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ToledoDebbie wrote:Wondering where everyone is?? No one has posted on the main "News" forum since March 1st. I don't think I have ever seen that long a time when nothing was considered "newsworthy". I have hesitated to post there, because I wanted to see how long it would take for others to start posting again. There are a handful of others still posting in this thread (Whatever) and the prophecy debate sections, but, even that traffic is way down. What does this mean?
shorttribber wrote:I do think this year will explain a lot though...and there will be a greater amount of activity on this forum as we go further into this year. It's going to get very interesting I think.
SueAnn wrote:shorttribber wrote:I do think this year will explain a lot though...and there will be a greater amount of activity on this forum as we go further into this year. It's going to get very interesting I think.
SuAnn wrote: Could you expand on this, please?
brett wrote:Shorttribber - if we get to November without any AOD - will you then consider alternative views on prophecy?
The reason I ask is I still disagree with this "Dome on the Rock" theory, just want to know how long until this theory will be clear one way or the other for you?
brett wrote:Shorttribber I have many things to question regarding this theory........right now I will ask just one question.
Timeline wise - when do (have) the events of the 7 seals of Revelation take (taken) place in this "Dome of the Rock" theory? Can we please try to have a brief back and forth conversation, in a kind of "point form" fashion. I don't really have time for an in-depth discussion. I'll pretty much tell you straight that I cannot accept certain things and move on, rather than debating it. I just want to make it clear to you what points of this theory I have problems with.
God Bless
shorttribber wrote:Ok Brett,
It's good that you recognize that the Seals can logically Overlay the Trumpets.
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. (Seal 1)
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. (Seal 1)
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: (Seal 2) see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: (Seal 2) and there shall be famines, and pestilences, (Seal 3 & 4) and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake (Seal 5).
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
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29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: (Seal 6)
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31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (Rapture - still 6th Seal)
brett wrote:The important thing imho is that people prepare for WW3 (hard times). The dome of the rock theory muddies the waters of the coming world war in the Seals - which means people may not expect nor prepare for WW3.
Even unbelievers sense WW3 is coming, look at China, look at the world, Jesus says nation will rise against nation - it's CLEARLY coming and important and around the same time frame of the AOD. So shorttribber, that's why I'm starting to hit down the "dome of the rock" theory. I see it has this big problem - of causing believers to NOT anticipate WW3 - that will hurt believers.
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brett wrote:Because imho WW3 precedes the AOD.......that's why. Do you recall just before the AOD the Anti-Christ's forces first surround Jerusalem and then invade it? That's the last battle of WW3 - of the Anti-Christs conquest.......his final military move just before the AOD is surrounding and invading Jerusalem.
The World War starts long before the AOD. You are correct regarding the AC war on the saints begins after the AOD, yes I agree - that's the Mark of the Beast time. But before the AC can directly attack the saints he has to establish global control and power over everything.......that's why there needs to be a world war - to settle who controls the planet - who is the AC. That is determined by the nations rising up against nation and war among the nations. That is not a war on the saints - that is a war between the nations. Once the AC has won the war between the nations - he can then wage war on the saints - after the AOD. The AOD is like the moment he becomes VICTOR of WW3.....he is now 100% in control.
It all makes a tonne of sense - that's what the first 4 Seals of revelations are all about - the war among the nations - WW3 - just before the AOD.
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shorttribber wrote:Do you recall just before the AOD the Anti-Christ's forces first surround Jerusalem and then invade it?
shorttribber wrote:SueAnn wrote:shorttribber wrote:I do think this year will explain a lot though...and there will be a greater amount of activity on this forum as we go further into this year. It's going to get very interesting I think.
SuAnn wrote: Could you expand on this, please?
Ok SuAnn,
There has been a lot of interest lately in the "Sign of the Woman" (Rev 12), and for Very Good Reason.
It's not that there is any Rapture prediction on my part...but I've heard the hints from others about that.
That's not the issue, the issue is the Understanding that will be revealed this year I think regarding just What the Dome of the Rock IS and how it will be Front and Center regarding the Coming AOD.
It Will occur There...and probably right around the Time of That Sign, This Year.
Won't be long before the Fake Seven Year Covenant, and the Actual AOD are SEEN...Right around the same Time.
And the Wise Shall Understand, The Readers will Understand.
We can all believe as we choose regarding the End Times and Bible prophecy NOW...but the Point i' m making is this, God is Going to Reveal the Truth to us All, Soon. I Believe This Year will be the Time of that Wonderful Revelation from God to us.
