Tue June 9, 2020

(CNN)The voice behind the camera rings with falsetto glee as the frame fills with the remains of an aircraft, its wings burned and skeletal, its jet engine slumped in the wreckage.

"Our rocket did that ... this is their plane," the Libyan fighter yells.
He was standing in what remained of the strategically important al Watiya airbase, near the Tunisian border. Militia affiliated with the UN-recognized government had just overrun the base; forces loyal to renegade general Khalifa Haftar had fled.

Among Haftar's retreating fighters were dozens of Russian mercenaries hauling their Pantsir air defense systems with them. They are part of a larger force of some 2,000 Russians belonging to the private Russian military contractor Wagner, which has been in Libya since 2018....

Snip... Beyond the Libyan context, AFRICOM told CNN: "If Russia is allowed to effectively shape the ultimate result of the Libya conflict, the US, and especially NATO and Europe, will not like the outcome."...

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:08 am

Erdogan and Trump Form New Bond as Interests Align
Relations between President Trump and President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey have long blown hot and cold. For the moment, they are finding common cause.
By Carlotta Gall June 10, 2020

ISTANBUL — Relations between President Trump and his Turkish counterpart, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, were in the worst state anyone could remember 10 months ago, veering toward armed clashes between their armies across the Syrian-Turkish border, while Mr. Trump threatened to annihilate Turkey’s economy.

But these days, as the coronavirus threatens recession and rallies their opponents, both men are under pressure at home, with not many friends abroad, and may feel the need of some friendly comfort. This week, according to the Turkish account, they shared a few jokes during a phone call.

“To be honest, after our conversation tonight, a new era can begin between the United States and Turkey,” Mr. Erdogan said during a television interview afterward on Monday.

Relations between the two leaders have long blown hot and cold. But their stars have aligned for the moment, with the interests of Turkey and the United States converging on several of the biggest issues that had driven them apart in recent years....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Sat Jun 13, 2020 6:14 am

JUNE 12, 2020 / 6:53 AM / UPDATED 21 HOURS AGO
Turkey slams 'propaganda machine' Twitter over removal of accounts

ISTANBUL (Reuters) - Turkey fiercely criticised Twitter on Friday for suspending more than 7,000 accounts that supported President Tayyip Erdogan, saying the company was smearing the government and trying to redesign Turkish politics.

Twitter said it was taking down 7,340 accounts from a network detected early in 2020 that it said was being used to amplify political narratives favourable to Erdogan’s AK Party.

“(This) has demonstrated yet again that Twitter is no mere social media company, but a propaganda machine with certain political and ideological inclinations,” said presidency communications director Fahrettin Altun.

In a written statement, he added that allegations these were “fake” profiles designed to support the president and were managed by a central authority were untrue....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:49 am

Powers Play with Fire in Libya
by Amir Taheri June 14, 2020 at 4:00 am

Cameron's friends tell me that he and Sarkozy were both pushed into the Libyan adventure by then US President Barack Obama who wished to test his "leadership from behind" theory which, in turn, flattered the European midgets.

Libya is currently the largest theater of proxy wars in the Greater Middle East. More foreign powers are involved in the Libyan proxy war than in Syria.

According to Moscow sources, Russian President Vladimir Putin hopes to gain a pause-and-resupply base for his navy on Libya's 1,770-kilometer-long Mediterranean coast to complement the aero-naval base he has obtained in Tartus, Syria.

The second reason why this mini-world war is worthy of attention is that Libya, with the longest shoreline on the Mediterranean, is also neighbor on land to six countries, all of which could be destabilized or worse. It is no surprise that, thanks to Egyptian efforts, the Libyan dossier is slated to come up in the African Union as a threat to security across the continent.

A series of seesaw battles, in some of which Haftar's forces scored tactical gains, has shown that without military intervention by a bigger player, neither side is able to kick the other out of the game.... The prospect of Libya being Syrianized must be taken seriously....

Snip... Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan tries to justify all that by pointing to more than $30 billion in Turkish investments in Libya under Gaddafi, when almost a million Turks worked there. Though Gaddafi had granted Libyan citizenship to many Turks, most immigrants returned home after his fall....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:15 am

Deciphering Bidenese
by Daniel Pipes
June 15, 2020 at 4:00 am

There is a brand-new game: decipher the rhetoric of Joe Biden...

The game he has inspired has two simple rules: (1) prune the gibberish and (2) add what is needed to make sense.

Whatever the impetus, should Biden win in November, let us hope he has sufficient influence on his own administration to implement this sound policy on Turkey....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:38 am

Russia, Turkey put off talks expected to discuss Libya and Syria
No new date announced for talks that were scheduled to take place in Istanbul on Sunday and Monday.
14 Jun 2020

Russia and Turkey have postponed ministerial-level talks that were expected to focus on Libya and Syria, where the two countries support opposing sides in long-standing conflicts.

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu and his Russian counterpart Sergey Lavrov decided to put off the talks during a phone call on Sunday, the Turkish Foreign Ministry said.

