Judas the Misunderstood

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Judas the Misunderstood

Postby reedax on Fri Jan 13, 2006 1:27 am

Judas the Misunderstood<br>
From Richard Owen, in Rome<br>
Vatican moves to clear reviled disciple’s name<br>
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JUDAS ISCARIOT, the disciple who betrayed Jesus with a kiss, is to be given a makeover by Vatican scholars. <br>
The proposed “rehabilitation” of the man who was paid 30 pieces of silver to identify Jesus to Roman soldiers in the Garden of Gethsemane, comes on the ground that he was not deliberately evil, but was just “fulfilling his part in God’s plan”. <br>
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Christians have traditionally blamed Judas for aiding and abetting the Crucifixion, and his name is synonymous with treachery. According to St Luke, Judas was “possessed by Satan”. <br>
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Now, a campaign led by Monsignor Walter Brandmuller, head of the Pontifical Committee for Historical Science, is aimed at persuading believers to look kindly at a man reviled for 2,000 years. <br>
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Mgr Brandmuller told fellow scholars it was time for a “re-reading” of the Judas story. He is supported by Vittorio Messori, a prominent Catholic writer close to both Pope Benedict XVI and the late John Paul II. <br>
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Signor Messori said that the rehabilitation of Judas would “resolve the problem of an apparent lack of mercy by Jesus toward one of his closest collaborators”. <br>
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He told La Stampa that there was a Christian tradition that held that Judas was forgiven by Jesus and ordered to purify himself with “spiritual exercises” in the desert. <br>
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In scholarly circles, it has long been unfashionable to demonise Judas and Catholics in Britain are likely to welcome Judas’s rehabilitation. <br>
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Father Allen Morris, Christian Life and Worship secretary for the Catholic Bishops of England and Wales, said: “If Christ died for all — is it possible that Judas too was redeemed through the Master he betrayed?” The “rehabilitation” of Judas could help the Pope’s drive to improve Christian-Jewish relations, which he has made a priority of his pontificate. <br>
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Some Bible experts say Judas was “a victim of a theological libel which helped to create anti Semitism” by forming an image of him as a “sinister villain” prepared to betray for money. <br>
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In many medieval plays and paintings Judas is portrayed with a hooked nose and exaggerated Semitic features. In Dante’s Inferno, Judas is relegated to the lowest pits of Hell, where he is devoured by a three-headed demon. <br>
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The move to clear Judas’s name coincides with plans to publish the alleged Gospel of Judas for the first time in English, German and French. Though not written by Judas, it is said to reflect the belief among early Christians — now gaining ground in the Vatican — that in betraying Christ Judas was fulfilling a divine mission, which led to the arrest and Crucifixion of Jesus and hence to man’s salvation. <br>
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Mgr Brandmuller said that he expected “no new historical evidence” from the supposed gospel, which had been excluded from the canon of accepted Scripture. <br>
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But it could “serve to reconstruct the events and context of Christ’s teachings as they were seen by the early Christians”. This included that Jesus had always preached “forgiveness for one’s enemies”. <br>
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Some Vatican scholars have expressed concern over the reconsideration of Judas. Monsignor Giovanni D’Ercole, a Vatican theologian, said it was “dangerous to re-evaulate Judas and muddy the Gospel accounts by reference to apocryphal writings. This can only create confusion in believers.” The Gospels tell how Judas later returned the 30 pieces of silver — his “blood money” — and hanged himself, or according to the Acts of the Apostles, “fell headlong and burst open so that all his entrails burst out”. <br>
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john 16: 2-4<br>
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...a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God. They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me. I have told you this, so that when the time comes you will remember that I warned you...<br>
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If they think that killing Jesus was a 'divine mission', how much easier will it be to accept that killing his followers is a 'divine mission' as well? <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p203.ezboard.com/bherbsdiscussionboard.showUserPublicProfile?gid=reedax@herbsdiscussionboard>reedax</A>  <IMG HEIGHT=10 WIDTH=10 SRC="http://www.davidstuff.com/bagdad-bob1.jpg" BORDER=0> at: 1/13/06 3:38 am<br></i>
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Re: Judas the Misunderstood

Postby BeTheMoon on Fri Jan 13, 2006 10:12 am

This is very disappointing. What's the point in Christianity if evil and good don't matter? I think that's the global message: "What's the point in Christianity?" <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Judas the Misunderstood

Postby sparklymomma on Fri Jan 13, 2006 10:58 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Mat 26:23 And he answered and said, He that dippeth [his] hand with me in the dish, the same shall betray me. <br>
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Mat 26:24 The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born. </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <br>
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Mat 26:25 Then Judas, which betrayed him, answered and said, Master, is it I? He said unto him, Thou hast said.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br>
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Sounds to me like Jesus said Judas would have been better off never being born, not sure what can be misunderstood.<br>
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Kind of Sounds Like Preparation

Postby nonymouse on Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:26 pm

Kind of sounds like preparation for the revealing of the false prophet (i.e., diminish, to the greatest extent possible, the ability of the Body of Christ to discern good from evil, and begin by "remaking" the commonly held perception of the individual who most personifies evil in scripture).<br>
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Shalom, <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Kind of Sounds Like Preparation

Postby reedax on Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:54 pm

This is more of people calling evil good, and good evil. This is happening so much these days. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Judas the Misunderstood