Fake Christians (Tares) and Unbelievers Will Not Understand, Real Christians (Wheat) Will.
shorttribber wrote:I realize that all makes sense to you brett, it's the standard Dispensationalist Future order of events. I believe that order is in error. You have said that you do not want to debate these things, yet that is what you are doing.
We can debate, but what's the point?
shorttribber wrote:What if the War Doesn't start before the AOD brett? Even IF that war did begin before the AOD, it still does not change the Timing of a shorttrib Rapture.
WE need to ALL be ready for a Great tribulation, that's what we need to be prepared for.
shorttribber wrote:According to what scripture or scriptures specifically? The Ref in Luke regarding Christ's mention of "Jerusalem Surrounded by Armies", is that it?
brett wrote:I'm willing to debate it to some extent because I care about the right thing prevailing in the public arena. Because you're zealous to tell people - I am becoming more zealous to express my disagreement and explain to people why - so other people can better judge for themselves. So that's the point.
brett wrote:The down side is it might harm our friendship, I don't want that, but I can't just go my way and forget the matter either.
brett wrote: I will only say things in disagreement while I am certain of an error, if you show me something that takes away that certainty, then I will back off.
brett wrote:We could all question anything with a "what if". I could question you saying "What if the war does happen before the AOD?" I don't think that's going to help much.
brett wrote:I'm not clear on your meaning regarding the timing of a shorttrib rapture.......you will need to explain that more.
brett wrote:ST now for a gentle rebuke. Please let us both NOT categorise each other views as "such n such" or belonging to some group "so n so". Oh you are an "so n so", your views are the standard "so n so"..... Let's both of us not do that to each other please because it gives us a way to dismiss what the other person is saying. We're not going to be able to have a proper discussion if we think we have the other person figured out and we've put them in with a group we already don't respect.
brett wrote:shorttribber wrote:According to what scripture or scriptures specifically? The Ref in Luke regarding Christ's mention of "Jerusalem Surrounded by Armies", is that it?
brett wrot:Yes Luke is one important one. "Luke 21:20And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh."
brett continued: I believe this is talking about the Last Days, the AOD time period.
brett wrote:Zechariah 14: 1-5Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
brett continues: Also talking about the AOD time frame, Anti-Christ forces capture Jerusalem and take control of it, this is Jerusalem being judged by God. Then a couple of months later God's Wrath starts and God fights against the rest of the nations, the Trumpet and Bowl judgements being poured out as Revelation tells us, the time of God's Wrath on the rest of the world. Then it talks about Christ returning to the Mount of Olives with all the saints, and the mountain splitting in two etc.
shorttribber wrote:First, this reference can be applied to both Past and Future Desolations of Jerusalem. And, I belive that it Does apply to Both Past and Future prophecy.
We have the words in Daniel 9:26, that unto the END of the war DesolationS, plural ARE Determined.
Note, the text of Luke says, when Jerusalem is surrounded by Armies, THEN it's Desolation is NEAR.
Note at this point, the Phrase, not in this text exactly, but in several others, "The Abomination that CAUSETH Desolation".
What then is the Cause of the Desolation brett? The Armies (as in Luke)? Or The Nations (as in Zech.)?
No, brett, not Armies and Nations at War. It's the Abomination Itself that Causeth Desolation.
God has used, and Will use many Vehicles , Players and Tools to Fulfill the Desolations Determined, but the Cause itself IS the Abomination Itself.
What Abomination then has Caused all the Desolation against Jerusalem? Rebellion Against God and His Christ/Messiah.
Rebellion Against and Rejection of God, Rebellion Against and Rejection of the Word of God, That's the Abomination that MAKES Desolate (For the Jews Historically and Modern).
With that understanding in mind, the Cause of the 70ad desolation was the Rejection of Messiah, and that occurred BEFORE Jerusalem was surrounded with armies that would end in it's Desolation in 70 ad.
Now, BeCAUSE of That Desolation (in 70ad), time has passed and God has Allowed ANOTHER Abomination to Stand on his Holy mount.
More on that later....(that Dome is in Open Rebellion Against God, and a Denial and Rejection of Christ His Son).
brett wrote:Regarding at what point do I consider the AOD happens in Zechariah 14: 1-5
Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. {HERE} -
brett wrote:At that exact spot. After Jerusalem is invaded (captured) then the Anti-Christ has control of Jerusalem and then he does the AOD thing, he stands on the temple mount and declares himself God to the world.
shorttribber wrote:Zechariah 14: 1-5 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. {HERE} -
brett wrote:That Zechariah scripture is Old Testament prophecy. Its a very summarised (brief and lacking detail) prophecy, it moves from Jerusalem being invaded to the Millennial reign of Christ VERY quickly, so it does not surprise me at all that specifics about the AOD or Temple are not mentioned.