"The two countries' deputy ministers will continue contacts and talks in the period ahead. Minister-level talks will be held at a later date," the ministry said in a statement....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:30 am

Jun 15, 2020
Turkey’s economic turmoil imposing early polls on Erdogan
Grappling with economic strains that might grow worse down the road, Turkey’s president faces an early election conundrum.

Turkey’s economic woes, compounded by the coronavirus pandemic, are increasingly forcing President Recep Tayyip Erdogan to consider early elections, leaving him stuck between pressure to reassert his leadership and fear of losing.

The next presidential and parliamentary elections are three years away, but talk of early polls is already abuzz amid the bruising impact of the pandemic. Many observers reckon that waiting for 2023 could augment the risks for Erdogan, who is facing an opposition enlarged by splinter movements from his Justice and Development Party (AKP).

Turkey plunged into economic turmoil in mid-2018, shortly after Erdogan was reelected under a new governance system that concentrated power in the president’s hands. The Turkish economy, which grew only about 1% last year, was still fragile when the coronavirus hit in March and was probably bruised worse than many other economies....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:49 pm

TURKISH LEADER CALLS TO PAINT OVER SERAPHIM IN DOME OF AGIA SOPHIA, CONVERSION TO MOSQUE REPORTEDLY ALREADY UNDERWAY
Istanbul, June 16, 2020

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As Turkish officials await the court hearing on the possibility of converting the world-famous Agia Sophia Museum back into a mosque, preparations for the change are reportedly already underway.

In this vein, the leader of the Saadet Partisi Islamist political party, Abdullah Sevim, called for Turkey to immediately take action and paint over the faces of the seraphim in the dome of the 6th-century Orthodox cathedral-turned-mosque-turned-museum, reports the Orthodoxia News Agency.

“There’s no need to wait for the decision of the State Council. We’ve already purchased the lime,” Sevim wrote on his Twitter page, calling everyone to join in a Muslim prayer to be held at Agia Sophia by President Erdogan.

The State Council will review the possibility of changing the status of Agia Sophia from a mosque to a museum, thus canceling the presidential decree of 1934 that turned it into a museum in the first place, on July 2.

Other preparations towards converting it back into a mosque are reportedly underway already....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:53 am

JUNE 17, 2020 / 11:22 AM / UPDATED 18 HOURS AGO
France accuses Turkey of hostile acts to stop enforcement of Libya arms embargo

PARIS (Reuters) - France accused Turkey’s navy on Wednesday of acting in a hostile and unacceptable manner towards its NATO allies to prevent them from enforcing a United Nations arms embargo on Libya.

NATO defence ministers are holding a virtual meeting this week amid growing tensions between Paris and Ankara. The two allies have traded barbs over the crisis in Libya, accusing each other of supporting opposing sides in the country’s war.

French foreign ministry spokeswoman Agnes von der Muhll said violations of the embargo, notably by Turkey, were the main obstacles to achieving peace and stability in Libya....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Sat Jun 20, 2020 7:24 am

Turkey: Erdoğan Wishes "Many More Happy Conquests"
by Burak Bekdil June 20, 2020 at 5:00 am

In Turkish jargon, the difference is simple: It is "conquest" when we do it and "invasion" when others do it.

In this year's celebrations, President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan raised the stakes when he spoke of the conquest prospectively not just retrospectively. "I am wishing that God grant this nation many more happy conquests," he said....

A serious question remains to be asked: When Erdoğan wished God to grant Turks "many more happy conquests" which non-Turkish lands is he hoping to "conquer"?

In Turkey, every May 29 brings up the country's "conquest fetish." Turks are proud that their Ottoman ancestors, in 1453, "conquered" (not "invaded") then-Constantinople, today's Istanbul. It is bizarre enough that a proud nation is commemorating, every year, the capture from another nation of its biggest city by the "force of sword." This year's 567th anniversary was no exception: The celebrations euphemistically referred to the fall of Constantinople as "conquest" -- not "invasion."...

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Sat Jun 20, 2020 7:58 am

Turkey Bombs Iraq, Syria, Targeting Kurdish Group It Says Trains Antifa
BY TOM O'CONNOR ON 6/19/20 AT 4:58 PM EDT

Turkey bombed Iraq and Syria, striking a Kurdish militia it has accused of training members of the left-wing, international antifa movement involved in protests across the United States.

The Turkish Defense Ministry released footage Friday of an F-16 fighter jet taking off and conducting what it said was an operation in Iraq's northern Great Zab region that "neutralized" four members of the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK). The outlawed group has been locked in a three-decade, cross-border insurgency with Ankara, which has stepped up its campaign against Kurdish forces in Iraq in recent days.

In Syria, Turkish forces and allied rebel forces bombed Kurdish groups in the Tel Abyad countryside of the northern Raqqa province, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a United Kingdom-based monitor with ties to Syria's exiled opposition, reported Wednesday. The mostly Kurdish Syrian Democratic Forces often bear PKK insignia and Turkey argues the militia is simply a proxy of the underground group.

