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lambslave wrote:Although some commentators on this passage have suggested that the rider of the white horse here is the Antichrist; such a suggestion fails because the color of the horse is white. The Lord, not the rider, is the one who chose to tell John that the horse is white. If He wanted to communicate the idea of an Antichrist. he would have portrayed the rider as we see portrayed in 13:11, and riding a black or red horse; certainly not white.
We see today, what are apparently the results of the breaking of the first seal.
A world leader possessing great military strength, representing the country which is the home base of Christian missions, used his crown to send his army (bow) to the modern remnant of ancient Babylon (Iraq). His goal, ostensibly, was to capture weapons of mass destruction. He failed. We await the second seal.
U.S. and Iraqi officials are debating the timeline and magnitude of an American withdrawal, with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki pushing for a complete withdrawal by 2011.
Although some commentators on this passage have suggested that the rider of the white horse here is the Antichrist; such a suggestion fails because the color of the horse is white. The Lord, not the rider, is the one who chose to tell John that the horse is white. If He wanted to communicate the idea of an Antichrist. he would have portrayed the rider as we see portrayed in 13:11, and riding a black or red horse; certainly not white.
We see today, what are apparently the results of the breaking of the first seal.
A world leader possessing great military strength, representing the country which is the home base of Christian missions, used his crown to send his army (bow) to the modern remnant of ancient Babylon (Iraq). His goal, ostensibly, was to capture weapons of mass destruction. He failed. We await the second seal.
Pretzelogical wrote:Dougg - I missed why May 14, 2011?
lambslave wrote:In order for the white-horse rider to portray antichrist as you suggest, the rider would have to be in conflict with the horse (as anichrist is with righteousness). The riders wih the Lord 19:14 are also seen on white horses.
lambslave wrote: Those with the Lord in 19:14 are also on white horses. White cannot mean "righteous" in one place in Rev and unrighteous or "deceit" in another. Such a hermaneutic has resulted in the chaos we have today in this book. And some very reputable men whom I know and respect insist this is the antichrist.
In both cases the riders wear diadems.
lambslave wrote:You are right, I was carlesss and wrong. The rider on the white horse in Rev 6:1 is given a στέφανος as we see beow. Sorry. Please forgive me. In my memory it was a diadem, I should have verified it.
καὶ ἐδόθη αὐτῳ̂ στέφανος
And of all things the sorce of my name! My mother turned over in her gave.
lambslave wrote:The crown does not make a case for deception. Who, in the CONTEXT, would he be deceiving, how, why?
(1Jo 5:4 NASB) For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world--our faith.
(1Jo 5:5 NASB) Who is the one who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?
(Rev 2:7 NASB) 'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will grant to eat of the tree of life which is in the Paradise of God.'
(Rev 2:11 NASB) 'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt by the second death.'
(Rev 2:17 NASB) 'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, to him I will give some of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, and a new name written on the stone which no one knows but he who receives it.'
(Rev 2:26 NASB) 'He who overcomes, and he who keeps My deeds until the end, to him I will give authority over the nations;
(Rev 3:5 NASB) 'He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
(Rev 3:12 NASB) 'He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name.
(Rev 3:21 NASB) 'He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
(Rev 21:7 NASB) "He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son.
Stephen, are you saying the rider of the white horse is a person or a nation or the saints of all the earth?
...ls: YES
lambslave wrote:crmann, Please comment: All uses of the color white in the Revelation denote righteousness, righteous. The color is always directly or indirectly associated with the Lord or saints. The rider didn't say he rode a white horse. God is telling the story and God is not being deceptive. God is the one who tells us that this rider rides the same kind of horse that the Lord rides. The nature and direction of this horse is righteous. If we call the white horse false righteousness, then white loses its meaning and anything goes in the symbols of this book (pretty much how it is today--I'm sorry Lord, I can't convince them. Help me.). Yes, this rider carries the wrong weapon, the bow, to accomplish a righteous goal. This rider has experienced a recent victory and received recognition. Peace reigns on earth; but it will soon be taken away by the rider on the red horse.
When Paul wrote to the Thess (2 thess 2:3) he said apostacy comes first then the man of sin.
I see more an apostate christian leader trying to do the right thing.
lambslave wrote:i will be at the hospital today. my daughhter may have cancer LS
Revelation 6:1-8
The First Seal—Rider on White Horse
1 Then I saw when the Lamb broke one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures saying as with a voice of thunder, “Come.”