brett wrote: the AC will do something on the Temple Mount to fulfil the AOD event.
shorttribber wrote:I agree regarding how the text covers many large sections of time. That said, is it not Reasonable that the same text could cover decades rather than years then, as many nations "Gather Against" Jerusalem, rather than just a few years?
shorttribber wrote:Let me add this also. In the same manner that you are able to see a temple or no temple possibility, I am able to see Great war before Or After the AOD.
brett wrote:shorttribber wrote:I agree regarding how the text covers many large sections of time. That said, is it not Reasonable that the same text could cover decades rather than years then, as many nations "Gather Against" Jerusalem, rather than just a few years?
brett said:Its also reasonable to say the text does not cover decades, in fact I think its far more likely its talking more about years than decades.
brett wrote:I see the 7 Seals as persecution by satan. God is always ultimately in control, He allows it, but this is when the saints along with unbelievers suffer together - war affects all of mankind. I see the MOB as satan persecuting the saints via the AC, it is not Gods wrath - it is satan doing this.
brett wrote:I see the 7 Trumpets, the 7 Bowls etc as God's Wrath
brett wrote:I'm assuming you would agree that God's Wrath must come after the AOD.
brett wrote:So then read Revelation and read the detail of each Trumpet and each Bowl being poured out and ask yourself - can all these events occur in 1 month?
brett wrote:75 days after the midpoint - when the sun and moon are darkened and Jesus Christ appears in the clouds
brett wrote: the 2 witnesses will command the Trumpets and the Bowls to happen. The rebellious will hate God and curse Him for it, as is written in Revelations.
brett wrote:the Seals also clearly describe conquest and world war and the effects of war.....and are chronologically followed by the Trumpets and Bowls
shorttribber wrote:<snip>
The Trumpets can't ( the Trumpets last 3.5 Years IMO)....... but the Bowls can last only One Month.
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Revelation 16:12-16
Sixth Bowl: Euphrates Dried Up
12 Then the sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, so that the way of the kings from the east might be prepared. 13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 "Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame."
16 And they gathered them together to the place called in Hebrew, Armageddon.
NKJV
shorttribber wrote:I think one is more Reasonable than the other. Why do you think it is more likely years, From that Text Alone?
In other words, what in that text Alone makes it more likely to you that only Years are covered in time rather than Decades or Centuries? When I say, "That Text Alone" I'm referring to the setting in the Entire Chapter itself.
shorttribber wrote:The Trumpets can't ( the Trumpets last 3.5 Years IMO)....... but the Bowls can last only One Month.
Will you do the same as you're asking me, to see if you can discover that the Bowls do not Require More than One Month?
shorttribber wrote:The seals describe those things, yes, and more also beside that.
As you should know though, Revelation is not entirely chronological. You do not accept that apparently.
shorttribber wrote:Do you think of the Seven Churches mentioned in Rev were Only Historic, as opposed to Church Types also, or Church Ages? Are they meant to be understood only as Churches that are in the Past Only?
Not trying to send out a new rabbit, I have a reason for the simple yes or no answer.
brett wrote:The phrase "Day of the Lord" is frequently mentioned throughout the bible. Its the well know event of the rapture - that is Christ coming in the clouds, the dead resurrected and we are gathered in the clouds with Christ.
brett wrote:You are correct - I do not accept that Revelations is not Chronological. I believe Revelation can be split into 2 books, like Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are the 4 Gospels and overlap frequently, I believe Revelation can be split into 2 books. From Rev 1-11 and from Rev 12-22. If you split up Revelation in that manner and consider the 2 books like 2 gospels - 2 versions of the same thing - the End Times, then suddenly everything makes sense and fits chronologically.
shorttribber wrote:brett,
The Day of the Lord is mentioned in a much wider range of events than the rapture alone
But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
shorttribber wrote:Ok, lets test the chronology of Rev 12-22
Just quickly...in Rev12 we have the 3.5 years described of great trib, I believe you agree on this.
Then we look only to the next chapter where 42 months is once again mentioned when antichrist is given power to destroy...ok? do we at this place add another 3.5 years, or 42 months to the Great trib? No, we don't.
Therefore, just in this short test...rev12-22 is Not Chronological is it?
brett wrote:Joel is describing the Wrath, its perfectly fine for it to not include the rapture in Joel
For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the Lord come.
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.
Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
brett wrote:Anyway I think I have made the point clear. The Day of the Lord is simply that - a DAY - when Christ returns in great glory and gathers the elect and then pours out His Wrath upon the world. That is ENOUGH - we don't need to try to add more meaning to the "Day of the Lord". Its simple and clear.
brett wrote:When Jesus starts talking about the signs of the end of the Age, from the sentence "Take heed that no man deceive..........nations rising against nations.. etc all the way till the end of this passage.....Jesus is saying when these things he is talking about begin to happen know that the generation alive at this time will see it all happen in their lifetime. It will not be over thousands of years, it will all happen in a short span of time and quickly.
brett wrote:ST the more I look at this stuff the more it is confirmed - the Dome of the Rock theory is not correct. I know that could be a discouragement to you, but do not be discouraged - the process of testing things like this is of great benefit. I know every time I go through this process more light is shred on the matter - its a blessing.
shorttribber wrote:Really, One Singular day? God pours out His Wrath in One Singular Day? I know you have said otherwise, and there is a contradiction then.
shorttribber wrote:Mal 3
1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand
when he appeareth?
Does that last verse sound familiar? Does it sound a little Like "Who shall be Able to Stand"? in Rev 6?
shorttribber wrote:The Day of the Lord AND the many Places that use nearly the same words are meant to be understood together...
Those many places where we see, "In That Day" Is a description also of a Portion of the "Day of the Lord".
The "Day of the Lord" is Not One Singular 24 hour day.....I will add a list of scriptures to prove this later ok?
as for now.... I will add this....
brett wrote:ST, read Malachi 2 to get the correct context
brett wrote:No I do NOT agree. "In that Day" does not always pertain to the "Day of the Lord".....
brett wrote:again you are creating riddles ST.
brett wrote:The phrase "In that Day" simply means - in the same time period of whatever else is being talked about.
brett wrote:ST Isaiah 10 is not about the End Times.
brett wrote:Isaiah 11 does indeed continue on but it's now a prophecy about the coming (birth) of Jesus Christ.
brett wrote:Also ST - the posts are getting a bit long. How about from now on we both deal with shorter sections of scripture in each post......this is getting too time consuming....
brett wrote:brett wrote:No I do NOT agree. "In that Day" does not always pertain to the "Day of the Lord".....
Shorttribber wrote: I disagree completely. Show proof of that and we will see.
brett wrote:There are many examples, just do a search of the bible for the phrase "in that day". I did a search - here are just a few examples.
brett wrote:Exodus 10:28 And Pharaoh said unto him, Get thee from me, take heed to thyself, see my face no more; for in that day thou seest my face thou shalt die.Leviticus 27:23 Then the priest shall reckon unto him the worth of thy estimation, even unto the year of the jubile: and he shall give thine estimation in that day, as a holy thing unto the Lord.
brett wrote:The scriptural proofs you have provided aren't doing much for me ST, sorry about that............
Can you explain in simple logic (without scripture) what the significance of the phrase the "Day of the Lord" actually is then......maybe that will help. Because from my perspective you seem to be complicating a phrase that seems rather straight forward and simple to me.
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shorttribber wrote:brett wrote:The scriptural proofs you have provided aren't doing much for me ST, sorry about that............
Can you explain in simple logic (without scripture) what the significance of the phrase the "Day of the Lord" actually is then......maybe that will help. Because from my perspective you seem to be complicating a phrase that seems rather straight forward and simple to me.
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Ok brett, i'll try.
God, in times past has spoke to us by the prophets in such a way as to inevitably, by Our Terms and Perspective, become somewhat of a "Riddle".
Now, God has done this for many reasons, yet He has not intended to Confuse us, but instead, Humble Us.
He intends to reveal to us what we need to know of "That Day", when He Chooses to do so.
God does not ACT IN TIME as We Understand it, He Reveals to us Eternal Words, and Eternal Principles.
All of the prophets spoke and Acted WITHIN THAT Principle. God gave them Instructions in Agreement with Those Principles.
A good example would be Ezekiel Laying on one side to represent a Span of Time. not only Was it a Type and Shadow, but it was A Message of How God Speaks to us. He speaks in FORMS and TYPES that we Perceive as "Riddles".
2 Peter 3:8 speaks of a "Day" with God is AS a thousand years. This is not Proof that the "Day of the Lord" is a thousand years of course...but the Apostle Peter is showing to us That Principle.
God has shown us that his "Day" of "Visitation" was Not One Day, has He Not? He has shown us that He has Two Advents, Two "Visitations", Two "Comings", yet His First "Coming" was not One Day, but three and a half years.
I gave to you, for your consideration, Malachi 3, and clearly spoke Of That Day as though He should Only Come Once, it Was a "Riddle".
Now, we have His Spirit, but prophecy is yet a "Riddle", intentionally by God, until the time of the End.
I will add more as I am able to.
Blessings to ya
And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
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15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
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21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
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29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:
29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.
30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
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