The United States' support for the Syrian Democratic Forces has complicated Turkey's campaign in northern Syria. In addition to Kurdish PKK sympathizers, other ethnic minorities and Arabs, the Syrian Democratic Forces and its fight against the Islamic State militant group (ISIS) has attracted foreign fighters from across the globe, including a number of leftists and anarchists, largely from the West....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Mon Jun 22, 2020 7:24 am

Libya: GNA calls Egypt's military threat 'declaration of war'
Egyptian president warned of 'direct' intervention in Libya, citing the need to protect Egypt's porous border.
7 hours ago

Libya's UN-recognised Government of National Accord (GNA) has denounced Egypt's warning of military intervention in Libya, labelling it a "declaration of war".

On Saturday, Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi warned that if pro-GNA forces advanced on the strategic city of Sirte - some 450 kilometres (280 miles) east of the capital Tripoli - it could provoke a "direct" intervention by Cairo.

He also ordered the Egyptian army to be ready to carry out missions inside or outside of the country to protect its national security amid tensions over Turkey's intervention in Libya....

Snip... Since the start of June, increased Turkish support has enabled pro-GNA forces to take control of northwest Libya, ending Haftar's assault on Tripoli....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:48 am

Erdogan and the Hagia Sophia: Will He – Or Won’t He?
Facing ever shakier voter support, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan may finally be ready to convert the Hagia Sophia into a mosque.
By Tuğba Tanyeri Erdemir, June 26, 2020

Ever since the rise of his Islamist-rooted Justice and Development Party (AKP) to power in 2002, Recep Tayyip Erdogan has refrained from publicly endorsing calls for converting Hagia Sophia from its current status as a museum into a mosque.

While he is certainly sympathetic to this particular cause cherished by Turkey’s Islamists and ultranationalists alike, Erdogan — first as prime minister and then as president — generally acted with circumspection.

His more recent calls within the last two years to turn the Hagia Sophia into a mosque were either ploys to gain political ground or divert public attention away from his political failures. Erdogan’s latest push, however, may be different....

Snips... Hagia Sophia was built as an imperial cathedral by the Byzantine Emperor Justinian in the 6th century....

... This year, Hagia Sophia was at the very heart of the annual celebrations of Istanbul’s conquest on May 29. Erdogan took a prominent role in the ceremonies: He virtually appeared on a giant screen in Hagia Sophia next to an imam reciting Quranic verses and delivered a spirited speech broadcasted live....

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**** The Hagia Sophia is like the first Vatican temple, a temple of God, built for worship of the one true God. It's conversion to a mosque, and then to a museum is almost irrelevant to the upcoming conversion back to a mosque. It is still a temple to God, a physical building whose purpose remains a Christian cathedral. A temple of God. I believe it is a possibility that the following verse may refer to the Hagia Sophia as the temple of God the 'man of sin' desecrates. Erdogan already acts as if he is sent by his god to rule over all the muslim world, appointed to form the resurgent caliphate, with which he will try to force it's rule on the rest of the world. Watch for what Erdogan does here, it may be Prophetic. D. ****

2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:58 am

Ayasofya: the mosque-turned-museum at the heart of an ideological battle
Turkey’s decision to secularise the building was symbolic – so is Erdoğan’s support for reversing it
Bethan McKernan in Istanbul Tue 30 Jun 2020 00.00 EDTLast modified on Tue 30 Jun 2020 08.32 EDT

For 900 years, Muslim caliphs and sultans took it upon themselves to fulfil the Prophet Mohammed’s prophecy that a great conqueror would one day bring the holy city of Constantinople into Islam’s embrace.

In 1453, when Ottoman Sultan Mehmed II finally succeeded in breaking through the Byzantine city’s walls, he immediately made his way to the largest cathedral in Christendom. As sunlight glittered off gold mosaics of the Virgin Mary and incense smoke drifted up into the building’s vast dome, he fell on his knees and prayed.

The young conqueror’s decision to convert the Hagia Sophia (Holy Wisdom) in Greek, now known as Ayasofya in Turkish – into an imperial mosque was a powerful symbolic act, as was a move nearly one hundred years ago by the Turkish Republic’s secular founder, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, to turn the place of worship into a museum. Today, the Ayasofya is still at the heart of a potent ideological battle.

Converting Istanbul’s crowning architectural treasure back into a mosque has been a cause close to the hearts of Turkish nationalists and Islamists for decades. It has been opposed with equal fervour by Greece and Turkish liberals who argue the move would disrespect the history of the country’s Christian minority and erode the Republic’s secular character....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:00 am

France threatens Turkey with sanctions over Libya intervention
Penalties for breaching Cyprus’s territorial waters could be extended in retaliation for role in conflict
Damien McElroy July 1, 2020

France’s foreign minister said on Wednesday that EU foreign ministers would meet on July 13 to discuss Turkey and said new sanctions on Ankara could be considered.

“At our request there will be a meeting of EU foreign ministers on July 13 solely on the Turkish question,” Jean-Yves Le Drian told a parliamentary hearing.

“Sanctions have already been taken on Turkey by the EU over Turkey’s drilling in the Cyprus economic zone. Other sanctions may be envisaged.”

Turkey’s efforts to forge a maritime zone across to Libya affects many nations.

