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it would be like the pot calling the kettle black.
stevesherri wrote:That didn't sound like the Glenn Beck on CNN. Is he wishy-washy all the time on Fox, or is he that way for Osteen ?
runner4jesus wrote::alrighty: Too bad, someone from YouTube removed that video with Glen Beck and Joel Osteen interviewing above. I would have loved to see it.
ObjectsAppearCloser wrote:My friend that's why it's called deception-some truths mixed in with lies. Don't get fooled with the few things that seem "alright."
Joel is preaching another gospel!
Joel Osteen took over for his father John Osteen when John passed away in 1999. Even though John Osteen insisted that God told him he was going to preach into his 90s, he professed healing on his death bed to no avail. He told his parishioners that God was going to give him new body parts and that he was going to be healed. He passed away against his own beliefs that he would not for years to come.
Joel took over the Ministry even though he readily admits that he did not want to. His love was for TV production and marketing, but he felt he had no choice but to step into the pulpit after his father's demise.
Joel's teaching are nothing short of sweet bread for the pew sitters. He admits that he does not want to talk about anything negative. Sin, hell, God's wrath onto the unbelievers at the end time are not part of his vocabulary. He admits that he just wants people to feel good and to feel good about themselves. The sad part of this is that he then should have become a counselor not a preacher.
To be a success in marketing you have to know where people itch and scratch it. Or, you have to create a desire in them by creating a hunger for something they currently do not have nor formerly knew they needed. All commercials can be condensed down to one of these two truths.
So to become a mega-church a pastor has to make church relevant. He has to give the people what they want, something that soothes that spiritual itch. In order to be a “success” (i.e. large masses of people and money) pastors must preach unchallenging messages that uplift rather than convict. He must pander to the lowest common denominator and make sure that whatever is taught does not offend anymore at anytime. What we are seeing is really nothing new, it is a simply fulfillment of 2Ti 4:3-4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
This is exactly where multitudes of people are spiritually today. The above text also helps explain the phenomena of people like Robert Schuller, Rick Warren, Bill Hybels and now, Joel Osteen.
Osteen goes on to say that “I find today that people are not looking for theology.” Well that is obvious because if they were they would not find any sound theology at Lakewood ! Although he does not reveal to the readers where he found this astonishing fact out, it appears the folks he has talked to have no interest in theology.
Lest you think me a bit harsh let me remind you that theology simply means “the knowledge of God.” In essence Osteen has said that people are really not interested in learning about God. Somehow (undoubtedly due to his lack of biblical education) he has made a disconnect between knowing the God of the Bible via sound biblical theology and “knowing how to live.”
tillenterprises wrote:ObjectsAppearCloser wrote:My friend that's why it's called deception-some truths mixed in with lies. Don't get fooled with the few things that seem "alright."
Joel is preaching another gospel!
I understand and appreciate your concern, and I know that Jesus is ONLY way to salvation. My point is that I see way to many so-called Christians walking around looking depressed, broke, and hopeless all the time (aka my sister in law). How does that provide a good witness of our Lord? While we all have trying times and situations, we should project an attitude of faith at all times, so we can help and encourage others who are hurting to lay their concerns on the Lord and lead them to know that Jesus loves them and cares about them, and that He died for them. You don't draw people to you by looking suicidal all the time! That's something we can learn from Osteen, and I wish more pastors would be more encouraging once in awhile. Also, the show you see on TV is not the complete service at Lakewood. From what I see, they do pray the sinner's prayer and profess Jesus as Lord, and their worship team is great. I understand that when you watch the TV show that doesn't come out as strongly as it should, and there ARE things that I wish Osteen would talk about more. Use discernment, but also don't completely condemn people as false prophets without looking at everything. I will continue to pray for discernment about Osteen, but until I hear him come out with a doctrine directly contradicting the Word, I will continue to use what I can from him, as well as from here, Hal Lindsey, Hagee, etc.
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