2 I looked, and behold, a white horse, and he who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer.
The Second Seal—War
3 When He broke the second seal, I heard the second living creature saying, “Come.”
4 And another, a red horse, went out; and to him who sat on it, it was granted to take peace from the earth, and that men would slay one another; and a great sword was given to him.
The Third Seal—Famine
5 When He broke the third seal, I heard the third living creature saying, “Come.” I looked, and behold, a black horse; and he who sat on it had a pair of scales in his hand.
6 And I heard something like a voice in the center of the four living creatures saying, “A quart of wheat for a denarius, and three quarts of barley for a denarius; and do not damage the oil and the wine.”
The Fourth Seal—Death
7 When the Lamb broke the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, “Come.”
8 I looked, and behold, an ashen horse; and he who sat on it had the name Death; and Hades was following with him. Authority was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by the wild beasts of the earth.
Jeremiah 27:6-11
6 “Now I have given all these lands into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, My servant, and I have given him also the wild animals of the field to serve him.
7 “All the nations shall serve him and his son and his grandson until the time of his own land comes; then many nations and great kings will make him their servant.
8 “It will be, that the nation or the kingdom which will not serve him, Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, and which will not put its neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon, I will punish that nation with the sword, with famine and with pestilence,” declares the Lord, “until I have destroyed it by his hand.
9 “But as for you, do not listen to your prophets, your diviners, your dreamers, your soothsayers or your sorcerers who speak to you, saying, ‘You will not serve the king of Babylon.’
10 “For they prophesy a lie to you in order to remove you far from your land; and I will drive you out and you will perish.
11 “But the nation which will bring its neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon and serve him, I will let remain on its land,” declares the Lord, “and they will till it and dwell in it.” ’ ”
Deuteronomy 7:17-24
17 “If you should say in your heart, ‘These nations are greater than I; how can I dispossess them?’
18 you shall not be afraid of them; you shall well remember what the Lord your God did to Pharaoh and to all Egypt:
19 the great trials which your eyes saw and the signs and the wonders and the mighty hand and the outstretched arm by which the Lord your God brought you out. So shall the Lord your God do to all the peoples of whom you are afraid.
20 “Moreover, the Lord your God will send the hornet against them, until those who are left and hide themselves from you perish.
21 “You shall not dread them, for the Lord your God is in your midst, a great and awesome God.
22 “The Lord your God will clear away these nations before you little by little; you will not be able to put an end to them quickly, for the wild beasts would grow too numerous for you.
23 “But the Lord your God will deliver them before you, and will throw them into great confusion until they are destroyed.
24 “He will deliver their kings into your hand so that you will make their name perish from under heaven; no man will be able to stand before you until you have destroyed them.
Ecclesiastes 3:17-18
17 I said to myself, “God will judge both the righteous man and the wicked man,” for a time for every matter and for every deed is there.
18 I said to myself concerning the sons of men, “God has surely tested them in order for them to see that they are but beasts.”
Daniel 7:3-8
3 “And four great beasts were coming up from the sea, different from one another.
4 “The first was like a lion and had the wings of an eagle. I kept looking until its wings were plucked, and it was lifted up from the ground and made to stand on two feet like a man; a human mind also was given to it.
5 “And behold, another beast, a second one, resembling a bear. And it was raised up on one side, and three ribs were in its mouth between its teeth; and thus they said to it, ‘Arise, devour much meat!’
6 “After this I kept looking, and behold, another one, like a leopard, which had on its back four wings of a bird; the beast also had four heads, and dominion was given to it.
7 “After this I kept looking in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrifying and extremely strong; and it had large iron teeth. It devoured and crushed and trampled down the remainder with its feet; and it was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns.
8 “While I was contemplating the horns, behold, another horn, a little one, came up among them, and three of the first horns were pulled out by the roots before it; and behold, this horn possessed eyes like the eyes of a man and a mouth uttering great boasts.
Romans 13:1
1 Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God.
Titus 3:1
1 Remind them to be subject to rulers, to authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good deed,
1 Peter 2:13
13 Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human institution, whether to a king as the one in authority,
Mttw633 wrote:Do we go to the root of the word in greek to find out, or do we do as Mark suggests and go to the hebrew? Do you have a link to the use of toxon to decribe bow from Genesis? That would be helpful.
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