Its shipments of arms to its allies in the conflict and supply of extremist fighters has also challenged both EU and Nato polices....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Sun Jul 05, 2020 6:34 am

Turkey Deporting Protestant Christians
by Uzay Bulut July 5, 2020 at 4:30 am

Dozens of Protestant Christian families, according to the Association of Protestant Churches, have been asked to leave Turkey or have not been allowed to enter the country -- all based on trumped-up charges, such as "being a threat to national security".

"According to the court, Turkey's intelligence agency has a classified file on me that even our lawyer has been unable to review. According to this file, I am considered a threat to public order and security despite the fact that there is no legal complaint or court action against me." — Carlos Madrigal, spiritual leader, the Istanbul Protestant Church Foundation.

"Are Turkish citizens who are Protestant Christians next?" — Association of Protestant Churches....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:32 am

Turkey: How Erdoğan's Migrant Blackmail Failed
by Burak Bekdil July 10, 2020 at 5:00 am

On February 27, Erdoğan's government was on the threshold of executing its threat to flood Europe with millions of (mostly Syrian) migrants ... Hundreds of thousands of migrants began flocking to the border. By the next day, Greece was not only operating 52 Navy ships to guard its islands close to Turkey; it had also mobilized additional troops on land. Its security forces were able to block 10,000 migrants from entering Greece by way of the Turkish land border.

The new blackmail will not work for a number of reasons. First, because many migrants in Turkey have learned from experience that the Turkish-Greek border can no longer easily be crossed. And second, because the Greek security forces are now better equipped and better prepared to confront a new wave of migrants....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:41 am

$8bn blow to Erdogan as investors flee Turkey
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Updated 09 July 2020 ARAB NEWS July 09, 2020

Overseas holdings in Istanbul stock exchange are at lowest in 16 years

ANKARA: Foreign capital is flooding out of Turkey in a massive vote of no confidence in President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s economic competence.

Overseas investors have withdrawn nearly $8 billion from Turkish stocks since January, according to Central Bank statistics, reducing foreign investment in the Istanbul stock exchange from $32.3 billion to $24.4 billion.
As recently as 2013, the figure was $82 billion, and foreign investors now own less than 50 percent of stocks for the first time in 16 years.

“Foreign investment has left Turkey for several reasons, both internal and external,” Win Thin, global head of currency strategy at Brown Brothers Harriman, told Arab News....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Sat Jul 11, 2020 7:40 am

Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan formally makes Hagia Sophia a mosque
By Associated PressJuly 10, 2020 | 10:02pm

ANKARA, Turkey — The president of Turkey on Friday formally converted Istanbul’s sixth-century Hagia Sophia back into a mosque and declared it open for Muslim worship, hours after a high court annulled a 1934 decision that had made the religious landmark a museum.

The decision sparked deep dismay among Orthodox Christians. Originally a cathedral, Hagia Sophia was turned into a mosque after Istanbul’s conquest by the Ottoman Empire but had been a museum for the last 86 years, drawing millions of tourists annually.

There was jubilation outside the terracotta-hued structure with its cascading domes and four minarets. Dozens of people awaiting the court’s ruling chanted “Allah is great!” when the news broke. A large crowd later prayed outside it....

Snip... Erdogan, a devout Muslim, has frequently used the Hagia Sophia issue to drum up support for his Islamic-rooted party....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Sun Jul 12, 2020 7:05 am

Turkey's Hagia Sophia: "It's Like If Saint Peter's Had Been Turned Into a Mosque"
by Giulio Meotti July 12, 2020 at 5:00 am

"Would you have enjoyed it so much if a mosque at the center of Europe were converted into a church?" — Ertugrul Özkök, Hurriyet, March 8, 2014.

Turkey, however, also apparently wanted to inflict humiliation on the West. By turning Hagia Sophia into a mosque, Erdogan has been able to embarrass Washington, mock Brussels and defy Moscow.

For Erdogan and the Islamists, Hagia Sophia is the prime symbol of Christianity's subjugation to Islam.

"Hagia Sophia is the symbol of conquest. It belongs to us". — Yunus Genç, head of the Istanbul branch of the Anatolian Youth Association, Le Figaro, October 7, 2020.

When cartoons of Mohammed appeared in Danish and French newspapers in 2005, the Muslim world erupted in violence.... Now that Turkey is turning its formerly most important Christian monument into a mosque, there is no protest, only silence and mumbling, which are nothing but the soundtrack of the West's submission to Islam....

Snip... On May 29, 1453, Sultan Mehmet II, riding a white horse, arrived at the Hagia Sophia, the cathedral of "Divine Wisdom" built a thousand years earlier by the Byzantine Emperor Justinian I....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:21 am

Hagia Sophia and Turkey's Supremacism
by Burak Bekdil July 14, 2020 at 4:00 am

Why now? Erdoğan possibly thought the move could reverse the ongoing erosion of his popularity due, among others, to a looming economic crisis. All the same, it appears to be wrongly timed, as presidential and parliamentary elections are three years from now and Turks are notorious for not having a good memory. Praying at the Hagia Sophia Mosque will not turn a hungry man into a happy man.

