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plalgum wrote:We need someone who speaks Latin to watch and comment on this. Anybody know of someone?
mark s wrote: When you go to the passage in Isaiah where the Latin Vulgate uses this word, it's actually talking about the king of Babylon, and is used in an adjectival sense.
mark s wrote:Lucifer" means "light bringer".
mark s wrote:The passage is often applied to Satan ("adversary", the nominative commonly used for the devil in the Bible). But that does not mean we should lift this Latin word out and somehow make it to be Satan's "name".
The video is misleading. VERY misleading. Lucifer in Latin means "bringer of light", "morning star", "light bringer" etc.. and is used to describe not only Satan, but God and Jesus as well. The word Lucifer appears in the bible many times, and several of those times it clearly isn't referring to satan but to Jesus/God.
Later Christian tradition came to use the Latin word for "morning star", lucifer, as a proper name ("Lucifer") for the devil; as he was before his fall. As a result, "'Lucifer' has become a by-word for Satan/the Devil in the church and in popular literature", as in Dante Alighieri's Inferno and John Milton's Paradise Lost. However, the Latin word never came to be used almost exclusively, as in English, in this way, and was applied to others also, including Jesus.[
Lucifer didn't always stand for the devil. Lucifer is a descriptive word (in latin) not a proper name. The devil's name is Satan, Lucifer, a description, means light bringer and is used to refer to any celestial body or bright spiritual being, including Jesus.
That video is either a intentional or a non-intentional means to deceive and get Christians fighting each other. Satans name is Satan, not Lucifer. Lucifer is a adjective to describe a bright object. The prayer in Latin at the beginning of the video, properly translated to English goes like this:
"His flame "bringing light" to His own creation..."
"May I say, O "morning star", who knows no setting..."
One cannot translate all but one word from one language to another. If one is going to translate, translate 100% of the words, rather than the one to start controversy. This is deception and intended to cause fights. Once again, in the early church "Lucifer" was used to describe both Jesus/God and Satan due to the fact that the bible describes and even calls all 3 as beings shining of light. God emanates/radiates light, Jesus is the light of the world and he too radiates light, Satan was a bright angel. The adjective "Lucifer" would be used to describe all 3 in Latin.
The problem is that at some point the church decided to use "Lucifer" a adjective as a proper name in place of Satan. And that's why the confusion if you ever read the bible in Latin or hear a Latin prayer whenever a being of light or bright celestial body is referred to.
plalgum wrote:Still say the Pope has the spirit of Antichrist
The cross was God's failure
Dangerous to have a personal relationship with Jesus!
And the abomination of his ecumenical movement.
lepter wrote:So when it says "oh how you have fallen from heaven oh lucifer, son of the morning" , who is he talking about? Just trying to understand.
kirthril wrote:lepter wrote:So when it says "oh how you have fallen from heaven oh lucifer, son of the morning" , who is he talking about? Just trying to understand.
I didn't see that line in this video...
and as I stated in quotation above, in the Latin language, lucifer is an adjective to describe something bright and biblically can refer to God, Jesus, Satan, angels, stars...
Satan's name is Satan.
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