Postby sparklymomma on Sat Jan 14, 2006 3:51 pm

Poor Judas...maybe his parents mistreated him, or wouldn't buy him the cool sandals to wear to school.....<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :dramaqueen --><img src=http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a184/halfcent/drama.gif ALT=":dramaqueen"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p><!--EZCODE CENTER START--><div style="text-align:center"><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.geocities.com/sparklymomma/snowman.txt"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--></div><!--EZCODE CENTER END--></p><i></i>
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Re: Judas the Misunderstood

Postby Budge2 on Sun Jan 15, 2006 9:59 am

Sad isnt it.<br>
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I posted this on Catholic boards and with the exceptions of a few Trads, I found people who defended Judas.<br>
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I figure some of them in Rome would love to think Judas got in then they may have a chance..<br>
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"SATAN THE MISUNDERSTOOD!" coming to a theater nea

Postby Moses JJN on Sun Jan 15, 2006 11:47 am

I can see it now, Mel Gibson's new movie, winner of 8 academy awards, "SATAN THE MISUNDERSTOOD!"<br>
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This is all part of a deeper devilish game, promoting the subtle notion that no one really needs to repent because all your sins were predestined by YHWH for His purposes, and therefore no one is really responsible for their actions.<br>
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If there's no such thing as sin; what do I need a Savior for?<br>
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The big picture is that these doctrines are designed by Satan to help people have intellectual re-assurance that they are doing the right thing by rejecting the Messiah.<br>
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Which is the "sin is not really sin anymore" spirit of LAWLESSNESS Scripture says will prevail in the last days.<br>
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Re: Judas the Misunderstood

Postby Abiding in His Word on Sun Jan 15, 2006 1:33 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>though not written by Judas, it is said to reflect the belief among early Christians — now gaining ground in the Vatican — that in betraying Christ Judas was fulfilling a divine mission, which led to the arrest and Crucifixion of Jesus and hence to man’s salvation.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>
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Sounds like someone is trying to make Judas a "hero" of sorts. Like we should be grateful to him for making salvation happen!<br>
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Re: Judas the Misunderstood

Postby Moses JJN on Sun Jan 15, 2006 6:20 pm

Pastoral Search Report<br>
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We do not have a happy report to give. We’ve not been able to find a suitable candidate for this church, though we have one promising prospect still. We do appreciate all the suggestions from the church members, and we’ve followed up each one with interviews or calling at least three references. The following is our confidential report on the present candidates.<br>
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Adam: Good man but problems with his wife. Also one reference told of how his wife and he enjoy walking nude in the woods. <br>
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Noah: Former pastorate of 120 years with no converts. Prone to unrealistic building projects. <br>
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Abraham: Though the references reported wife-swapping, the facts seem to show he never slept with another man’s wife, but did offer to share his own wife with another man. <br>
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Joseph: A big thinker, but a braggart, believes in dream-interpreting, and has a prison record. <br>
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Moses: A modest and meek man, but poor communicator, even stuttering at times. Sometimes blows his stack and acts rashly. Some say he left an earlier church over a murder charge. <br>
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David: The most promising leader of all until we discovered the affair he had with his neighbor’s wife. <br>
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Solomon: Great preacher but our parsonage would never hold all those wives. <br>
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Elijah: Prone to depression-collapses under pressure. <br>
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Elisha: Reported to have lived with a single widow while at his former church. <br>
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Hosea: A tender and loving pastor but our people could never handle his wife’s occupation. <br>
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Deborah: Female. <br>
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Jeremiah: Emotionally unstable, alarmist, negative, always lamenting things, and reported to have taken a long trip to bury his underwear on the bank of foreign river. <br>
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Isaiah: On the fringe? Claims to have seen angels in church. Has trouble with his language. <br>
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Jonah: Refused God’s call into ministry until he was forced to obey by getting swallowed up by a great fish. He told us the fish later spit him out on the shore near here. We hung up. <br>
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Amos: Too backward and unpolished. With some seminary training he might have promise, but has a hang-up against wealthy people. Might fit in better in a poor congregation. <br>
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John: Says he is a Baptist, but definitely doesn’t dress like one. Has slept in the outdoors for months on end, has a weird diet, and provokes denominational leaders. <br>
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Peter: Too blue collar. Has a bad temper—even has been known to curse. Had a big run-in with Paul in Antioch. Aggressive, but a loose cannon. <br>
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Paul: Powerful CEO type leader and fascinating preacher. However, short on tact, unforgiving with younger ministers, harsh and has been known to preach all night. <br>
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Timothy: Too young. <br>
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Jesus: Has had popular times, but once when his church grew to 5000 he managed to offend them all and this church dwindled down to twelve people. Seldom stays in one place very long. And, of course, he’s single. <br>
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Judas: His references are solid. A steady plodder. Conservative. Good connections. Knows how to handle money. We’re inviting him to preach this Sunday. Possibilities here. <br>
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Re: Judas the Misunderstood

Postby Roberin80 on Tue Jan 17, 2006 11:48 am

Just because God new what was in his heart, and used him to fulfill prophecy, does not mean that Judas did not have a choice. Knowing what we will do, and making us do it are two different things. Therefore Judas is responsible for his actions, as we are all responsible for ours. He was still able to repent, as Peter did after denying the Lord... However, in turning Jesus in as a common theif he has shown that he truly did not believe Jesus, was who He was, and killed himself rather than repenting after he did the evil deed. Committed sin and died in it unforgiven, unfortunatley just like a lot of people.<br>
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With Love,<br>
Robert <p></p><i></i>
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