"This is against the Quranic commandments... Prophet Mohammed never converted a Jewish or Christian house of prayer into a mosque." — Cemil Kılıç, Muslim theologian, t24.com.tr, July 12, 2020.

An Islamist leader decides to convert a monumental cathedral into a mosque, and his fans, are spilling out hatred against Jews. This is Turkey's new normal....

Snip... His voice came against an abundance of racist comments on social media:

"You Jewish dogs, it will come to Al-Aqsa Mosque [in Jerusalem] too."...

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:15 am

Hamas and Muslim Brotherhood congratulate Turkey on converting Hagia Sophia
by PAUL ANTONOPOULOS

The Palestinian terrorist organisation Hamas congratulated Turkey for its decision to convert Hagia Sophia into a mosque.

“Opening of Hagia Sophia to prayer is a proud moment for all Muslims,” said Rafat Murra, head of international press office of Hamas, in a written statement.

He then went onto say that the conversion created “sadness” for some in the Arab world.

“We have never seen them worry about Masjid al-Aqsa. We have not seen them get sad when the Zionists attack the Dome of the Rock. When the occupiers’ banned call to prayer in Al-Halil Masjid or Palestinian masjid. They did not care,” he said, without realizing the irony that his complaints of what Israel is doing is what Turkey has done.

Hamas, which was elected to hold 74 of the 132 seats in the Palestinian Legislative Council, is an affiliate of the Muslim Brotherhood and blindly follows orders from Turkey....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Fri Jul 17, 2020 8:17 am

Erdogan Defies the West to Make Turkey a Regional Power
By Selcan Hacaoglu July 16, 2020, 8:00 PM PDT

When President Recep Tayyip Erdogan reopens Istanbul’s Hagia Sophia for prayers next week, it will be the crowning symbol of his mission to reassert Turkey’s role as a Muslim power on the global stage. Yet Turkey’s rarely seemed more alone.

From conflicts in Syria and Libya to strikes in Iraq, NATO’s second-largest army is at work day and night with armed drones, warplanes and tanks. Turkish ships sail the Mediterranean, quarreling over gas resources with European Union members Greece and Cyprus.

After nearly two decades at the helm of a nation that straddles the Middle East and Europe, Erdogan has arguably built Turkey into a regional power with more international clout than at any time since its founding as a secular Westward-facing state by Mustafa Kemal Ataturk in 1923....

Snip... “Erdogan’s gambling on Trump, and it’s worked so far, but you can’t run a foreign policy like that as the odds can turn against you. Everything could change if Joe Biden wins the U.S. election in November.”...

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:52 am

Turkey's Erdogan visits Hagia Sophia after reconversion to mosque
Some 500 worshippers are set to attend Muslim prayers at UNESCO World Heritage site on Friday.
19 hours ago

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan paid a surprise visit to Hagia Sophia just days before the first Muslim prayers will be held at the Istanbul landmark since it was reconverted to a mosque last week.

In a quick visit billed as an inspection, Erdogan took stock of the conversion work, the president's office said on Sunday, providing images showing scaffolding inside the building.

The Diyanet, the country's religious authority, said Christian icons would be curtained off and unlit "through appropriate means during prayer times".

Authorities said last week the mosaics would be concealed with either curtains or lasers when the first prayers are held....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:43 am

Egypt's parliament approves troop deployment to Libya
Move comes as Libya gov't and Turkey demand an end of foreign intervention in support of commander Khalifa Haftar.
19 hours ago

Egypt's parliament authorised the deployment of troops outside the country on Monday after the president threatened military action against Turkish-backed forces in neighbouring Libya.

The parliament unanimously approved "the deployment of members of the Egyptian armed forces on combat missions outside Egypt's borders to defend Egyptian national security ... against criminal armed militias and foreign terrorist elements", it said in a statement.

The deployment would be made on a "western front" - a likely reference to western neighbour Libya. The move could bring Egypt and Turkey - which support rival sides in Libya's chaotic proxy war - into direct confrontation....

Snip... The GNA denounced Egypt's threat of military intervention in the North African nation, labelling it a "declaration of war"....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:08 am

Opinion
The Next Global Flash Point
In the Eastern Mediterranean, the West has retreated. That leaves Turkey and Russia to fill the vacuum.
By Sylvie Kauffmann July 24, 2020

PARIS — While many American foreign policymakers are focused on China and the South China Sea, some should take a closer look at Turkey and the Eastern Mediterranean, which could be the next geopolitical flash point for Europe and NATO to confront.

To some extent, a similar dynamic is at play. Just as China makes territorial claims that put it at odds with other Asian nations, Turkey is the increasingly disruptive, rising power in the Eastern Mediterranean — all too eager to make its intentions known in Libya and Syria.

For the West, Turkey’s assertiveness is a complex challenge. For one thing, Turkey, as a NATO member, is part of the very alliance it is disrupting. For another, Russia has also expanded its role in the region, and most of the West is largely hesitant to get involved there.

The situation looks like a perfect illustration of the new world disorder....

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Postby Exit40 on Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:02 am

Turkey on the Warpath
by Uzay Bulut July 27, 2020 at 4:00 am

The Erdogan regime has been militarily targeting Syria and Iraq, sending its Syrian mercenaries to Libya to seize Libya's oil, and continuing to bully Greece. It is now provoking ongoing violence between Armenia and Azerbaijan.

"Until the Syrian people are free, peaceful and safe, we will remain in this country." — Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Reuters, July 21, 2020.

"Crimes committed against Yazidis [in Syria] include forced conversion to Islam, rape of women and girls, humiliation and torture, arbitrary incarceration, and forced displacement." — Yazda.org, May 29, 2020.

One of Turkey's main targets also seems to be Greece.... If such an attack took place, would the West abandon Greece?...

Snip... Turkey's move in the Eastern Mediterranean came in early July, shortly after the country had turned Hagia Sophia, once the world's greatest Greek Cathedral, into a mosque. Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan then linked Hagia Sophia's conversion to a pledge to "liberate the Al-Aqsa Mosque" in Jerusalem....

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Postby Exit40 on Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:33 am

Al Jazeera English
Jul 30, 2020

Turkey's parliament has passed a controversial social media law - which rights groups say will give the government a greater power to increase online censorship.

Social media platforms like Facebook and Twitter will be required to have local representatives in Turkey.
They will also need to store the user data inside the country, making it easier for authorities to access.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFxLaX7bQMo

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Postby Exit40 on Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:45 am

How a Historian Stuffed Hagia Sophia’s Sound Into a Studio
Bissera Pentcheva used virtual acoustics to bring Istanbul to California and reconstruct the sonic world of Byzantine cathedral music. July 30, 2020

Turquoise carpets covered the marble floor, with its geometric designs. White drapes concealed the mosaic of the Virgin and Christ. Scaffolding obscured crosses and other Christian symbols.

Footage broadcast around the world last week captured some of these striking changes to Hagia Sophia, the Byzantine cathedral in Istanbul, which served as a mosque under Ottoman rule before becoming a museum in 1934. On the orders of Turkey’s president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, it is now once again used as a mosque.

But for a group of scholars, scientists and musicians, Hagia Sophia’s rededication as a Muslim place of worship threatens to cloak a less tangible treasure: its sound. Bissera Pentcheva, an art historian at Stanford University and an expert in the burgeoning field of acoustic archaeology, has spent the past decade studying the building’s extravagantly reverberant acoustics to reconstruct the sonic world of Byzantine cathedral music. Ms. Pentcheva argues that Hagia Sophia’s mystical brilliance reveals itself fully only if it is viewed as a vessel for animated light — and sound....

Snip... Thus the members of Cappella Romana, a vocal ensemble based in Portland, Ore., specializing in Byzantine chant, recorded “The Lost Voices” in a space that persuasively mimicked the acoustics of Hagia Sophia — with its luscious reverberation, cross echoes and amplification of particular frequencies....

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**** Listen, like being there. D. ****

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Postby Exit40 on Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:49 am

Turkey's Brain Drain: Why Youths See No Future There
by Burak Bekdil August 1, 2020 at 5:00 am

SODEV, another pollster, found that 60.5% of youths supporting Erdoğan said they would prefer to live in Christian Switzerland with half the salary they would have earned in Muslim Saudi Arabia.

"These kind of social engineering efforts targeting the younger mind almost always end up with opposite results, primarily because the new generation do not like to be told what's good and what's bad for them. Freedoms for most youth are more important than prayers. This is what conservative politicians often miss." — Turkish university professor who asked not to be named.

In just the first 65 days of the COVID-19 pandemic, 510 Turks were arrested for "spreading baseless and provocative messages in social media." Before that, by the end of 2019, Turkey had banned access to 408,494 web sites, 7,000 Twitter accounts, 40,000 tweets, 10,000 YouTube videos and 6,200 Facebook accounts.

Erdoğan might sit down and ask himself: Why do the youths whom he wanted to make "devout" want to flee their Muslim country and live in "infidel" lands?...

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Seeker on Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:29 pm

Hey David,

Getting pretty dicey out there these days. Things are aligning from multiple angles. In all these years never have I been concerned as now. Libya is about in place. Cyprus also. War between Israel, USA, and Iran imminent. Plagues throughout the earth. And soon signs in the heavens. Without going deep in details; I have felt from scripture that a large planet/asteroid smacks into the sun or travels between the sun and earth.

Rev 8:6  And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound. 
Rev 8:7  The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. 
Rev 8:8  And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; 
Rev 8:9  And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed. 
Rev 8:10  And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; 
Rev 8:11  And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter. 
Rev 8:12  And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise. 


That is about the only thing that can explain all the verses above. I particularly find a third of the day and nights missing, part of Rev 8:12 interesting. 1/3 part of the sun was smitten.

Rev 8:12  AndG2532 theG3588 fourthG5067 angelG32 sounded,G4537 andG2532 theG3588 third partG5154 of theG3588 sunG2246 was smitten,G4141 andG2532 theG3588 third partG5154 of theG3588 moon,G4582 andG2532 theG3588 third partG5154 of theG3588 stars;G792 so asG2443 theG3588 third partG5154 of themG846 was darkened,G4654 andG2532 theG3588 dayG2250 shoneG5316 notG3361 for a third partG5154 of it,G848 andG2532 theG3588 nightG3571 likewise.G3668 

smitten,G4141
πλήσσω
plēssō
place'-so
Apparently another form of G4111 (through the idea of flattening out); to pound, that is, (figuratively) to inflict with (calamity): - smite. Compare G5180.
Total KJV occurrences: 1


It's as if the sun takes a direct hit. G5180 means smite,beat,strike,wound. I find that hard to imagine but it could fit. Or a planet/asteroid passes between the sun and earth. If it were big enough to block 1/3 of the sun it would create chaos on the earths magnetic field/poles not to mention tides and storms.

Luk 21:25  And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 
Luk 21:26  Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 

Rev 6:13  And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 
Rev 6:14  And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 
Rev 6:15  And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 

Rev 16:8  And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. 
Rev 16:9  And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

Isa 30:26  Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound. 
Isa 30:27  Behold, the name of the LORD cometh from far, burning with his anger, and the burden thereof is heavy: his lips are full of indignation, and his tongue as a devouring fire:

Men will know what's coming before it gets here. We have the capability to track large asteroids so would know what was heading our way.

Isa 13:9  Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. 
 
Isa 13:13  Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

Isa 24:19  The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. 
Isa 24:20  The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.


The earth will be moved out of her place reel to and fro as a drunkard. Maybe that knocks us into a different orbit changing the length of day and night. The only thing that really fits all those scriptures is a massive asteroid storm with some huge planet size objects. Not sure if anyone else has noticed but I have been seeing lots of stories about a massive asteroid storm the earth is entering currently and rumors of a large impact likely or known. This past week we had one wiz by at ~28,000 miles from earth and a 85 foot one just on the other side of the moon. Several more large ones approaching. I had started a study on the subject but just wanted to lay it out all together here in the Turkey thread. The timing of us entering this asteroid field and the timing of so many other things currently makes this the closest point to lining up end time fulfillment that we have ever seen. Perhaps this all passes and life goes on but I am not that sure. You know how conservative I have been over the years about timing. Count this as my first red flag concerning timing.

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Seeker on Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:00 pm

Hi Ready1,

If you would like to explain why you believe that Armageddon and Ezekiel's war are one and the same, I will be glad to listen. I may even make an occasional comment or ask an occasional question.


Eze 39:25  Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name; 
Eze 39:26  After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid. 
Eze 39:27  When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations; 

Eze 39:28  Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there. 
Eze 39:29  Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.


When does God not hide His face from Israel and pour His spirit out upon the house of Israel? Also who could touch Israel after they know He is their God and He has returned Israel to the land? If they were attacked after that point what good does God pouring His spirit out upon the house of Israel do? When do they dwell safely in the land and none are afraid? When does God gather them into their own land out of their enemies lands and He is sanctified in the sight of many nations? If you can find a time in scripture that matches those conditions prior to the end of Armageddon I would definitely be interested in seeing them? I have looked for them.

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:13 am

Seeker wrote: Perhaps this all passes and life goes on but I am not that sure. You know how conservative I have been over the years about timing. Count this as my first red flag concerning timing.

Peace,
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Hi Seeker. Good to hear from you. I too am conservative on timing, current events lead me to believe we may be on a threshold of something big regarding Prophecy. World wide chaos, probably not as big as we are lead to believe, but notable nonetheless as we are told it is so fueling the fires. I hope things return to normal, rather the new normal, which we will get used to as there are always changes in our timeline. Peace in our time seems a distant dream, rather a hope.

As for Turkey, yup, Libya is a large step up, with Egypt threatening intervention, Sudan with it's dam projects starting to go online, MENA is looking like a setup for choosing sides, which coincidentally is, ahem, Prophetic. I wonder how prepared the Church is for all this.

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Seeker on Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:48 am

Hi David,

Hi Seeker. Good to hear from you. I too am conservative on timing, current events lead me to believe we may be on a threshold of something big regarding Prophecy. World wide chaos, probably not as big as we are lead to believe, but notable nonetheless as we are told it is so fueling the fires.


Yes David great to see you here still plugging along!

Very good evidence it was a military virus so no telling what the end result is there. We have locust plagues, floods, record hurricane season approaching, social unrest...etc. We will enter a famine period soon as well. They were plowing crops under this spring, slaughtering milk cows etc. Migrant farm workers are getting hit hard by the virus so fall crops may also rot in fields. The virus mutated a few months ago making it 4-5 times more contagious. That's what is causing these new mass spreads all around the world. Luckily it hasn't mutated to a more deadly form as of yet. Add to that a asteroid storm we are entering. I have heard that by September the world will know about some large asteroid impact that is heading this way. Of course you can read predictions like that about any time but we are actually entering into a very active asteroid period so I have to at least keep September in mind.

Mat 24:6  And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 
Mat 24:7  For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 
Mat 24:8  All these are the beginning of sorrows.

Rev 6:9  And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 
Rev 6:10  And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 
Rev 6:11  And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. 
Rev 6:12  And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 
Rev 6:13  And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 
Rev 6:14  And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 
Rev 6:15  And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 
Rev 6:16  And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 
Rev 6:17  For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
 

The 6th seal is after the AOD midpoint last 7 years and AC persecution period. So basically Rev 6:9-6:17 covers the last 3 1/2 years. Of course we should notice the AOD and be able to understand where we are at then. But here is what happens prior to Rev 6:9.

Rev 6:1  And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. 
Rev 6:2  And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. 
Rev 6:3  And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. 
Rev 6:4  And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword. 
Rev 6:5  And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. 
Rev 6:6  And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine. 
Rev 6:7  And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see. 
Rev 6:8  And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.


There we see basically what you have been reporting on all of these years. The AC 4th kingdom forming. I would say we are very close to the 1st trumpet/seal/vial judgment, if the timing is where we are suspecting. The trumpet announces it, the seal reveals it, and the vial is the actual judgment poured out. They run in parallel.

As for Turkey, yup, Libya is a large step up, with Egypt threatening intervention, Sudan with it's dam projects starting to go online, MENA is looking like a setup for choosing sides, which coincidentally is, ahem, Prophetic. I wonder how prepared the Church is for all this.


Mena? Sorry haven't been following that closely been researching more than ever. As far as the church goes they are waiting for the rapture and will likely not accept any signs since they think they won't be around to see it. That is why it is such a master plan, they will never accept it has arrived.

2Th_2:3  Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Rev_20:3  And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Rev_20:8  And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev_18:23  And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
Rev 19:20  And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. 
Luk 18:6  And the Lord said, Hear what the unjust judge saith. 
Luk 18:7  And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them? 
Luk 18:8  I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?


Luke 18:8 has always baffled me why would Jesus question whether He will find faith on the earth when He returns since He returns to gather His elect. The AC deceives the masses with miracles...etc. Some world leader...perhaps from Turkey :)...should surface soon to offer the world solutions and wield miracles to prove it. Anyway anyone reading; I don't want a pre-trib debate in this thread but will be glad to discuss it with you in a different thread of your making.

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:03 am

Seeker wrote:
Mena? Sorry haven't been following that closely been researching more than ever. As far as the church goes they are waiting for the rapture and will likely not accept any signs since they think they won't be around to see it. That is why it is such a master plan, they will never accept it has arrived.


MENA, Middle East North Africa. Hunting grounds for the Neo Ottoman empire.


Luk 18:7  And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them? 
Luk 18:8  I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?


Luke 18:8 has always baffled me why would Jesus question whether He will find faith on the earth when He returns since He returns to gather His elect. The AC deceives the masses with miracles...etc. Some world leader...perhaps from Turkey :)...should surface soon to offer the world solutions and wield miracles to prove it. Anyway anyone reading; I don't want a pre-trib debate in this thread but will be glad to discuss it with you in a different thread of your making.

Peace,
Seeker


Will the Lord find Faith, in the true meaning of it. There are many in the Church that claim to have Faith, but...

Mat 7:21-23 ¶ “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

“Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’

“And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’


Jesus's own words, He never knew them. Pretty serious about this, He does not know them at all, and off they go away from Him.

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Exit40 on Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:13 am

WORLD NEWS AUGUST 2, 2020 / 7:32 AM / UPDATED A DAY AGO
Algerian leader secures fugitive officer with Erdogan call, source says
Lamine Chikhi


ALGIERS (Reuters) - Algeria’s president phoned his Turkish counterpart last month to secure the return of a fugitive military official who fled Algeria days after its powerful army chief died in December, a top Algerian security source said.

Guermit Bounouira was handed over to Algerian security officials in Turkey on Thursday, accused of leaking military secrets, and will face a military judge on Monday in Blida prison southwest of Algiers, the source told Reuters.

Turkish officials were not immediately available to comment on Sunday, which is not a working day in Turkey. A lawyer for Bounouira was not immediately available for comment.

Turkey’s surrender of Bounouira to Algerian authorities underscores the importance Ankara attaches to its relationship with Algeria, a powerful neighbour of Libya where Turkish forces have intervened in the civil war....

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Re: Turkey : Part Four

Postby Seeker on Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:41 am

Hi David,

Jesus's own words, He never knew them. Pretty serious about this, He does not know them at all, and off they go away from Him.


Luk 18:8  I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

Interesting point you make. I have always looked at it from the DOTL perspective. Look up your redemption draws nigh. As in those left would all be solid Christians. But looking again with your perspective in mind, it is like I will avenge them even though they are undeserving. That actually makes a lot of sense compared to this scripture.

Eze 36:22  Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went. 
Eze 36:23  And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes. 
Eze 36:24  For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. 
Eze 36:25  Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 
Eze 36:26  A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 
Eze 36:27  And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. 
Eze 36:28  And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
 


Eze 39:27  When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations; 
Eze 39:28  Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there. 
Eze 39:29  Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.


God does it for His names sake not the ones He is avenging. These verses parallel Eze 39 account of when God walks with Israel in their land and has poured His spirit out upon Israel after defeating the armies of Armageddon. It makes sense that would apply to Christians as well. Thanks for your insight.

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